Witness: Gay Rights 'Second To Preserving The Cherished Social Institution Of Marriage'

LISA LEFF   01/27/10 07:23 PM ET   AP

Gay Marriage Trial

SAN FRANCISCO — The first federal case to decide if the U.S. Constitution prevents states from stopping same-sex weddings came to an anti-climatic break Wednesday after a judge heard nearly 12 days of wide-ranging testimony on the meaning of marriage, the nature of sexual orientation, and the role of religion in shaping attitudes about both.

Attorneys for sponsors of California's Proposition 8 tentatively rested their case after introducing materials from the 2008 election campaign.

They called just two expert witnesses, including David Blankenhorn, president of the New York-based Institute for American Values, who capped the historic proceedings by saying the rights of same-sex couples should come second to preserving the cherished social institution of marriage.

Chief U.S. District Judge Vaughn R. Walker heard the case without a jury and said he will take time to review the evidence before allowing closing arguments, probably in March or April. He has no deadline for reaching a decision.

After testimony ended, Walker came down from the bench and shook hands with both legal teams.

"I just want to take a moment to congratulate you (on) what a good job you've both done," he said, calling it a fascinating case.

His eventual verdict is likely to be appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court.

Throughout the trial, lawyers for the two gay couples who filed the lawsuit seeking to overturn the ballot measure tried to show the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized marriage as a fundamental right and that there is no lawful reason to deny it to gays.

They also argued that Proposition 8, which passed with 52 percent of the vote, was a product of anti-gay prejudice rooted in religion and psychological theories about homosexuality that have long since been discredited.

Plaintiffs' lawyer David Boies said Walker had been provided with more than enough evidence to strike down the ban.

"We said on the first day of trial we would prove three things," he said during a news conference outside court. "Marriage is a fundamental right; that depriving gays and lesbians the right to marry hurts them and hurts their children; and there was no reason, no societal benefit in not allowing them to get married."

The defense countered that limiting marriage to a man and a woman serves a paramount social function by promoting stable biological families – a purpose that outweighs civil rights concerns.

Defense lawyers methodically cross-examined the parade of academic experts who testified for the plaintiffs then kept their part of the case brief.

Andy Pugno, a lawyer who served on the executive committee of the Proposition 8 campaign, said the burden of proof was on the plaintiffs.

"They have to prove the people voted irrationally when they voted to preserve the traditional definition of marriage," said Pugno, who often complained during the trial that voters and religion should not be put on trial.

"The question is whether the people have a right to decide what is best," he told reporters.

Lawyers on both sides delved into the premises that surround the polarized public discourse on gay marriage, touching on the fitness of gay parents, religious views on homosexuality, gender roles in marriage and the history of the gay rights movement.

They also aired topics that are less likely to be part of the polite debate, such as stereotypes that depict gays as pedophiles and link same-sex relationships to the specter of polygamy.

Lawyers for the plaintiffs called more than a dozen witnesses, including Nancy Cott, a Harvard University historian who testified that monogamous, state-sanctioned marriage between one man and one woman is a relatively recent concept in human civilization.

Ryan Kendall, a gay Colorado man, recalled how being subjected to therapy designed to make him straight drove him to the brink of suicide.

The plaintiffs – Kristin Perry and Sandra Stier, a lesbian couple from Berkeley, and Paul Katami and Jeffrey Zarrillo, a gay couple from Burbank – also took the witness stand to describe why they regard the domestic partnerships that California allows gay couples to enter are a poor substitute for matrimony.

Lawyers for the couples also called William Tam, a proponent of Proposition 8, as a hostile witness to discuss his view that allowing gays to get married would lead to incest, polygamy and child abuse.

Defense lawyers called just two witnesses. Kenneth Miller, a political science professor at Claremont McKenna College, testified that gays enjoy considerable political clout and were not a disadvantaged minority, as depicted by plaintiffs.

Under cross-examination, Blankenhorn conceded there were many valid reasons for allowing gays to wed, but the considerations are outweighed by the likely damage it would cause the already weakened state of heterosexual unions.

He acknowledged, however, that allowing gays to wed would have positive consequences for same-sex couples and society, such as scoring "a victory for the worthy ideas of tolerance and inclusion," reducing anti-gay prejudice and hate crimes, and creating a higher standard of living for same-sex couples.

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09:53 PM on 01/28/2010
You are right! It's not a disease, it's a choice. You are not "born this way", you choose to be gay! NailKnox got it WRONG! Ted Haggard changed his mind about his sexual preference. The California voters had their say and even thou the No on Prop 8 spent three times the money on this proposition they lost and have been crying ever since!
12:40 PM on 02/01/2010
50 Years ago African Americans and Whites were not allowed to get
married now an African American is President.

This Gay Marriage issue will also change we just have to keep at it
and these Religious nuts will trip over themselves eventually.
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StevenKeirstead
Photographer and Biologist who happens to be gay.
02:58 PM on 02/03/2010
Religion is a choice and we don’t allow discrimination in granting marriage licenses to members of unpopular religions (like the Unification Church with their mass weddings).

But there is no evidence that sexual orientation is purely a matter of choice, and a great deal of scientific or psychological evidence that for many people homosexuality is innate. Though it is not simply a matter of a "gay gene,” there is evidence from twin studies that there is a genetic component. Also non-genetic biological factors that influence sexual orientation toward homosexuality have been discovered, such as different hormone levels and male birth order in the families with a high ratio of boys born of the same mother, where younger males are more likely to be gay. Psychological studies including Exodus’ own study have shown that so called reparative therapy does not make gay men straight, though it may allow bisexual men to reduce their homosexual behavior. Therapy to try to change sexual orientation is far more likely to cause harm than to help those who try it.
10:33 AM on 01/28/2010
Was the writer of this article even at the trial? Or were her words edited? Because this seems likely a one-sided portrayal of the litigation proceedings.
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courtb
03:57 AM on 01/28/2010
I just cannot believe the defense put up such little argument. I'm concerned, however, that they believe they will lose in California and are saving up for the Supreme Court (whom, as is, would vote 5-4 in favor of upholding Prop 8).
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Grada3784
God is a Parent, not an abuser.
10:51 AM on 01/29/2010
So you're saying that the Supreme Court has already pre-judged this thing? That's really good to know.
07:38 PM on 01/27/2010
Not only did the plantiffs submit enough evidence to overturn prop8 but the defense did too. The defense was suppose to call 6 witness but 4 backed out but earlier testimony they'd given showed their testimony was flawed. The two that did testify made alot of good points about why gay marriage should be legal and had no evidence that it would cause harm. The plantiffs did a good job of showing how terrible their arguments were.
07:19 PM on 01/27/2010
According to Blankenhorn's testimony, straight people will stop cherishing that cherished institution (40% divorce rate, 25% adultery rate) if gay people want to cherish it also. Those heteros just cherish it so much that hte only reaosn they get married is becuase gay people can't. Or something like that

Other than that, his total testimony is an admission that denying gay people marriage harms them and their families, and granting it harms no one except the bigots right to their bigotry.. Blanky's testimony proves it is nothing but animus that (and the promise of a job) that is the real reason behind the anti-marriage initiatives.

As posted on another blog, this was his testimony "Same-sex marriage benefits the children, encourages stronger relationships, and creates a healthier, happier, and safer society, but it should be illegal because I and a bunch of my friends say that it will harm heterosexual marriage in some intangible way that we can’t be bothered to prove or expound on.”

my oh my og my.
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Shewolf68
I'm severely liberal!
06:54 PM on 01/27/2010
apparently the problem with the 'institution' marriage and the 50% divorce rate rests squarely on the shoulders of straight men and women. How can the gays mess up something they are not even allowed to participate in?
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Milash
It says I should edit my micro-bio, so I did.
06:51 PM on 01/27/2010
The expert witnesses for the defense were amazingly inept and far from being experts at anything. Equal rights for all taxpaying citizens!
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newtom
eschew obfuscation
02:40 PM on 01/29/2010
They were expert big0ts.
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Fogy
RIP, ignorance
06:28 PM on 01/27/2010
"The defense called just two expert witnesses during the trial. More than a dozen witnesses appeared for the plaintiffs."

Me thinks thou doth not protest enough? Perhaps they wanted to save money on experts until the Supreme Court.
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Fogy
RIP, ignorance
06:25 PM on 01/27/2010
"Marriage" isn't about love.
You can be in love and not be married.
You can be married and not be in love.

"Marriage" isn't about sex.
You can have sex and not be married.
You can be married and not have sex.

"Marriage" isn't about children.
You can have children and not be married.
You can be married and not have children.

"Marriage" isn't about religion.
You can be an atheist and be married.
You can be married without a preacher.

"Marriage" isn't about vows.
You can make vows without being married.
You can be married without vows, only an "I do".

"Marriage" isn't about rings.
You can wear rings without being married.
You can be married without exchanging rings.

Marriage is legally only about property, citizenship, kinship and inheritance. The marriage license is an application for State and Federal benefits granted a specific class of people. All arguments about love, romance, reproduction, religious dogma and family values are PERSONAL BAGGAGE and cultural ignorance of the legal reasons for marriage. Arguments that aren't about property, citizenship, kinship and inheritance are moot and it's upsetting that those points are being allowed in court to the virtual exclusion of the law and the spirit of the law itself.

Denying US Citizens benefits granted others on the basis of their sexual orientation is unconstitutional. Denying gays benefits because they offend the sensibilities of bigots is no more valid than denying the bigots the same benefits because "I" am offended by them.
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rancho
06:58 PM on 01/27/2010
Absolutely correct!! BRAVO!!
07:04 PM on 01/27/2010
let's ask JFK, John Edwards, Bill Clinton, Elliot Spitzer, Ted Haggard, Mark Sanford, Rush Limbaugh,

Bill O'Reilly + the dozens of other fine upstanding politicians Larry Flint has on file their opinion on

the fine institution of marriage...
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Fogy
RIP, ignorance
06:24 PM on 01/27/2010
CNN : Obama to seek repeal of military "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy in State of the Union speech tonight, top official says.
05:37 PM on 01/27/2010
If the defense had tried to intentionally lose that case they couldn't have done a better job. Uninformed, ill-prepared and unknowledgeable witnesses, a complete lack of real evidence of any kind, lots of "well, this is my personal opinion" and "I don't know where I heard that... I think it was on the news."

It's hard to imagine a witness more damning than WIlliam Tam... or it was... until defense put David Blankenhorn on the stand and he judge pointed out that he wasn't an "expert" at all. Even David Blankenhorn himself admitted he was just there to regurgitate erroneous fear-mongering and paranoid delusions... he had no real knowledge applicable to the case at all.

It's hard to imagine but.. did they WANT to lose this just so they could raise more funds and keep themselves in a job for another year or two? I as a gay married man could have done a better job than those buffoons did.
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el sistema
05:43 PM on 01/27/2010
Most of the defense expert testimony was provided to them by counsel and supplemented with opinion and 1950s logic.
05:37 PM on 01/27/2010
Please seriously, I truly don't understand how allowing gay people a stable loving relationship equal to a heterosexual one under the law (since they're already equal in religion) would result in "likely damage it would cause the already weakened state of heterosexual unions." How? My marriage is fine thank you. How will my brother or sister in law or cousin or co-worker marrying the person they love undermine my marriage? How would their being happier make my marriage less stable or happy? Am I stupid or what? Why can I see no harm? I only see benefit to society.
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newtom
eschew obfuscation
02:48 PM on 01/29/2010
You, sir, are not the least bit stupid. Indeed, you see this issue much more clearly and logically than do the so-called experts the PropH8ers put on the stand. Thanks.

And congratulations on your happiness!
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DMSmith
05:03 PM on 01/27/2010
Individual rights, under our constitution, do NOT take second place to any other consideration - including the will of the voters.
Unfortunately, we now have a rogue Supreme Court that sees fit to rule based on politics, rather than on the constitution.
They have now said that Corporations have more rights than I do as a gay American citizen.
Shocking and sad to say the least.
05:40 PM on 01/27/2010
we need to get on impeaching Scalia now.
08:16 PM on 01/27/2010
...and Roberts and Alito.
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StevenKeirstead
Photographer and Biologist who happens to be gay.
09:11 PM on 01/27/2010
Can USC justices be recalled by a vote of the people? That would be democratic!
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PhilipB
04:39 PM on 01/27/2010
The defense was shabby and idiotic, which I suppose is not suprising as their fear and hate may influence voters, but does not stand up in a court of law.
If you have not done so already, here is a superb site which gives transcripts of the trial.
http://prop8trialtracker.com/

All the best!
04:38 PM on 01/27/2010
Save marriage, outlaw divorce!
05:03 PM on 01/27/2010
http://rescuemarriage.org/

You said "'Til death do you part." You're not dead yet!
07:21 PM on 01/27/2010
"And obey him"
06:33 PM on 01/27/2010
Oh! Can't agree with that, hahaha! Save marriage, allow gay people their rights!