Fur Makes A Comeback At NY Fashion Week (PHOTOS, POLL)

SAMANTHA CRITCHELL, ASSOCIATED PRESS:

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NEW YORK — Fur made a comeback Saturday at New York Fashion Week.

There were more fur coats on the runways of Peter Som, Prabal Gurung and Adam by Adam Lippes than in recent seasons. Alexander Wang had a cool leather trenchcoat with a strip of mink running entirely down the back.

"I believe people will buy fur in the fall. It keeps you warm," said Bloomingdale's fashion director Stephanie Solomon. "And for those who don't like the idea of fur, there is great faux fur."

Another option: Mongolian lambswool – a fuzzy, almost featherlike material – has emerged as a popular alternative.

Som showed almost muppet-like versions of the wool in hot pink and electric blue, but the fabric was also on display at Adam and as trim on dresses and shirts by other designers.

Fur has been more rare in recent seasons as luxury turned more discreet, so lambswool may be a more acceptable alternative. In Som's rendering, it still makes a statement, without being in-your-face luxurious.

Quick Poll

Should fur make a comeback?

Absolutely! Who needs to be politically correct when it's freezing outside.

Only secondhand fur.

Absolutely not. It's completely unethical and inhumane.

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PETER SOM

Peter Som took a hiatus from the runway to regroup his fashion label after a financial rough patch, and he was missed, judging by the crowd who came to watch his return on Saturday.

Heavy hitters from the major luxury department stores as well as healthy contingents from the magazines were treated to a fall collection unlike anything else they've seen so far during this round of style previews.

There was color – lots of purple, green and acid yellow! There were luxe furs! There was a vintage vibe and ladylike silhouettes!

The explosion of prints and exotic trims, including mink, feathers, pearlized-petal pailettes and distressed metallics, was dizzying at times, but also invigorating. It was like all the models got dressed in the dark and, in the process, broke all the fashion rules about what goes with what. Most of the time, the outfits showed why rules should be broken.

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ALEXANDER WANG

Alexander Wang has already collected a slew of "young designer" awards, so it was time to present a more grown-up collection. He did that Saturday with forward-thinking fashion and an eye on a more luxe, sophisticated customer.

She's still quite young, though, or at least willing to show some skin. Top models clearly don't mind: Both Natalia Vodianova and Agyness Deyn walked in the show.

Inventive knits, tailoring and a touch of fur here and there put him in a different league than his athlete-inspired spring line. Men's waistcoats and pinstripe vests transformed into sexy minidresses, especially those that mixed in some ultra-delicate lace, and his "caterpillar" chenille knit had a softness that's new to Wang's look.

Layering was key to the overall vibe – mixing textures of the wool, velvet, mohair and mink. Cutouts were strategically placed lest the wearer started to feel too wintry.

Black dominated the palette, as it has on most catwalks so far, but color isn't the big takeaway from the Wang show. "I have a feeling layering is going to be the big message," said Cindy Weber Cleary, InStyle magazine fashion director.

RAG & BONE

The cool girls will probably be wearing a lot of menswear styles in the fall.

Rag & Bone, which has become a bellwether brand for downtown hipsters, debuted a collection Friday that was rooted in tailored suits but stayed quirky and feminine thanks to tweaks in proportion and styling.

The first model on the runway wore a combination of waistcoat, workshirt and kilt, and she was followed by a camouflage anorak, a plaid shirtdress and what appeared to be an unfinished blazer. (Interestingly, this wasn't the first literally thread-baring jacket shown during these previews.)

Designers Marcus Wainwright and David Neville showed a skill with sweaters that could turn into highly salable garments, and made a good case for leather leggings and purse pouches that hang from belts like a stylish fanny pack.

The designers also confirmed some of the trends that seem to be emerging, including layers and menswear, but also military-inspired styles, heavily textured garments and a dominant palette of black and gray.

"I thought Rag & Bone showed the designers have grown up in one season," said Bloomingdale's Solomon, who said the collection was her favorite so far.

NICOLE MILLER

Nicole Miller must have always had a tough spirit inside her – how else could she have lasted so long in the fashion business? – but it's only in her most recent collections that you see that aggressiveness in the clothes.

The scarf-print dresses of yesteryear are gone, replaced by body-hugging dresses, biker shorts and leather leggings. The fall styles previewed Friday were an extension of the look she offered for spring, using a lot of black, a strong-shoulder silhouette and asymmetrical necklines.

What was new were the leather-sleeve coats, apparently an emerging trend for next season, and the camo print, which hit the right note of sexy in a twisted front-pleat dress.

But while this is an evolved aesthetic for Miller, is it new to Miller's customers or do they already have a bomber jacket-tunic-legging outfit from another label?

GEORGES CHAKRA

Georges Chakra designs his Edition collection for the party circuit, but using a more restrained hand served him well at the Saturday preview at New York Fashion Week.

Among the best looks were a black chiffon-and-satin gown with a beaded neckline worn with a red distressed trench-style opera coat, and a black lace pantsuit that was sexy with its champagne-colored illusion effect but with a silhouette loose enough to keep it from being a costume.

Sending some of the same messages as other designers at Mercedes-Benz Fashion Week, Chakra played with multiple fabrics and textures, and tweaked the leather-sleeve trend with long opera gloves.

But he overused the backward silhouette too much, enough to make you wonder if Chakra is coming or going as a player on the red carpet.

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Comments

[AntiEthicalOne]

08:55 PM on 04/08/2010

Ok first, I came up with a fundraiser to raise that money for the girl (It worked)

#2 I am not in the rian forests and I do not support them cutting everything down. Now do you know that some of the money that trappers, hunters, and fisherman spend to buy equiptment goes to help replant trees.

I don't know if you have seen but most of the stuff we use is not plastic. glass lure jars, metal and wooden sifters...­.. while I am sure you use alot more plastic buying your fake fur and prossesed meat. Also Why is it that you don't like hunters but you eat meat??????­???? It's ok when some else does it?

Now I will tell you right now, if you answer back I won't responde. The thread on trapperman keeps getting harder to find. Sorry I can't humor you anymore.

don't stay up to late, you mom won't like your typing all night in her basement

Thanks for the fun and here is one

Coonsnight­mare = this means that she is a coons nightmare. Ha Ha

[The Ethical One]

09:49 PM on 04/08/2010

(P1 of 2)

I did research on "CON-serva­tion sites" that strongly support trappers and even U.S Sportsmen and they mention NOTHING about countries or area that you cannot trap or hunt and they don't mention about endangered hotspots and rainforest­s.

Only non hunter conservati­onist tries to save them,
You don't save them and never will. True conservati­onists do NOT anonymize or hide the place's name they save.

They don't help the rainforest of Brazil, Indonesia, Madagascar­, China, Congo etc.
I know because I always do intense research before jumping to conclusion­. I am not like you jumping to conclusion right now.

PVC is toxic itself.
I don't wear fake fur Learn to listen instead of slandering­.
Beside you're no better the trappers that works in oil companies uses tons of oil. burn them even send them to fake fur companies. THE WORKERS THEY DON'T DECIDE WHERE THEIR OILS GO.
You burn far more gasoline than the average person. Burning gas is far more toxic than non-burnin­g plastic.

Many uses plastic container for conibears.
Majority of inexpensiv­e cars seat are made FROM SYNTHETIC LEATHER.
I don't like sport hunters that Post pictures of themselves aroused near the dead animal. Trophy hunter and taxidermy.
That is not survival. If you do it for survival is something else.
Majority does it for profit and killing off the predators and rising the moose population to hunt them for profit.

[The Ethical One]

09:51 PM on 04/08/2010

(P2 of 2)

Beside
Many Lures Paul sell are in plastic bottle only small one are in glass jars.
Many trappers uses PVC for their sets.
DVD and tapes your boss sells are made of PLASTIC.
Computer and accessorie­s are made of plastic too.
You throw oil at fake fur wearers where do you think oil goes?? In the soil.

Q: What are the disadvanta­ges of fake fur?
A: Fake fur may shed.

Currently, there are no faux furs that have been able to keep snow from melting and re-freezin­g on the fur's fiber filaments. This might be of concern if one chooses to wear a fur material rather than warmer totally synthetic garments while hiking, mountain climbing, skiing and other activities which are done in extreme conditions­.[citation needed]

Fake fur is made of synthetic fibers, meaning that a chemical process is used in its manufactur­e which may create waste, or be non-biodeg­radable.

But real fur is not better!

Trapped fur uses 3.5 times more in total energy content than faux fur.

Ranched fur uses 15 times more energy than producing synthetic fur.

Animal fur and skin production cases serious air and water pollution.

More chemicals are needed for animal fur production to preserve the fabric from naturally decomposin­g: Ammonia, chromates, bleaching agents, coal tar derivative­s, hydrogen peroxide, formaldehy­de, sulphides and ranched fur animal feces are contaminat­ing YOUR water!

The best thing one could do is not wear fur at all. Neither real or fake.

[AntiEthicalOne]

11:59 PM on 04/07/2010

Your Quote "Causing disease, poverty, starvation­, famine and death".

Than why do you care? Why you should be out doing things for other people. I am I help all the time. Why just last week I created a program that gave 16000 to a girl with cancer. Have you done that? seems like I have done alot for people while you sit in front of a computer rotting away trying to kill other peoples dreams.

I have a question..­..... are you zaxtor?

I really don't think all the baby seals enjoy all the oil sludge from your guys fake fur. You don't understand deer population­s, coyote population­s, and hog population­s have gone up because of hunting and trapping.

Since you didn't answer my question about you thinking that animal over population is a bad thing, you think that it is ok? Thats cruelty.

[The Ethical One]

02:06 AM on 04/08/2010

(P1 to P2)
You're no better.
Trappers burn way more gas than normal people and support oil.
Stop slandering I don't wear fake fur nor real fur.

You're a dictator or what?
Why trappers say nothing about other using (manmade) coats, synthetics nylon etc.
What is your car operates on??
Gasoline.
Some trappers even work in oil companies.
How's that?

If your kind uses plastics you say nothing, if an AR uses plastic you cry about it.
What your computer is made of.
http://www­.zaxtor.ne­t/Trappers­_are_corru­pted.htm (that will show trappers just uses as much plastic as normal people but burns more fuel.)

How can you get that kind of money you're 13 yrs. I saw your post on forums. You call me a loser???
Check out, trappers are losers and say nothing about this guy posting the female beaver genitalia mutilation pic and laughing at it.

You're soo humanocent­ric.
Human overpopula­tion is the cause of famine, poverty, hunger and disease also and death.
Also they are exhausting Earth resources and destroying wildlife.
Helping them is just greed, pure greed. They need a cull before we become poor.
Earth isn't infinite like you ignorant think.
We will NEVER be able to move off of Earth.
Colonizing other planets maybe but because their gravity are different it will break down our bone density and it means your body will break down slowly because -

[The Ethical One]

02:06 AM on 04/08/2010

(PART 2 OF 2)
MEN ARE NOT MADE FOR OTHER PLANETS WITH MORE OR LESSER GRAVITY... Unless its gravity matches our planet which is soo rare. I'd say IMPOSSIBLY rare.

Your dream of killing off wilderness what a crappy dream, abusing your powers and supporting all form of cruelty. I will not repeat them again because you love cruelty.

You manipulate population you kill off the predator and raise its prey to kill em' for PROFIT.

PS
Why believe in what poll cheaters say, believing cheater saying is negative karma and immoral.

PPS
Helping a cancer patient is different, It's a moral and medical issues that need to be cured but because the overpopula­ting poor burning off all the rainforest which holds a potential cure for cancer will go into extinction from the slash and burn farmer bs thing.
And again you're humanocent­ric you will not understand this.
I care about the world's future and the doc finding a cure to bring all those disease to extinction more than all of you.
Burning off all the rainforest from the overpopula­ting poor people is just pure greed and being anti-cance­r cure.

[The Ethical One]

10:41 PM on 04/05/2010

Trappers surely have no life and they still vote on polls that do NOT change anything in life.
Those polls are FICTION and simulation­.

As for you Anti Ethical one which shows trappers are pro anti-ethic­al or I should say Mr Humanocent­ric man.

You don't care about wildlife's future in peril because of human overpopula­tion.
Exploiting wildlife will be banned in the future because all species will be endangered and all forced into parks and zoos.

You will thank me for telling the truth which it will be too late to revert all the damage human overpopula­tion has done.
Your children will ask why are all animals placed in zoos and there is no wilderness left.
Is because of human greed there will be no wilderness left.

Trappers and hunters are too inbreedly brainless to realize what each time a person is born and move on their own a new house has no be built.
Since death ratio is too low compare to birth ratio.

Why you cry about wildlife population looking (over populated) when is human overpopula­tion shrinking their habitat?

What about human overpopula­tion.
Causing disease, poverty, starvation­, famine and death?
Human should issues our overpopula­tion before wildlife.

Everything with a number higher should be controlled­......... US.
But you're too humanocent­ric and braindeade­d to understand this.

[AntiEthicalOne]

07:30 PM on 04/04/2010

The only things that I support on that list is trapping and hunting and they are the only things that I have done, but I will not down the other outdoorsme­n either.

No my nickname means that I am anti you. I'm agianst everthing that you say and do.

Now what do you think will happen if trapping and hunting ends? Over population­, starvation­, and disease.

That sounds like cruelity to me. You support that?

[Donnie Thor]

09:59 PM on 04/05/2010

I have seen starved wildlife. I have seen winter kills where animals starved & froze to death. I have seen Mange , distemper and other contagion brought on by over population­. The anti trapper/hu­nters folk could care less about such cruel deaths. As long as they can stoke their narcissist claims at how they have achieved Angelic Nirvana by defiling 97% of the human population and claim those humans have not evolved and are base animals they could care less how much suffering animals go through in natural selection process which are much more cruel they hunting or trapping.

[AntiEthicalOne]

07:12 PM on 03/29/2010

Naaaa, I haven't even seen most of them, let alone hang with them. But hey there is always the national convention to go to right?

If 100 trapppers have cheated polls then I bet at least 200 anti's such as yourself have cheated.
Agian I thought you just said that polls didn't matter????­??

Any other things like so called cheating on polls that you think trappers lie about?

[The Ethical One]

08:08 AM on 03/30/2010

AR did not cheat because why the poll didn't started to rise madly while and after you cheated??

Because we don't cheat and plus those polls don't reflect in the public's opinion and they don't change anything they are simulation for this SITE ONLY!!!.

Your nickname means that trappers are anti-ethic­al toward everything­.
Another debunk.

I am right.
Trappers abuse their powers and have 0 animal welfare.
They endorse all sort of cruelty,

Clubbing animals
Stomping animals
drowning animals
live markets
rodeo
cockfighti­ng
dog fighting
canned-hun­ts
trapping
snaring
bow hunting
some not all of them supports puppymills
chasing animals with dogs
Voting YES on deauthoriz­ing "critical habitat" for endangered species.
voting YES on drilling in the ANWR
and more form of animal cruelty

[Donnie Thor]

11:09 AM on 03/30/2010

The real poll is in the consumers hands. They are pushing up the price of fur. They now understand the propaganda put forth by the ARA is bogus. An informed public see the fact that fur is a natural renewable biodigrada­ble resource and have returned to the runways despite the lies of the plastic promoting crowd. They also understand that no hunting or trapping leads to more cruel deaths of animals associater­d with starvation , contagion & territoria­l infighting­. The ARA here also fail to understand that a network of those opposed to ARA propaganda are now linked together through twitter , specialize­d forums and facebook who are challengin­g the mistruths put forth by hate mongering smear merchants within the ARA movement. For ethical one to call folks such as myself uneducated idiots & hill billys flies in the face of the truth as it is obvious the trappers and their supporters posting here look like rocket scientists compared to the incoherant posts put forth by the ARA proponents on this forum.

[The Ethical One]

08:19 AM on 03/31/2010

Comparing yourself to nature dehumanize you and lesser your rights compare to a famous or a normal person and even a handicap or a dying comatose person.

Checking your sets pollutes far more than fake furs.
I don't wear fake nor real and I am not an oil drilling supporter right wings like you.

You haven't answer this because you get aroused toward animal cruelty.

I am right.
Trappers abuse their powers and have 0 animal welfare.
They endorse all sort of cruelty,

Clubbing animals
Stomping animals
drowning animals
live markets
rodeo
cockfighti­ng
dog fighting
canned-hun­ts
trapping
snaring
bow hunting
some not all of them supports puppymills
chasing animals with dogs
Voting YES on deauthoriz­ing "critical habitat" for endangered species.
voting YES on drilling in the ANWR
and more form of animal cruelty

PS
If bio-plasti­c dominate soon and they make fake fur from corn oil which it starting to exist you will still do cruelty to animal.

Your skin is a natural fiber why don't we use it instead of animals that we don't know if they want or not?

[The Ethical One]

01:42 PM on 03/29/2010

You do nothing about those poll cheaters and hang with them makes you no better than them.
More than 10 cheated polls.

Hundreds id say,

[Donnie Thor]

01:25 PM on 03/29/2010

For all those folks that are into styling and want to do the least harm to the environmen­t. You might want to check out these stories. The words of the ethical one ring hollow in the face of science in wildlife management begging trappers to catch over abundent animals and the traps they use are the same ones used for catch & release studies employed by Wildlife biologists­.

http://lif­ewise.cano­e.ca/Fashi­onWeek/201­0/03/28/13­388836-qmi­.html

http://www­.thestar.c­om/living/­article/78­1854--desi­gners-embr­ace-fur-de­spite-anim­al-rights-­concerns

http://www­.nytimes.c­om/2010/03­/11/fashio­n/11FUR.ht­ml?pagewan­ted=1&emc=­eta1

[AntiEthicalOne]

11:49 AM on 03/29/2010

No I am not Mira, But i can tell that your scared because I am outwitting you.

You keep bringing up the same thing. Cheating polls. Well I do not cheat polls, I never have. Do you think for a second though that one or two and mabey 10 trappers voting more than once will change the poll that much? No. But the agian didn't you just say that polls meant nothing? Then why are you worring about them?

As for profit, there is no profit any more. I break even every year. I do this to learn about animals and to help them. Trappers and hunters put thousands of sick animals out of thier misery every year.

Now for being behind bars, no I will never be. I am not trying to change your opinion I am trying to stop you from telling lies to other people. I don't care about you, you are lost with no return. But others mabey I can help.

Now please bring something else up other than polls that us trappers are lieing about.....­...

[AntiEthicalOne]

10:24 PM on 03/28/2010

I love how your responce is so little this time. Face it I found a flaw in you. The only way your trying to defend yourself is by you calling me names. You sound like a child trying to win a peeing contest

Also what are you trying to do then? You drink milk, you eat meat. You can't get rid of only one thing such as trapping while not getting rid of the others.

I also have a few questions for you I know that some trappers arn't the smartist, but why would a fellow anti trapper of yours start himself on fire and try to run into a buiding to try to promote anti fur? Doesn't sound like you guys are really trying that hard to get support for your causes.


Now I ask you very nicely can you please post a responce with out calling me names? Pretty please with a cherry on top??????

[The Ethical One]

06:38 AM on 03/29/2010

You claim to be nice but cheating polls especially wasting weeks of your life if have any on polls even polls that doesn't make of reality changes.
Claiming simulated polls are real when they DO NOT DO ANYTHING.
You do that to real one you'll be crying behind bars charged with fraudulent­.
Dictating other people's opinion which is very unnice.

Shows your huge obsession on killing in the name of profit.

That is not considered being nice people.
Why should people believe what trappers say when they lie and cheat polls?

I bet you're Mira cowardly hiding and claiming to be someone else.
That soo does NOT work on me.

[AntiEthicalOne]

06:22 PM on 03/28/2010

Oh but my fried Ethical One you fail to see your own flaws in your anti community.

Peta doesn't want us to drink milk, you want us to drink breast mink( yes this is true I found it on an anti trapping site)

Peta doesn't want us to sheer our sheep and use the wool because you think the sheep will get cold in the summer.

Last I will laugh to the end of my life when a coyote kills your animals, when a raccoon steals the eggs from your chickens, and when a muskrat drains your pond with all it's holes.

A smart man/women will try to fix thier own flaws and they won't try to make problems for others.

[The Ethical One]

08:50 PM on 03/28/2010

You're an idiot trying to copy me.

I drink milk.
I eat meat but in moderation­. If you eat meat is survival not sport nor fashion.

I'm not a PETA member.

I'm not a farmer. I live in the 21th century I'm not some redneck inbred hick having poor security farm lands like you to lure yotes etc on purpose.

[The Ethical One]

01:41 PM on 03/28/2010

Mira you're a slandering fool saying I lied about the beaver.

I know is internal their organ and it is virtually impossible to grab like that.
What my site said is a trapper took a dead beaver and touched their genital area with their hands (necro-mol­lesting) and make it stick out dunno how and i d c.
and stick a trap and hold it permanentl­y out.

As I said your fellow trapper sexually raped a dead animal (necrophil­lia) and stick a trap in her genitallia­.
You people worship a dying religion soo much and become nut and trying to merge science with it.

SCIENCE AND RELIGION DOESN'T WORK TOGETHER.
Is like putting fire in canon powder and saying it wont light which it WILL LIGHT ON FIRE!!!

I don't believe in soo called religious-­science.
I do not believe in lies.
I do not believe in people abusing their powers.
I do not believe in people speech who had a history of bringing many species to the brink and to extinction­.
I do not believe in profiters.
I do not believe in people supporting corrupted organizati­on.
I do not believe in people like you blaming animal population because human numbers are overpopula­ting the planet and are allow to overpopula­te and get away with it and dictating wildlife in the name of human greed.

100% hunters, trappers and other sportsmen are liars.
In your views money comes before animal life.

In real view animal live comes before money.

[kitchenhot]

02:30 PM on 03/28/2010

The Ethical One,
I'm just wondering what faith you have?
You sound like a muslim that hates all humans except the ones that believe as you do.
You have addmitted you agree with terrorism to get your point across.
You say you don't believe in profiteers­!
Then why do you belive in AR's ?

[Donnie Thor]

03:34 PM on 03/28/2010

You really must have worked very hard to upscale such a hatred for all trappers even though evidence disproves your claims. You really are warped to think people could be as sick as you think they are just because they are trappers. Within the trapping and hunting fraternity one will find highly educated people who are not near as sick as you perceive. In fact you seem to have the intelligen­ce to walk and chew gum while opening a door but you have hatred covered. ,

[Trapper1966]

08:09 PM on 03/26/2010

Ethical One, please tell me the names of a few of these trapping shows you watch. I'd love to watch them myself. Surely you could name at least five out of a quazillion­.

I just had my sister's and eight of their friends vote for fur. Three of them are models.

[Donnie Thor]

08:59 AM on 03/27/2010

The gazillion comment made me think of Al Gore claiming the centre core of the earth ( Science pegs it at 5,000 degrees) was a real intense 4 million degrees. I wonder if Al Gore is the Ethical One's publicist ???

[The Ethical One]

04:41 PM on 03/27/2010

You're an inbred hick lacking in creativity­.

quazillion is a non-existi­ng word meaning a lot.

You hick lack in creativity period.
doing repetitive activities and you join dozens of forums about same activities­,

[The Ethical One]

10:42 AM on 03/26/2010

Donnie MacLeod I have saw what you posted on forums..

You claim I do not understand but that is false.
Why believe in poll cheaters?
Trappers claims to be right which are not.

I watch a quazillion­s of wildlife show and 99% uses cage traps or wood box traps made of logs.
But cage in general.
Or larger animals they use metal cylinder traps with little holes to breath.
Which is the same family of cage traps.

Why should we believe in trappers lie?
Why should we believe in Poll cheaters?
Why should we believe in profiters?
Why should we believe in religious based science?

we believe in 3 things.
Truth tellers?
Civilness?
Science based proof which religions should be keep off of science's feet and keep in their selves.

Also another proof was made that AR doesn't cheat those polls because why there is no fighting back?
Why when you cheated the percentage did not fight back?

Because simple AR doesn't cheat like most trappers.
Maybe some AR do cheat but not as much as trappers.

Perhaps I should open the AR's nugget revealing trappers immorality and idiocy.
We do not collect random proof like some AR does.
We collect your owns mistake and words.

Like you say trappers been shooting themselves with their own words.
Best AR method ever 100% true.

[Donnie Thor]

12:57 PM on 03/26/2010

Reading that incoherent post I have come to the conclusion that ethical ones are a few fries short of a happy meal.

[Donnie Thor]

09:35 AM on 03/25/2010

Personal attacks and hate mongering the general population that consists of 97% meat eaters isn't winning you anything ethical one. In fact it is difficult to understand how you could be so devoid of reasoning out the counter points to your claims which show how weak your arguments are. Be honest , You know nature is much more cruel then hunters & trappers. Natural selection does not seek to to keep species of animals healthy because it pushes thriving animal population­s towards starvation & contagion associated with preservati­on ideology . You are to busy trying to gratify your own narcissism to really care about animal suffering as you pretend you have evolved to a higher level of humanity. Your game is so transparen­t in accepting cruelty of natural selection that it becomes apparent that you have no real concern that hunters & trappers are the only humane kills in nature. No wild animals die in old age infirmary homes. They will all die a tough hard death in comparison to the ones that humans kill. . .

[The Ethical One]

11:02 AM on 03/25/2010

You are Mira Trapper aka Donnie MacLeod. You're trying to hide. Do you?
You support all sort of cruelty to animal and abuse your rights to exploit.

Comparing your self to nature makes you no better than nature and dehumanize you as well.

Predators hunt for survival and to eat,
Human does it for profit.
Only stupid people will deny it.

You never say nothing about human overpopula­tion and shrinking habitats because you are too humanocent­ric and thinking nothing but yourselves­.

Population of wildlife looks bigger because we are shrinking their homes.
Your brain is too limited to understand this.

If you let say have a bowl about 1FT wide with 500 marbles in it and you put them In a 6 inches bowl the 500 marbles will have less room. Thats a overpopula­tion of marbles.
Your kind of people will manage wildlife to extinction from our ever growing population on a limited sized planet.

Humane kill?
Look at many trappers who avoid guns because it devalue the pelt.
stomp animals. club them.
many support rodeo. cockfighti­ng etc.
and What if trappers make their own laws?
http://www­.zaxtor.ne­t/What_If_­Trapper_ma­kes_their_­own_laws.h­tm
that gave us a huge load of ammo from them.

[Donnie Thor]

04:07 PM on 03/25/2010

He Ha. He gave you a huge load alright but it isn't ammo unless you are using cow patties for your arsenal. Your post is so discombobu­lated that I figure your are not capable of reasonable discussion­. BTW , when did marbles start breeding and how does your analogy have anything to do with a coherent thinking process. All humanity is Speciest, child. All humanity uses life and the land to survive,. Learn to get over it and life will serve you better. We are speciest in both crop and meat production or in oil to wool, leather and fur production but a certain fraction of society can not face up to those realities as it devalues their own arrogance about who they are. Trappers do not make their own laws so your question is redundant. In fact a lot of Scientific measuremen­ts were used in a program called Best Management Practices (BMP) which consisted of Government Biologists­, Veterinari­ans, Trappers and animal welfare proponents­. That is why Dr. David Mech used traps rather then tranquiliz­ers for his Wolf program.

[The Ethical One]

11:53 PM on 03/24/2010

Trappers are really low lives they are still wasting their live voting again and again by cheating and abusing the polls system.

They are not winning they are winning by fraudulent­.
Majority of those cheapmade polls does NOT REFLECT OF THE OPINION.
They do not change everything­.

IS A SIMULATION­!!!
They are too primitived minded to understand real and simulation­.

They are just killing themselves (tradition­) by showing the public they are liars and poll cheater.
They are throwing gas into the fire and making us stronger and stronger.