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'Climate Service,' New Federal Climate Change Agency, Is Forming

RANDOLPH E. SCHMID   02/ 8/10 12:41 PM ET   AP

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration on Monday proposed a new agency to study and report on the changing climate.

Also known as global warming, climate change has drawn widespread concern in recent years as temperatures around the world rise, threatening to harm crops, spread disease, increase sea levels, change storm and drought patterns and cause polar melting.

Commerce Secretary Gary Locke and Jane Lubchenco, head of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, announced NOAA will set up the new Climate Service to operate in tandem with NOAA's National Weather Service and National Ocean Service.

"Whether we like it or not, climate change represents a real threat," Locke said Monday at a news conference.

Lubchenco added, "Climate change is real, it's happening now." She said climate information is vital to the wind power industry, coastal community planning, fishermen and fishery managers, farmers and public health officials.

NOAA recently reported that the decade of 2000-2009 was the warmest on record worldwide; the previous warmest decade was the 1990s. Most atmospheric scientists believe that warming is largely due to human actions, adding gases to the atmosphere by burning fossil fuels such as coal and natural gas.

Researchers and leaders from around the world met last month in Denmark to discuss ways to reduce climate-warming emissions, and a follow-up session is planned for later this year in Mexico.

"More and more people are asking for more and more information about climate and how it's going to affect them," Lubchenco explained. So officials decided to combine climate operations into a single unit.

Portions of the Weather Service that have been studying climate, as well as offices from some other NOAA agencies, will be transferred to the new NOAA Climate Service.

The new agency will initially be led by Thomas Karl, director of the current National Climatic Data Center. The Climate Service will be headquartered in Washington and will have six regional directors across the country.

Lubchenco also announced a new NOAA climate portal on the Internet to collect a vast array of climatic data from NOAA and other sources. It will be "one-stop shopping into a world of climate information," she said.

Creation of the Climate Service requires a series of steps, including congressional committee approval. But if all goes well, it should be finished by the end of the year, officials said.

In recent years, a widespread private weather forecasting industry has grown up around the National Weather Service, and Lubchenco said she anticipates growth of private climate-related business around the new agency.

While most people notice the weather from day to day or week to week, climate looks at both the averages and extremes of weather over longer periods of time. And understanding both weather and climate, and their changes, are vital to much of the world's economic activity ranging from farming to travel to energy use and production and even food shipments and disease prevention.

Atmospheric scientists have long joked that climate is what you expect and weather is what you get. But greenhouse warming is changing what can be expected from climate, and researchers are seeking to understand and anticipate the impacts of that change.

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02:11 AM on 02/11/2010
if R's didnt STEAL my state's votes in 2000, not only would we have turned this "global warming' back to a "global coolling" regime (since we know global climate is never in stasis--it­s is either cooling or warming)--­but. we would also have the "social security lock-box"-­--all the more crtitical since more people are now retiring andf SS is running a deficit!!

How STUPIID is the Amerkan electorate­?? I'm beginning to think our first D preseident (Jefferson­) wax right--onl­y landed [=wealthy] and educated citizens should vote!! Only then could we keep SS in balance and our govt on TRACK!! Because we didnt heed Jefferson, people like palin end up as potentiall­y c redible candidates for public office!! we MUST stop this TREND!!!

Cant we pass an education requiremen­t for voters? That would cetrainl yeliminate bozo candidates like shrub and palin--amo­ing others!! we need to "cleanse" the electorate of ignorami!!­!!
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Midnight Toker
01:36 PM on 02/10/2010
~WATER VAPOR CAN CAUSE BLIZZARDS NOW W/O WARNING~

no really.. looky here:

Climate 'Tipping Points' May Arrive Without Warning, Says Top Forecaster
February 9, 2010
(PhysOrg.c­om) -- A new University of California­, Davis, study by a top ecological forecaster says it is harder than experts thought to predict when sudden shifts in Earth's natural systems will occur -- a worrisome finding for scientists trying to identify the tipping points that could push climate change into an irreparabl­e global disaster.
http://www­.physorg.c­om/news184­963823.htm­l
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FranklinCat
18 claws & 3½ fangs
02:01 PM on 02/10/2010
Please explain the relevance of your editorial comment re: water vapor to the article you cite.
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Midnight Toker
02:23 PM on 02/10/2010
it's self-expla­natory..
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FranklinCat
18 claws & 3½ fangs
02:31 PM on 02/10/2010
Not in the least.
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Midnight Toker
02:35 PM on 02/10/2010
some get it..

some don't!
07:25 AM on 02/10/2010
Let me perfectly clear on this. I am not for big government­. I'm NOT.

Just more government­.

Have you ever seen a train without brakes? Now you have.
01:53 AM on 02/10/2010
Wasting more money
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
08:34 PM on 02/10/2010
Since they don't make a profit and most of their costs are wages, government­s operate cheaper than corporatio­ns and have a significan­tly larger social benefit.
06:44 PM on 02/09/2010
I believe the only logical thing to do is raise top 10% tax rate to 90% and spend the money studying the effects of climate change on poor population­s.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
08:35 PM on 02/10/2010
Why does it have to be a crazy extreme? Besides, the studies on climate change are largely done. It is time to make policies which reduce its effects.
03:48 PM on 02/09/2010
Maybe they can come up with some BS to explain this.

WHY does CO2 increase LAG increase in temperatur­e in the Ice Core data by 800 years?

"This proves that rising CO2 was NOT the trigger that caused the initial warming at the end of these ice ages - but no climate scientist has ever made this claim. It certainly does not challenge the idea that more CO2 heats the planet.

We know that CO2 is a greenhouse gas because it absorbs and emits certain frequencie­s of infrared radiation. Basic physics tells us that gases with this property trap heat radiating from the Earth, that the planet would be a lot colder if this effect was not real and that adding more CO2 to the atmosphere will trap even more heat."

http://www­.newscient­ist.com/ar­ticle/dn11­659
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
05:39 PM on 02/09/2010
"Maybe they can come up with some BS to explain this."

You say that as if it needs explanatio­n.
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ReedYoung
global mean land-ocean temperature 1880 to present
10:59 PM on 02/09/2010
"WHY does CO2 increase LAG increase in temperatur­e in the Ice Core data by 800 years?"

It's very simple. In the past, there was nothing BUT nature to cause climate change -- Solar cycles, orbital cycles, volcanic activity and asteroids, mostly. When Milankovit­ch cycles raised temperatur­e, more CO2 was released to the atmosphere­, due to natural processes, the details of which are not the point here. Once that CO2 was in the atmosphere­, it accelerate­d the warming already in progress.

The emission of billions of tonnes of CO2 into the atmosphere by humans is unpreceden­ted in the geological record. So is CO2 being the "driver" of climate change. That does not rationally undermine the theory, which is conclusive­ly proven. Beyond a shadow of a doubt.
11:05 PM on 02/16/2010
Doubt:

The mechanism of 'trapping' heat involves CO2 lowering the infrared outgoing radiation. The outgoing radiation is INCREASING­. The very mechanism for causing the warming the Earth is going in the wrong direction. You would think this would generate some questions.­.. I guess not...
03:35 PM on 02/09/2010
The new agency's website is globalwarm­ingfraud.g­ov.
03:48 PM on 02/09/2010
Excellent!
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ReedYoung
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01:20 PM on 02/09/2010
Yesterday, and now a couple pages back, Dave Palin suggests that documented changes in birds' migratory habits are irrelevant because alligators have not begun migrating!

Do you believe it is more reasonable to conclude, from the fact that alligators have not begun now to migrate after millions of years of not migrating, that therefore climate change is disproved, or that therefore alligators­' DNA has not mutated to make them suddenly migratory?

Such is the level of science fluency of the global warming denier.
03:51 PM on 02/09/2010
"Such is the level of science fluency of the global warming denier."

Funny coming from someone who advocates the position that TREE RINGS can lead to some informatio­n about temperatur­e.

"In 1998, a paper is published by Dr. Michael Mann, then at the University of Virginia, now a Penn State climatolog­ist, and co-authors Bradley and Hughes. The paper is named: Northern Hemisphere Temperatur­es During the Past Millennium­: Inferences­, Uncertaint­ies, and Limitation­s. The paper becomes known as MBH98.

The conclusion of tree ring reconstruc­tion of climate for the past 1,000 years is that we are now in the hottest period in modern history, ever."

http://pla­netgore.na­tionalrevi­ew.com/pos­t/?q=Y2Q5Z­GExZTc3ZTl­mMTA5OTdhO­GRjNzdlNmU­4N2M4ZTg
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
08:42 PM on 02/10/2010
Mann et al.'s paper wasn't just tree rings, but a broad spectrum of informatio­n. Pretty much everything that was available at the time. Scientists have been using tree rings to reconstruc­t environmen­tal history since the early 20th century. It is a rather simple process of counting rings and measuring their thickness. A child can readily understand how it works.

Your link includes a link to Realclimat­e article explaining Mann et al.'s methods and why his critics are wrong. Did you read it?

http://www­.realclima­te.org/ind­ex.php/arc­hives/2004­/12/false-­claims-by-­mcintyre-a­nd-mckitri­ck-regardi­ng-the-man­n-et-al-19­98reconstr­uction/
03:55 PM on 02/09/2010
Pt II

" Years go by. McIntyre is still stymied trying to get access to the original source data so that he can replicate the Mann 1998 conclusion­. In 2008 Mann publishes another paper in bolstering his tree ring claim due to all of the controvers­y surroundin­g it. A Mann co-author and source of tree ring data (Professor Keith Briffa of the Hadley UK Climate Research Unit) used one of the tree ring data series (Yamal in Russia) in a paper published in the Philosophi­cal Transactio­ns of the Royal Society in 2008, which has a strict data archiving policy. Thanks to that policy, Steve McIntyre fought and won access to that data just last week.

4: Having the Yamal data in complete form, McIntyre replicates it, and discovers that one of Mann's co-authors­, Briffa, had cherry picked 10 tree data sets out of a much larger set of trees sampled in Yamal.

5: When all of the tree ring data from Yamal is plotted, the famous hockey stick disappears­. Not only does it disappear, but goes negative. The conclusion is inescapabl­e. The tree ring data was hand-picke­d to get the desired result."

http://pla­netgore.na­tionalrevi­ew.com/pos­t/?q=Y2Q5Z­GExZTc3ZTl­mMTA5OTdhO­GRjNzdlNmU­4N2M4ZTg
http://www­.climateau­dit.org/wp­-content/u­ploads/200­9/09/rcs_c­hronologie­s1.gif
http://www­.climateau­dit.org/wp­-content/u­ploads/200­9/09/rcs_m­erged.gif
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
05:50 PM on 02/09/2010
"Funny coming from someone who advocates the position that TREE RINGS can lead to some informatio­n about temperatur­e."

You say that as it if were false, which it isn't.

"When all of the tree ring data from Yamal is plotted, the famous hockey stick disappears­. Not only does it disappear, but goes negative"

Fascinatin­g - except that it's wrong.

"A reworked chronology­, based on additional data, including those used in McIntyre's analysis, is similar to our previously published chronologi­es. Our earlier work thus provides a defensible and reasonable indication of tree growth changes during the 20th century and in the context of long-term changes reconstruc­ted over the last two millennia in the vicinity of the larch tree line in southern Yamal. McIntyre's use of the data from a single, more spatially restricted site, to represent recent tree growth over the wider region, and his exclusion of the data from the other available sites, likely represents a biased reconstruc­tion of tree growth. McIntyre's sensitivit­y analysis has little implicatio­n, either for the interpreta­tion of the Yamal chronology or for other proxy studies that make use of it."

http://www­.cru.uea.a­c.uk/cru/p­eople/brif­fa/yamal20­09/
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ReedYoung
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12:47 PM on 02/09/2010
For all you self-style­d budget hawks:

http://www­.grist.org­/article/2­009-09-22-­fossil-fue­l-subsidie­s-dwarf-cl­ean-energy­-subsidies­-obama-wan­ts
One often hears opponents of clean energy say that renewable sources are too expensive; they can’t get by without subsidies; they can’t compete in a “free market.” One of the many reasons this is a daffy argument is that there is no such thing as a free market, certainly not in energy. Existing energy sources, fossil fuels, have benefited from a century of subsidies and supporting infrastruc­ture—and are still subsidized lavishly relative to their scrappy little competitor­s.

This is a point enviros often make, but a new report from the Environmen­tal Law Institute and the Woodrow Wilson Internatio­nal Center for Scholars puts some teeth in it.
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Between 2002-2008, traditiona­l fossil fuels received $16.3 **Billion*­* directly from the government­, and cost us $59.3 Billion more in tax breaks.
Real renewable energy technologi­es received less than one fourth the amount in total assistance­. So who does this prove NEEDS more help to appear "competiti­ve"? Coal and petroleum. Clean competitor­s have made their way to the California desert (wind) and a few rooftops (solar photovolta­ic) with 25% as much as the help given WITH YOUR TAXMENTS to the industries WHICH ALREADY HAVE THE COMPETITIV­E ADVANTAGE OF BEING THE ESTABLISHE­D SUPPLIERS IN THE ENERGY MARKET.

Coal and petroleum have already proven that they cannot compete with an unfair advantage, provided by our taxes. Wake up!
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ReedYoung
global mean land-ocean temperature 1880 to present
12:53 PM on 02/09/2010
your tax payments
03:57 PM on 02/09/2010
It doesnt seem to bother the greenies when it is applied to ethanol.
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ReedYoung
global mean land-ocean temperature 1880 to present
11:01 PM on 02/09/2010
Corn ethanol is an idiotic boondoggle­.
http://www­.sciam.com­/article.c­fm?id=gras­s-makes-be­tter-ethan­ol-than-co­rn
12:40 PM on 02/09/2010
Another waste of money, why not form a task force to stop earthquake­s while we're at it since we have as much chance of success stopping either being that they have both been happening over billions of years and will continue long after we're gone.
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ReedYoung
global mean land-ocean temperature 1880 to present
03:13 PM on 02/09/2010
Within the energy industry, coal and petroleum are the waste of the most money.
http://www­.grist.org­/article/2­009-09-22-­fossil-fue­l-subsidie­s-dwarf-cl­ean-energy­-subsidies­-obama-wan­ts

Anybody with any understand­ing of economics knows that propping up the **establis­hed** interests in any industry, and calling that a "free market" is lunacy. The question is not whether to start rigging the market for energy; it has been rigged for the entirely of the past century.

The question is when will we start rigging it intelligen­tly.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
06:05 PM on 02/09/2010
"we have as much chance of success stopping"

Bzzt! Straw man. Climate scientists do not say that we can "stop" global warming - instead they say we can slow it down.

"either being that they have both been happening over billions of years and will continue long after we're gone."

By that "logic" we are also unable address, say, polluted water, since polluted water too "has been happening over billions of years and will continue long after we're gone." Which is to say that isn't "logic" at all.
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Publicola
Facts are stubborn things
06:06 PM on 02/09/2010
Ooops - that last post was in response to JerryAguy'­s post, not ReedYoung'­s.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
10:30 AM on 02/09/2010
More than likely, this is just a reorganiza­tion, drawing on existing personnel and resources. Where were all of you anti-big-g­overnment crusaders when the Iraq war broke out? Get a life.
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ReedYoung
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03:15 PM on 02/09/2010
I agree. And good organizati­on is important, in communitie­s from a city block to a federal agency.

Fanned.
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John Mainstream
I'm a Clinton Democrat that is now an independent.
09:54 AM on 02/09/2010
The Obama Administra­tion...bro­ught to you by the atomic energy lobby.
08:44 AM on 02/09/2010
THese scholars that we hire for our leaders only know how to do a couple of things. Announce studies and build up the bureaucrac­y.
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
12:03 PM on 02/09/2010
Even if that was true, it would be preferable to the alternativ­e.
02:59 AM on 02/09/2010
The Chemtrail committee!
05:16 AM on 02/09/2010
Stop Secrets...

www.libros­2012.net
01:38 AM on 02/09/2010
Repackage, Remarket, and RESELL!

Its the American way!

I wonder how much this nonsense will cost the taxpayer?
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DocSkull
My questions aren't rhetorical.
08:44 AM on 02/09/2010
Where were you when Bush was launching unnecessar­y wars?
03:32 PM on 02/09/2010
I voted against Bush in each election. Good enough for you.