China Refuses To Compromise Over Tibet

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GILLIAN WONG   02/ 1/10 10:41 PM ET   AP

BEIJING — China warned President Barack Obama on Tuesday not to meet the Dalai Lama, saying any such meeting would harm bilateral relations.

An Obama meeting with the Dalai Lama would "seriously undermine the political foundation of Sino-U.S. relations," said Zhu Weiqun, executive deputy head of the Communist Party's United Front Work Department in charge of recent talks with the exiled Tibetan leader's envoys.

Zhu was speaking at a news conference where he said no progress had been made at the talks with envoys of the Dalai Lama on changes to the Himalayan region's status.

The warning to Obama comes after signals from U.S. officials in recent weeks that Obama might soon meet the exiled Tibetan leader – something Chinese officials are keen to avoid before President Hu Jintao travels to Washington, possibly in April.

Zhu said any arguments that the Dalai Lama was just a religious figure were wrong, calling the 1989 Nobel Peace Prize laureate the "head of a separatist group."

No date for Obama's meeting with the Dalai Lama has been announced, but White House spokesman Mike Hammer said last month that "the President has made clear to the Chinese government that we intend to meet with the Dalai Lama, it has been his every intention."

Bilateral relations have already been strained by the U.S. announcement Friday that it planned to sell $6.4 billion worth of arms to Taiwan.

Beijing quickly suspended military exchanges with Washington and announced an unprecedented threat of sanctions against the U.S. companies involved in the sale.

Zhu did not give any details on what China would do if Obama meets the Dalai Lama. "We will take corresponding measures to make the relevant countries realize their mistakes."

Representatives of the United Front meet over the weekend with two Tibetan envoys for their first talks in 15 months, but Zhu said China would discuss only the future of the exiled spiritual leader – not any greater autonomy for Tibet.

"There is no room for negotiation or concession on the part of the central government on these issues," Zhu said.

China maintains that Tibet has been part of its territory for centuries, but many Tibetans say the region was functionally independent for much of its history.

At the last talks in 2008, the Dalai Lama's envoys proposed a way for Tibetans to achieve more autonomy under the Chinese constitution – a key demand of the minority community. But China apparently rejected the plan, saying it would not allow Tibet the kind of latitude granted to the territories of Hong Kong and Macau. Chinese officials said they were only willing to discuss the return of the Dalai Lama, who fled to exile in 1959.

The Tibetan government-in-exile in Dharmsala, India, said last week it hoped the two sides would be able to revisit the proposal for greater autonomy.

Beijing demonizes the Dalai Lama and says he seeks to destroy China's sovereignty by pushing independence for Tibet. The Dalai Lama has maintained for decades he wants some form of autonomy that would allow Tibetans to freely practice their culture, language and religion under China's rule, not independence.

Tibetan areas have been tense in recent years, with the minority community complaining about restrictions on Buddhism, government propaganda campaigns against their revered Dalai Lama, and an influx of Chinese migrants that leave Tibetans feeling marginalized. Those feelings boiled over in deadly anti-Chinese riots in 2008 that shocked Beijing's leaders.

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Balzac
05:53 PM on 02/02/2010
ༀ This is a test of Tibetan Unicode support.
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Balzac
05:57 PM on 02/02/2010
I can see the character because I've added a support font, and the web application supported the character as well as my browser (once the font was installed). I'm using Firefox 3.6 pre

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.2pre) Gecko/20100130 Ubuntu/9.10 (karmic) Namoroka/3.6.2pre
03:52 AM on 02/02/2010
Similar to Native American topic to USA, Tibet topic to China is a fake topic. It has no fundamental consequence other than keeping the heat on China. No one in his right mind believe whatever they say is for the good of Tibet. If Tibet were in Africa, no one even bother to know about it.

When Obama needs to have a good relationship with China in 2009, he dumped Dalai Lama. When he wants to act or look tough on China in 2010, he wants to meet Dalai Lama.

Being on the CIA payroll, and having only 300,000 Tibetan followers camping in India with a voice in the world far beyond it could generate by itself, Dalai Lama has no choice to be comply.

Peeling off all the sweet talks or half-baked wisdom talks, he is just a political dog. You guys on this forum all know it. But the pretention continues ... carry on, guys, if this topic gives you any comfort to reconfirm your believe, whatever that is.
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Balzac
12:32 PM on 02/02/2010
I think President Obama should stay well informed of the physical health and good spirits of the Dalai Lama. If the Dalai Lama is feeling stress, President Obama should accelerate their scheduled meeting. The Dalai Lama keeps himself in good health, which gives President Obama time, but he's over 80, so in the interest of respecting a wise old man, the President shouldn't wait too long. But he has plenty of time and the Dalai Lama has lots of patience.
03:11 AM on 02/02/2010
How come there are so much argument about Tibet being part of China or not?

Here is a simple logic:

In 1904 and 1934, Tibet had TWICE decalred independence from China. 1904 - declare independence from Qing Court. 1934, declare independence from Nationalist Chinese government.

If it was not part of China, how did it need to declare independence from China. Maybe the lamas have nothing else to do after all the meditation and decided it was a good idea to chat with China?

If Tibet was not part of China, does the below conversation make any sense?

Tibet: I have decided to leave you. (1904)
China: But you never belong to me!
Tibet: No, serious, I want to leave you! (1934)
China: Lady, do I know you?
07:58 PM on 02/02/2010
What brilliant logic. If it were applied to Ireland, the whole isle would still be under Brit rule.
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Balzac
02:44 AM on 02/02/2010
人民之间的尊重是至关重要的。这是社会。

政治边界西藏脱离中国是不是很大。

中国政府对西藏的索赔是政治战略。

政治思想是短暂随着时光的流逝。

语言远不只是短暂的政治意识形态。

这就是为什么我建议只收集藏人的注意力,说,写自己的语言,保持耐心。

此外,我认为中国大陆可以享受传统的欢乐中文。

简体中文是相当一个时期有用的危机,现在中国是统一的。

有中国内地与台湾的挥之不去的分歧,但他们可与中华文化的所有人享有克服。
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Balzac
02:45 AM on 02/02/2010
Translation:

Respect between the people is paramount. This is society.

The political border separating Tibet from China is not as significant.

China's claim of Tibet is politically strategic.

Political ideology is transient as generations pass.

Language is deeper than the transient political ideology.

This is why I recommend Tibetans just collect their attention, speak and write their own language and remain patient.

Also, I would suggest that Mainland China can enjoy traditional Chinese language for merriment.

Simplified Chinese was quite useful for an era of crisis, and now China is unified.

There are the lingering differences between Mainland China and Taiwan, but they can be overcome with enjoyment of all of Chinese culture.
07:22 PM on 02/01/2010
Soon Maitreya Buddha will be working openly in the world, see http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/maitreya-steps-forward-82149792.html .

Maybe the Chinese can explain their unreasonable intransigence, persecution of minorities and general bullying attitude to Him?
07:56 PM on 02/01/2010
Wow, we have a new cult here!
06:59 PM on 02/01/2010
Dalai Lama should return to China.
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Balzac
10:57 AM on 02/01/2010
The main thing between China and Tibet isn't necessarily the political boundaries between these nations or the lack thereof, and the geopolitical significance of this arrangement.

The real question is about respect for Tibetan Culture. Tibet has a different language and culture from China, so it makes sense that as the world moves on from the political zeal of last century, more respect for the cultural autonomy of Tibet will be seen.

与中国和西藏最主要的是,并不一定与这些国家或缺乏政治界限,这项安排的地缘政治意义。

真正的问题是关于藏族文化的尊重。西藏有着不同的语言和文化的中国,是很有意义的,作为世界移动从上个世纪的政治热情,更多的西藏文化自治方面将看到。

(Too bad I don't have a Sanskrit translator.)
11:18 AM on 02/01/2010
你是西藏?
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Balzac
11:54 AM on 02/01/2010
Please understand my pragmatism. A political boundary only exists on maps.

The Dalai Lama should seriously consider this arrangement.

请您理解我的实用主义。阿政治边界只存在于地图。

达赖喇嘛应该认真考虑这种安排。
06:58 PM on 02/01/2010
Eh? You guys can get Chinese character on your comments how did you do it? I never knew it is possible. What about Arabic or Russian?
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Balzac
09:25 PM on 02/01/2010
There's unicode support in the web application and my browser (Firefox). I'm using Google translate and going from English to Chinese and back to English verify the syntax and translation.
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Smithn
Different strokes for different folks.
10:54 AM on 02/01/2010
In the practice of tolerance , one's enemy is the best teacher.
--Dali Lama
11:15 AM on 02/01/2010
Bull
11:23 AM on 02/01/2010
If you are tolerant, you don't have an enemy.
-Confucius
12:37 PM on 02/01/2010
really?
what exactly did Tibet do to China to make China INVADE?

Evil attacks the peaceful.

Hence, China is EVIL!

look how China Enslaves its own people and beats down any other ethnic group.
Why did China stop the Tests?

Confucius and Laozi during the hundred schools years laid the ground work for all government officials to take a TEST before beign allowed to have power and rule.

that system lasted for 1500 years.
Mao ended it with his destruction of All things Culturally China
10:46 AM on 02/01/2010
I just can't see why China can't accept the moral superiority of a religious government and election by reincarnation.
03:13 PM on 02/01/2010
And isn't funny that Tibetans would be better off without the CC(sic)P's control of their country? China hardly 'liberated' Tibet.
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drjasonmd
Shalom, compa!
05:40 PM on 02/01/2010
No, they just liberated all the Tibetan serfs who were living under that feudal regime.
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Tribal Knowledge
Show respect to all people and grovel to none.
10:10 AM on 02/01/2010
China is emboldened when our weak president sells out the Dalai Lama and refuses to meet with him, when he sells out the Polish people preemptively on missile defense, when he leaves Iranian protestors to twist in the wind (in hopes to appease the regime), when he sides with a tinpot dictator in Central America who gets himself tossed out of the country for trying to take it over, and when he gets nothing but laughter from our enemies over it.
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Smithn
Different strokes for different folks.
10:36 AM on 02/01/2010
1 You will not find even one reputable Foreign Policy authority to support your statements. While they all agree Obama's approach is bringing world leaders together again.
2. Nobel Peace Price
10:47 AM on 02/01/2010
I knew there had to be one of you out there. :)
12:38 PM on 02/01/2010
Peace prize for what?
he was only in office for 12 days!

and giving homage to a SLAVER
over the Dali Lama tells me much about Obama.

How many Trillion to Corporations in just the first few months?
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drjasonmd
Shalom, compa!
11:47 AM on 02/02/2010
What, exactly, does it mean to "embolden" someone? China is "emboldened" to do what, exactly?

And how did Obama "sell out" the Poles by not moving forward on a missile system that never worked (nor will it ever) and would have resulted in the automatic dissolution of all the arms control treaties we managed to secure from the Russians in the first place?

And what was Obama supposed to do to Iran, invade? We already have them under an embargo, the embassy is already closed, so I'm interested in hearing what you would have done.

And which "enemies" were "laughing" at Obama over Central America? Chavez? Morales? Ortega? Every President in Latin America (except the puppet Uribe)? Last I checked, Obama just ignored Zelaya and ran out the clock (which was the coup plotters' plan from the beginning) and angered the entire region in the process.

And how was the democratically elected president of Honduras a "tinpot dictator" who tried to "take over" the country? How was calling for a referendum on a Constituent Assembly going to help him "take over" the country? Please be specific.

You've made a lot of unsupported assertions that are begging for elaboration. I'm assuming that you have specific reasons why you posted all that above. I'd be so disappointed to learn that you are just repeating some talking points you picked up on Drudge.

Surely there is some extraordinary evidence to back up your extraordinary assertions.