Gun-Toting Visitors Heading To National Parks

AOL:

Teddy Roosevelt couldn't bring a gun into Yellowstone National Park, but soon anyone with a permit will be able to shoulder a shotgun as they watch Old Faithful erupt.

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Comments

[lipstickpig]

01:42 AM on 03/03/2010

whoops sorry
I SHOT YOUR KIDS-
I Just Thought they were bears in our camp stealing food??

[Randall Breneman]

11:24 AM on 03/07/2010

If that ever happened, it would be the fault of the parents who dressed their children like a 1200 lbs bear and let them wander off into other people's camps.

Just kidding. We all know that the 90 million gunowners in this country shoot at anything that moves without bothering to identify their targets.

[GoldenBoy22]

09:48 AM on 03/01/2010

Gee why would anyone feel the need to protect them selves in a National Park or a National Forest? They are crime free zones Right?
http://www.detnews.com/article/20100301/NATION/3010361/-1/rss

"Not far from Yosemite's waterfalls and in the middle of California's redwood forests, Mexican drug gangs are quietly commandeering U.S. public land to grow millions of marijuana plants and using smuggled immigrants to cultivate them."

"Pot has been grown on public lands for decades, but Mexican traffickers have taken it to a whole new level: using armed guards and trip wires to safeguard sprawling plots that in some cases contain tens of thousands of plants offering a potential yield of more than 30 tons of pot a year."

Many of the plots are encircled with crude explosives and are patrolled by guards armed with AK-47s who survey the perimeter from the ground and from perches high in the trees.

"The Sequoia National Forest in central California is covered in a patchwork of pot fields, most of which are hidden along mountain creeks and streams, far from hiking trails. It's the same situation in the nearby Yosemite, Sequoia and Redwood national parks."

From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100301/NATION/3010361/-1/rss#ixzz0gw7KVYZX

[mackbolan]

05:09 AM on 02/28/2010

@toon who said..."Does the one I manufactured last week in my garage machine shop count?

.45 Long Colt - awesome !"...

again you fail....there are at least 2 states that exempt guns made in their respective states and are kept in their respective states from atf regs.....

[Toonadude]

11:43 AM on 02/28/2010

Mack:

There's a 48 out of 50 chance that I live in a state that does not exempt this practice ---- but you played it safe and concluded that I have "failed" although I don't know what I've failed at or how you could have arrived at that conclusion without knowing where I live. Furthermore, I don't see where you took on Tird for his failure in making his uniformed conclusion about me. Oh, I forgot, in this world, criticizing Tird's comment --- however incorrect it may be --- would mean that you support me --- can't have that -- now can we?

[djcrsn]

12:02 PM on 02/28/2010

Tunafud--for someone who supposedly supports an INDIVIDUAL right to own firearms, you certainly have a strange obsession--namely attacking people that agree with you on that topic--which would seem to indicate that you are actually a Bradybot

[MycroftHolmes28]

10:28 AM on 02/26/2010

While we're on the subject, can anyone name the make and model of an illegal gun?

[Toonadude]

01:07 PM on 02/26/2010

Does the one I manufactured last week in my garage machine shop count?

.45 Long Colt - awesome !

[Thirdpower]

03:50 PM on 02/26/2010

So you're admitting to committing a felony?

[mackbolan]

08:25 PM on 02/28/2010

personally i fail to see what sense or point you are trying to make...since i pointed out that the gun you made may be legal....by your comments one could gather that all the other pro-rkba people are somehow illegitimate because we question the definition of "illegal gun"....

[legaleagle 45]

01:06 AM on 02/26/2010

Sadly, we can add some more things to the long list of fabrications employed by Lynn Oge...

Lynn Oge wrote: "LegalBeagle is pretending there's no such thing as an "illegal gun."

Nope, never said or implied such a thing. Try again.

Lynn Oge wrote: "Of course, denial is a bit fruitless"

Hardly fruitless because I never said it or implied it. So if I did, you can easily cut and paste what I said to prove your claim... but you wont, cuz I never said it. or implied it.

So we can add this one to list which includes the filing of the firing pin to make a full auto, the 300 meteorite deaths per annum, the 300 gang related homicides per annum... etc, etc, etc, etc.

Lynn Oge, if you had any credibility I would be upset with your false accusations, but with you I just consider the source. LOL.

[Lynn Oge]

06:40 PM on 02/25/2010

Sadly, LegalBeagle is pretending there's no such thing as an "illegal gun."

It's OK; he's merely parroting the NRA and Chairman Wayne who would much rather deny there's such a term than address the problem.

Of course, denial is a bit fruitless when one can Google "illegal guns" and find it is used by most news outlets, police groups, the ATF, political figures and groups, and even fans of the NRA.

LegalBeagle claims to be a lawyer; he even claims to be smarter than some USSC justices. Yet, it's not difficult to find many, many attorneys, judges and legal scholars using the term LegalBeagle claims does not exist.

[Thirdpower]

07:36 PM on 02/25/2010

Why does Jade'lynn keep avoiding his claim that the BATFE opposes Tiarht?

He said it was 'fact'. Why won't he provide any evidence?

Does he have 'special insight'?

[mackbolan]

08:01 PM on 02/25/2010

do illegal aliens live in our country...yes or no.....

[djcrsn]

03:07 PM on 02/25/2010

Jadelynn keeps playing top of the thread with LIES--I wonder when she will learn the truth is far more effective

[DreamWeaver2nd]

09:45 PM on 02/25/2010

The truth, DJ, is something you cannot recognize. Lynn Oge reports the truth.

[mike102]

01:36 AM on 02/26/2010

Oh it's so nice to see one pathological liar stick-up for another.

[djcrsn]

02:31 AM on 02/26/2010

sorry DW--your fear and ignorance has blinded you

[Lynn Oge]

01:54 PM on 02/25/2010

When will gunowners step up and take responsibility?

Facts to remember: every gun that is used in a crime starts out as a legal firearm. Thus, when a criminal or mentally deranged person commits a firearm-related crime, at some point the perpetrator was helped or abetted by the "law-abiding citizen."

If we look at the cases of NRA member Christopher Speight and NRA superstar Bruco Eastwood, we see some similarities. Both had easy and unfettered access to firearms. This despite the fact both NRA member Christopher Speight and NRA superstar Bruco Eastwood had "issues" well-known to those who knew them. These issues included hearing voices, extreme paranoia, building backyard bunkers, anti-social behavior, alcohol/drug abuse, run-ins with the law, inability to hold a job, etc. Yet, NRA member Christopher Speight and NRA superstar Bruco Eastwood easily obtained firearms to commit their crimes.

[legaleagle 45]

03:06 PM on 02/25/2010

Lynn wrote: "When will gunowners step up and take responsibility?"

When will Lynn step up and take responsibility for the untold number of false and misleading posts that he has made?

"Facts to remember: every gun that is used in a crime starts out as a legal firearm. Thus, when a criminal or mentally deranged person commits a firearm-related crime, at some point the perpetrator was helped or abetted by the "law-abiding citizen.."

Facts to remember: every car that is used in a drunk driving accident starts out as a legal car. Thus, when a drunk or alcoholic person causes a drinking related accident, at some point the perpatrator was helped or abetted by the "law abidding citizen".

You wish to condemn all gun owners and cloak them with the guilt of a few.. whether it be the criminal themselves or the ones who directly provided the firearm to the criminal. You can properly condemn the specific "law abidding citizen" who purposefully provides a firearm to a criminal, just as you can condemn the bartender who purposefully provided alcohol to a visibly intoxicated patron or knowingly allowed a person who has had their license suspended due to a DUII to purchase their vehicle. What you can not justly do is to condemn all gun owners, just as you can not condemn all bartenders and all car owners...

[Thirdpower]

04:00 PM on 02/25/2010

More Jade/Lynn 'facts':

He claimed that you can make a machinegun by filing down a firing pin. Note that by doing that, there would be no way to fire the gun.

He claimed that Chicago's population is higher than it was in 1980 even though it's 100K less and that the Census Bureau was wrong.

He claimed Chicago has a population of 9.7 million, not knowing the difference between a city and a MSA.

He claimed that there are over 300 deaths in the US by meteorite strikes each year yet has been unable to find a single one

He also claimed Chicago and LA account for over 125% of the gang murders in the US each year. (no, not a typo) and that the US murder rate is 50% higher than it actually is since the FBI is ly.ing to us.”

[Toonadude]

04:36 PM on 02/25/2010

"... filing down a firing pin."

Is there no end to this "skritch" ........ PULLLEASEE !!!!!

[lipstickpig]

01:44 AM on 03/03/2010

Guns are BAD
do we need to kill all the time-
what is the point behind guns?
not for hunting? Killing for drugs !
and Jealous Lovers -

[Thirdpower]

07:26 PM on 02/24/2010

photo

So Jade/Lynn admits to not being able to support his claim that the BATFE opposes the Tiahrt amendment.

There's a word for deliberately making statements that aren't true.

[Thirdpower]

01:15 PM on 02/24/2010

Jade'Lynn likes making claims and then not supporting them. His latest is that the BATFE opposes the Tiarht amendment. So far he's refused to provide any support for this one either.

There's a word for making statements one knows aren't true.

More Jade/Lynn 'facts':

He claimed that you can make a machinegun by filing down a firing pin. Note that by doing that, there would be no way to fire the gun.

He claimed that Chicago's population is higher than it was in 1980 even though it's 100K less and that the Census Bureau was wrong.

He claimed Chicago has a population of 9.7 million, not knowing the difference between a city and a MSA.

He claimed that there are over 300 deaths in the US by meteorite strikes each year yet has been unable to find a single one

He also claimed Chicago and LA account for over 125% of the gang murders in the US each year. (no, not a typo) and that the US murder rate is 50% higher than it actually is since the FBI is ly.ing to us.”

[SlurmsMcKenzie]

11:02 PM on 02/22/2010

i myself have been anti-gun for years as i know the gun nuts of my region because as a child i spent many week-ends at gun swaps in the 70's, but as political events have accelerated in a direction I do not care for i have become convinced that as the right wing arms, perhaps it is time for the left to arm.Just a thought.Oh, and legally, of course.

[mike102]

02:17 PM on 02/23/2010

About half the gun owners in this country are liberal-leaning democrats and independents, including about half of the pro-gun posters here.

[Lynn Oge]

11:53 AM on 02/24/2010

Mike 102 has trouble with what is third grade math.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/21496/gun-ownership-higher-among-republicans-than-democrats.aspx

[DreamWeaver2nd]

03:26 AM on 02/25/2010

Mike:
That's not true.

[DreamWeaver2nd]

03:25 AM on 02/25/2010

McKenzie:
That's a very pat comment.
Is it a set-up?
A great ad for selling more guns, though.
Just the thing the NRA wants.

[Thirdpower]

04:04 PM on 02/25/2010

DW replies "nuh uh".

[Lynn Oge]

10:28 PM on 02/22/2010

Sadly, we catch LegalBeagle being, well, less than truthful.

Legal writes:

"The rate of gun possession per capita in countries like Canada, Denmark, England, Ireland or Japan are a very tiny fraction of that in the U.S."

To support this hypothesis he cites Violence, Guns, and Drugs: A Cross-Country Analysis, by
Jeffrey A. Miron,.Journal of Law and Economics, Vol. 44, No. 2, Part 2

I suggest that you read it Jade.... espescially this part: “A more detailed examination of this evidence, however, suggests that the role of gun control/availability is not compelling.... [t]here is no statistically significant relationship between guns and murder rates.”

Note LegalBeagle takes a reference for international gun possession and conflates it to a comparison of gun control and crime.

But let's read Miron, shall we? In his study, Miron measures gun control on a 3 point scale:
(0) - no controls
(1) - some controls
(2) - complete ban


Per Miron, the US and UK have exactly the same amount of gun control.

[djcrsn]

04:57 AM on 02/23/2010

jadelynn prevaricates again

[Thirdpower]

07:28 AM on 02/23/2010

And according to Jade/Lynn, that would be Zero. Right? That is what he claimed earlier.

"OE also fails to note the US has never had gun control."

Isn't that what you said Jade?

And none of it, by your own cited report, has any direct causality to firearm laws.

Now when will you show your evidence that the BATFE opposes Tiahrt? You claimed the new director changed the policy.

Cite it.

[AlwaysCivil]

08:54 PM on 02/22/2010

There are lots of items that can transform the intent of fallible humans into lethal outcomes. Guns have only existed for a relatively short time, and prior to this humans found all sorts of ways to kill eachother -- rocks, clubs, knives, hot oil, spears, bows and arrows, poisons, etc etc. In more modern times we have automobiles, tall buildings, even small and large airplanes. So the argument that guns are somehow "special" in this regards really has no merit.

But the most basic question for gun controllers is why they think more laws would control gun crime. CRIMINALS (who by definition disregard laws) will be unaffected by stricter gun laws. Only law-abiding persons will respect gun laws, and these people by all accounts are not the problem.

[Lynn Oge]

09:00 PM on 02/22/2010

AC: For what you assert to be true, you must show that in other countries there is a substitution to other weapons that kill. IOW, if guns are not used or used infrequently--homicide by other means makes up the difference.

Of course, you cannot.

The facts are plain: among industrialized, first world nations--your chances of being a homicide victim are greatest in the US. A pretty sad legacy for a nation that is supposed to be the envy of the world.

[Thirdpower]

09:19 PM on 02/22/2010

And none of it, by your own cited report, has any direct causality to firearm laws.

Now when will you show your evidence that the BATFE opposes Tiahrt? You claimed the new director changed the policy.

Cite it.

[Lynn Oge]

07:45 PM on 02/22/2010

http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2010/0217_guns_law_kaufmann.aspx

Guns play a role by effectively translating fallible human intent into lethal outcomes. It is much more difficult to kill, even in the presence of deadly intent, if access to a gun and free movement with a loaded weapon is effectively limited.

Assume hypothetically that the same Amy Bishop, after obtaining her Ph.D., became a professor at a university in Europe or Asia. Even if that university had denied her academic tenure, following the same process and rationale as the University of Alabama did, her ability to inflict such lethal damage would have been significantly hindered by the stringent rules regarding access to and carrying of firearms in these regions.

Further, it may be the case that in a different setting she would have been more carefully vetted prior to being offered her university faculty position. If she had been vetted, a faculty job offer may have been denied or, even if offered, she certainly should have warranted a special watch. This is because Amy Bishop had fatally shot her own brother in Massachusetts over two decades ago using a legally registered gun from her home. Her past suggests that she had no problem accessing guns since her youth and using them with lethal results.

[Thirdpower]

07:48 PM on 02/22/2010

And why didn't she have a problem? Because a Brady endorsed congressman let her go while he was DA instead of investigating the facts.

Jade leaves that part out.

And we're still waiting for him to provide evidence of his previous claims. We know he won't. Instead he'll just play 'top of the post' w/ more irrelevant comments.

[OdinsEye]

07:54 PM on 02/22/2010

"It is much more difficult to kill, even in the presence of deadly intent, if access to a gun and free movement with a loaded weapon is effectively limited."

More expert opinion from the person who says you can make a semi-auto into a machine gun by filing down the firing pin.

The truth is using a knife to kill someone is not very difficult at all.

Obtaining a firearm in Europe is not all that difficult (I lived there for many years and shot and hunted in many European countries) and Bishop was already carrying illegally.

[Lynn Oge]

07:31 PM on 02/22/2010

http://www.brookings.edu/opinions/2010/0217_guns_law_kaufmann.aspx

Key graf:

The rate of gun possession per capita in countries like Canada, Denmark, England, Ireland or Japan are a very tiny fraction of that in the U.S. In England, for instance, there are about 6 guns per 100 residents, in Chile and Denmark about 12, in Canada 31, while in the United States there are about 90. And the rate of killings resulting from guns in America (32 per million population per year) is a multiple of that of other countries (1.6 per million in England, 2.6 in Denmark, 4.6 in Canada), as we see in this table. Further, there seems to be no compelling evidence that when gun laws are more stringent, there is a substitution to other weapons that kill.

[Thirdpower]

07:38 PM on 02/22/2010

Jade/Lynn claimed that the BATFE opposes the Tiahrt amendment. He refuses to provide any support for this assertion.

We can all guess why.

[legaleagle 45]

07:41 PM on 02/22/2010

Which explains why the suicide rate in Japan is greater than the combined homicide-suicide rate in the US.