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Joe Stack STATEMENT: Alleged Suicide Note From Austin Pilot Posted Online

First Posted: 04/20/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:35 PM ET

Joe Stack Statement
The Joe Stack statement found online coincides with a strange series of events, including Stack's house setting fire and a plane crash in Austin.

Full Joe Stack statement from Embedded Art:

If you're reading this, you're no doubt asking yourself, "Why did this have to happen?" The simple truth is that it is complicated and has been coming for a long time. The writing process, started many months ago, was intended to be therapy in the face of the looming realization that there isn't enough therapy in the world that can fix what is really broken. Needless to say, this rant could fill volumes with example after example if I would let it. I find the process of writing it frustrating, tedious, and probably pointless... especially given my gross inability to gracefully articulate my thoughts in light of the storm raging in my head. Exactly what is therapeutic about that I'm not sure, but desperate times call for desperate measures.

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy. Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all. We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers. Remember? One of these was "no taxation without representation". I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood. These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a "crackpot", traitor and worse.

While very few working people would say they haven't had their fair share of taxes (as can I), in my lifetime I can say with a great degree of certainty that there has never been a politician cast a vote on any matter with the likes of me or my interests in mind. Nor, for that matter, are they the least bit interested in me or anything I have to say.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it's time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country's leaders don't see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political "representatives" (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the "terrible health care problem". It's clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don't get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

And justice? You've got to be kidding!

How can any rational individual explain that white elephant conundrum in the middle of our tax system and, indeed, our entire legal system? Here we have a system that is, by far, too complicated for the brightest of the master scholars to understand. Yet, it mercilessly "holds accountable" its victims, claiming that they're responsible for fully complying with laws not even the experts understand. The law "requires" a signature on the bottom of a tax filing; yet no one can say truthfully that they understand what they are signing; if that's not "duress" than what is. If this is not the measure of atotalitarian regime, nothing is.

How did I get here?

My introduction to the real American nightmare starts back in the early '80s. Unfortunately after more than 16 years of school, somewhere along the line I picked up the absurd, pompous notion that I could read and understand plain English. Some friends introduced me to a group of people who were having 'tax code' readings and discussions. In particular, zeroed in on a section relating to the wonderful "exemptions" that make institutions like the vulgar, corrupt Catholic Church so incredibly wealthy. We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the "best", high-paid, experienced tax lawyers in the business), and then began to do exactly what the "big boys" were doing (except that we weren't steeling from our congregation or lying to the government about our massive profits in the name of God). We took a great deal of care to make it all visible, following all of the rules, exactly the way the law said it was to be done.

The intent of this exercise and our efforts was to bring about a much-needed re-evaluation of the laws that allow the monsters of organized religion to make such a mockery of people who earn an honest living. However, this is where I learned that there are two "interpretations" for every law; one for the very rich, and one for the rest of us... Oh, and the monsters are the very ones making and enforcing the laws; the inquisition is still alive and well today in this country.

That little lesson in patriotism cost me $40,000+, 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0. It made me realize for the first time that I live in a country with an ideology that is based on a total and complete lie. It also made me realize, not only how naive I had been, but also the incredible stupidity of the American public; that they buy, hook, line, and sinker, the crap about their "freedom"... and that they continue to do so with eyes closed in the face of overwhelming evidence and all that keeps happening in front of them.

Before even having to make a shaky recovery from the sting of the first lesson on what justice really means in this country (around 1984 after making my way through engineering school and still another five years of "paying my dues"), I felt I finally had to take a chance of launching my dream of becoming an independent engineer.

On the subjects of engineers and dreams of independence, I should digress somewhat to say that I'm sure that I inherited the fascination for creative problem solving from my father. I realized this at a very young age.

The significance of independence, however, came much later during my early years of college; at the age of 18 or 19 when I was living on my own as student in an apartment in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. My neighbor was an elderly retired woman (80+ seemed ancient to me at that age) who was the widowed wife of a retired steel worker. Her husband had worked all his life in the steel mills of central Pennsylvania with promises from big business and the union that, for his 30 years of service, he would have a pension and medical care to look forward to in his retirement. Instead he was one of the thousands who got nothing because the incompetent mill management and corrupt union (not to mention the government) raided their pension funds and stole their retirement. All she had was social security to live on.

In retrospect, the situation was laughable because here I was living on peanut butter and bread (or Ritz crackers when I could afford to splurge) for months at a time. When I got to know this poor figure and heard her story I felt worse for her plight than for my own (I, after all, I thought I had everything to in front of me). I was genuinely appalled at one point, as we exchanged stories and commiserated with each other over our situations, when she in her grandmotherly fashion tried to convince me that I would be "healthier" eating cat food (like her) rather than trying to get all my substance from peanut butter and bread. I couldn't quite go there, but the impression was made. I decided that I didn't trust big business to take care of me, and that I would take responsibility for my own future and myself.

Return to the early '80s, and here I was off to a terrifying start as a 'wet-behind-the-ears' contract software engineer... and two years later, thanks to the fine backroom, midnight effort by the sleazy executives of Arthur Andersen (the very same folks who later brought us Enron and other such calamities) and an equally sleazy New York Senator (Patrick Moynihan), we saw the passage of 1986 tax reform act with its section 1706.

For you who are unfamiliar, here is the core text of the IRS Section 1706, defining the treatment of workers (such as contract engineers) for tax purposes. Visit this link for a conference committee report (http://www.synergistech.com/1706.shtml#ConferenceCommitteeReport) regarding the intended interpretation of Section 1706 and the relevant parts of Section 530, as amended. For information on how these laws affect technical services workers and their clients, read our discussion here (http://www.synergistech.com/ic-taxlaw.shtml).

SEC. 1706. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN TECHNICAL PERSONNEL.

(a) IN GENERAL - Section 530 of the Revenue Act of 1978 is amended by adding at the end thereof the following new subsection:

(d) EXCEPTION. - This section shall not apply in the case of an individual who pursuant to an arrangement between the taxpayer and another person, provides services for such other person as an engineer, designer, drafter, computer programmer, systems analyst, or other similarly skilled worker engaged in a similar line of work.

(b) EFFECTIVE DATE. - The amendment made by this section shall apply to remuneration paid and services rendered after December 31, 1986.

Note:

· "another person" is the client in the traditional job-shop relationship.

· "taxpayer" is the recruiter, broker, agency, or job shop.

· "individual", "employee", or "worker" is you.

Admittedly, you need to read the treatment to understand what it is saying but it's not very complicated. The bottom line is that they may as well have put my name right in the text of section (d). Moreover, they could only have been more blunt if they would have came out and directly declared me a criminal and non-citizen slave. Twenty years later, I still can't believe my eyes.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my 'pocket change', and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time. I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity. This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their "freedom". Oh, and don't forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn't bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise. The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren't going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists). This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

Again, rewind my retirement plans back to 0 and shift them into idle. If I had any sense, I clearly should have left abandoned engineering and never looked back.

Instead I got busy working 100-hour workweeks. Then came the L.A. depression of the early 1990s. Our leaders decided that they didn't need the all of those extra Air Force bases they had in Southern California, so they were closed; just like that. The result was economic devastation in the region that rivaled the widely publicized Texas S&L fiasco. However, because the government caused it, no one gave a shit about all of the young families who lost their homes or street after street of boarded up houses abandoned to the wealthy loan companies who received government funds to "shore up" their windfall. Again, I lost my retirement.

Years later, after weathering a divorce and the constant struggle trying to build some momentum with my business, I find myself once again beginning to finally pick up some speed. Then came the .COM bust and the 911 nightmare. Our leaders decided that all aircraft were grounded for what seemed like an eternity; and long after that, 'special' facilities like San Francisco were on security alert for months. This made access to my customers prohibitively expensive. Ironically, after what they had done the Government came to the aid of the airlines with billions of our tax dollars ... as usual they left me to rot and die while they bailed out their rich, incompetent cronies WITH MY MONEY! After these events, there went my business but not quite yet all of my retirement and savings.

By this time, I'm thinking that it might be good for a change. Bye to California, I'll try Austin for a while. So I moved, only to find out that this is a place with a highly inflated sense of self-importance and where damn little real engineering work is done. I've never experienced such a hard time finding work. The rates are 1/3 of what I was earning before the crash, because pay rates here are fixed by the three or four large companies in the area who are in collusion to drive down prices and wages... and this happens because the justice department is all on the take and doesn't give a fuck about serving anyone or anything but themselves and their rich buddies.

To survive, I was forced to cannibalize my savings and retirement, the last of which was a small IRA. This came in a year with mammoth expenses and not a single dollar of income. I filed no return that year thinking that because I didn't have any income there was no need. The sleazy government decided that they disagreed. But they didn't notify me in time for me to launch a legal objection so when I attempted to get a protest filed with the court I was told I was no longer entitled to due process because the time to file ran out. Bend over for another $10,000 helping of justice.

So now we come to the present. After my experience with the CPA world, following the business crash I swore that I'd never enter another accountant's office again. But here I am with a new marriage and a boatload of undocumented income, not to mention an expensive new business asset, a piano, which I had no idea how to handle. After considerable thought I decided that it would be irresponsible NOT to get professional help; a very big mistake.

When we received the forms back I was very optimistic that they were in order. I had taken all of the years information to Bill Ross, and he came back with results very similar to what I was expecting. Except that he had neglected to include the contents of Sheryl's unreported income; $12,700 worth of it. To make matters worse, Ross knew all along this was missing and I didn't have a clue until he pointed it out in the middle of the audit. By that time it had become brutally evident that he was representing himself and not me.

This left me stuck in the middle of this disaster trying to defend transactions that have no relationship to anything tax-related (at least the tax-related transactions were poorly documented). Things I never knew anything about and things my wife had no clue would ever matter to anyone. The end result is... well, just look around.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the "great" depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn't it ironic how far we've come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn't have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it's "business-as-usual". Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes... isn't that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone. The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government. Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough). In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

I know I'm hardly the first one to decide I have had all I can stand. It has always been a myth that people have stopped dying for their freedom in this country, and it isn't limited to the blacks, and poor immigrants. I know there have been countless before me and there are sure to be as many after. But I also know that by not adding my body to the count, I insure nothing will change. I choose to not keep looking over my shoulder at "big brother" while he strips my carcass, I choose not to ignore what is going on all around me, I choose not to pretend that business as usual won't continue; I have just had enough.

I can only hope that the numbers quickly get too big to be white washed and ignored that the American zombies wake up and revolt; it will take nothing less. I would only hope that by striking a nerve that stimulates the inevitable double standard, knee-jerk government reaction that results in more stupid draconian restrictions people wake up and begin to see the pompous political thugs and their mindless minions for what they are. Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn't so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer. The cruel joke is that the really big chunks of shit at the top have known this all along and have been laughing, at and using this awareness against, fools like me all along.

I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)

02/18/2010

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07:08 PM on 02/25/2010
Wow. That was a lot more lucid and coherent than I expected.
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05:12 PM on 02/23/2010
No matter what Joe Stack's motivations were, he was a murderer and a homegrown terrorist who was striking at the United States of America. Reading his manifesto, it is apparent his anger at his own country was not that far off from the foreign terrorists who struck us on 9/11. Joe Stack portrayed himself as a victim of the system and instead of accomodating himself to the IRS regulations governing independent contractors he elected to fight it. Someone should have told him early on that life is not fair, and all of us from time to time face adversity. His story is not unfamiliar and it seems to involve middle aged white guys who just can't adapt. By the way, the law he was fighing , was adopted because of companies trying to avoid paying benefits to employees by engaging them as "independent contractors". I was involved in hiring hundreds of Joe Stacks, and the new law actually helped these guys as it put them under agencies that for the most part gave them the same wages they were making earlier and also gave them greater access to health care at reasonable cost. Of all the hundreds of contractors our firm hired, no one ever complained about this IRS regulation. It seems like Joe Stack had a big problem with "authority" and following rules. All of his other ranting was more an excuse to justify his actions, for which there is no justification.
03:37 PM on 02/25/2010
I just wonder when people like you Bob.... can at least for a moment step out of his tribal shoes, and see reality on its own terms.

Joe Stack did his thing because he wanted to WAKE UP people like you to the fact the IRS is an agent of the powerful to the detriment of the majorities, like you.

The way tax revenue is being distributed is incrementally being changed to benefit less and less individuals while more and more people who pay those taxes get less and less benefits.

Please read the book FREE LUNCH by David Cay Johnston ( http://www.freelunchthebook.com/ ) where you will have a clear view of how the richest people are sucking the wealth from the majority, using the government. It's Corporate Socialism in its worst form.

So in fact Joe Stack IS A HERO because he wants a BETTER USA and has given his life so people like you open your eyes and do something about it.
02:39 PM on 02/23/2010
"Austin suicide pilot Joe Stack kept some very interesting company as far as the client list for his software programming company is concerned, including a defense contractor with NSA and Homeland Security connections that ironically dealt with air defense systems.

"The Georgetown Airport hanger in which Stack’s ill-fated Piper Cherokee was kept was jointly leased by Stack and a man called John Podolak, records show.

"The Of Goats and Men blog highlights the fact that Podolak was appointed in 2004 to manage L-3 Avisys’ Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Counter-MANPADS (Man-Portable Air Defense Systems) initiative.

"L-3 Avisys is a defense contractor with its main headquarters based in Austin Texas which sells products and works closely with the Department of Defense and unnamed “U.S. Government intelligence agencies”.

"Podolak was hired to “oversee a strong team of more than 10 IRCM defense suppliers who will perform research studies and lead the transition of the team’s proposed CAPS (Commercial Airliner Protection System) technology to the airline industry.”

"L-3 was also a key client for Stack’s software programming business. Stack helped develop a GPS-based Fight Management System for IEC, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3.

"L-3 was also investigated by the SEC for its role in the suspicious number of “put options” on United and American Airlines, speculation that a company’s stock will fall, in the days before 9/11." (Joseph Watson for PrisonPlanet.com)
12:20 AM on 02/23/2010
I'm new to computers and have never commented on a blog. Until the Joseph Stack incident I never felt compeled to share my thoughts but I would like to respond to what I read in his last words.
If you were here today Joe I would say this to you,
Your position on government and religion are totally accurate in my opinion. That they are the most profoundly corrupt obastacles facing mankind today is inarguable. However your view seems somewhat myoptic. You go on about issues that have been in place since Caine killed Able. The scope has become larger but the dynamics are still the same. Greed trumps all cards is the rule and it never changes.
Humans are a failed species. By definition, an organism that consumes its host, will itself cease to exist.
We have ravaged the planet and multiplied our numbers without restraint. Billions go hungry while others grow food, not to feed them, but to power their own automobiles. Efforts to reduce our number have been discouraged by governments and religion because fewer people do not pay more taxes nor do they field larger armies. If the cycle of greed repeats itself over a period of thousands of years, it doesn't take an Aztec to predict the outcome. You killed yourself and an innocent individual in order to communicate the obvious. Your victim may even have agreed with some of the points that you wrote about.
07:20 AM on 02/24/2010
No, its not to power our automobiles, but to give total control and power to a tiny group.
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12:55 PM on 02/22/2010
What would a politician think of Joe Stack's action? If he is honest, he would probably say to a collegue: "This is just one of those guys who couldn't stand our looting the system. I wonder how many guys like him are out there?" Response from his collegue: I just hope there aren't not too many! They will put us guys in jeopardy!
11:33 AM on 02/23/2010
Yes, and that is why they have pulled the story from all mainstream media. They don't want the word to get out that we can revolt.
08:19 AM on 02/22/2010
The question of whether Joe Stack was the initiator of this murderous act or not is an interesting one. No, I guess I find it fascinating that the technology and know how resident in secret quarters to make people do things they are ordinarily not prone to do is now all the rage.

Of course, making people do extraordinary things are skills seen in "933" and "933 Skills", in the documentaries, that is. Check 'em out at www.etigrail.com (wait towards the end).

Joe Stack, the musician, is described by those who knew him was a studious, "together", apolitical, even tidy. Not your everyday terrorist. Write that one down.
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GritsJr
01:00 PM on 02/22/2010
OK, let me get my tin foil hat on first...
07:10 AM on 02/24/2010
What you need, GritsJr, is to turn off your TV. There's very little real news there, and virtually no investiative news reporting on government and corporate corruption that is rampant and systemmic in our society. Just propaganda .
01:12 PM on 02/21/2010
Joe Stack has virtually vanished from mainstream media. Is this because his ideals were right? Is the government afraid of a movement being formed? If he had stated that he was a religious zealot, I think we would be hearing it 24/7. Makes me wonder if there is a cover up in progress. The government has no intention to do the people's business. They are only looking for more money for their campaigns and with the latest supreme court ruling, that is now easier. When one of their own has now come out and said that they are not doing the people's business, we have a problem. Lets take our country back! VAIO Vote All Incumbents Out !
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GritsJr
05:19 PM on 02/21/2010
No, it's because a nation has been sensible enough not to give a terrorist more than his 5 minutes of fame, which is far more than he deserves for attempting mass murder on innocents.
07:13 PM on 02/21/2010
So, you think the nation is sensible to the killing of innocents? Iraq? Afghanistan? Name one revolution where there was no bloodshed, or the loss on innocent life. It is called collateral damage and believe me, that is what you are to the government as well.
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01:13 PM on 02/22/2010
The leaders of the political parties are at fault. Political parties have been turned into private clubs by these politicians. Politics is a game where voters are enticed by promises of reform or better government and when they take charge they go against their voter's wishes. Once they are in, they will do what ever they want to do and that includes over taxing people and taking their homes when they can't pay. There should be laws against taking someones home. Having a home of your own home in America is part of the American dream. Don't turn it into a nightmare! Take everything else, but not their homes!!!
04:32 AM on 02/21/2010
And, yes, we do appreciate the fact that only one person was sacrificed. This time.
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08:11 PM on 02/20/2010
You have to love the thought process of lunatics. He rails against the rich, claims they control the government, and then flies his plane into a building of modestly paid government workers.
07:13 AM on 02/24/2010
Don't believe everything you read on the internet (either). Always verify.
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GritsJr
05:59 PM on 02/20/2010
http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpps/news/dpgonc-vernon-hunter-victim-in-austin-plane-attack-identified-fc-20100219_6168034

Vernon Hunter was the man that Stack murdered. He leaves behind a wife (who was also in the building that day and thankfully not hurt) and six children.

They are now without a husband and father because of this terrorist.
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GritsJr
03:45 PM on 02/20/2010
The man was a domestic terrorist, no different from Timothy McVeigh or any other traitor who thought he had the right to take the life of innocent Americans to justify personal grievances. His manifesto is incredibly self-obsessed and unbelievably selfish in its world-view. We all pay taxes. We pay them so that the system of government set up by our Founders can function for our mutual benefit (and of course the Constitution was written for the sole purpose of increasing the powers of the federal government, including powers of taxation). Stack needed therapy, probably from an early age, and would have been better off spending his energy there as opposed to running around to anti-tax group meetings.
07:16 AM on 02/24/2010
Either that or a patsie victim. Always verify; never take at face value what the appearance is -- not anymore.
02:51 PM on 02/20/2010
I agree 100% with his motive and disagree 100% with his method of expressing himself, as others have also said.
He is spot on about the blatant and rampant greed that consumes our political system, and that there is need for " the American Zombies" to get off their asses.
Sadly, his actions make him little more than a terrorist. Think of the monks who burned themselves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Qu%E1%BA%A3ng_%C4%90%E1%BB%A9c
Mr. Stack could have chosen a way to get his message across with the added punch of shock value and not put innocent life at risk. This was his biggest mistake.
12:01 PM on 02/20/2010
So, just what drove Joe to feel that all hope was lost? His act was one of somebody that felt he had nothing more to lose. The wife leaving, which turned out to be just for the night, seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back. Too bad he didn't stick around for another hour. Perhaps, this whole ordeal could have been avoided. His reaction was a knee jerk kind of thing. A psychotic break could happen to anyone, really, if the right circumstances were in play. Granted, he probably fantasized about doing what he eventually did, but from what people who knew him have said, he was pretty easy going overall. The most dangerous species on earth are human beings who feel there is nothing left to lose and all hope is lost. Unfortunately, there are a lot more of them out there just lying in wait of that trigger, that straw that breaks the back of the camel. It's like, no, IT IS, a sleeper cell.
06:45 PM on 02/20/2010
I totally agree with you, everyone has a breaking point, a straw....
People are so eager to JUDGE, they can't look past their own opinion and see that THEY too have a breaking point... I've learned along time ago to never say, I'D NEVER DO THAT, I've learned to say ( BUT ) by the Grace of God .
If people will remember, the STOCK MARKET CRASH OF 1929,,, BLACK TUESDAY , people were jumping out of high rise windows , committing suicide, they reached their breaking point. I'm afraid to say Joe Stack is not the first or the last.
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01:23 PM on 02/22/2010
"Everyone has a breaking point". That is very true and some could hold on for long and not break, but there are many, many out there that can't take it any longer and this will be a grave problem for America if the economy is not fixed soon and government continues to act as if it is WELL and keep breaking people that can't hold on for long. This is a tragedy that we will be seeing more and more of as time passes if the economy is not fixed. These acts I am sad to say are the acts that wake up some politicians. The intelligent ones, that is and they right the wrong. A home is a man's castle. It is the American Dream. Don't take it away!
07:29 PM on 02/19/2010
Who is Joe Stack? No one, will forget who Joe Stack was, or what he did. There is no doubt , Joe Stack was wrong.... It is Never Right to do WRONG,, to do Right.....
Joe Stack thought it was the right thing to do, he believed it SO MUCH , he was willing to DIE for what he believed in. Well guess what Joe? It didn't change anything, it only hurt yourself, your family and your friends.
No one will forget who Joe Stack was, OR who he was mad at, so Joe made his STATEMENT, but it didn't change a thing.
11:30 PM on 02/19/2010
When you agree with the words of someone that committed a "crime" against our government, you know there is something seriously wrong with our government.
11:22 AM on 02/20/2010
Joe Stack, as an American had the right to his STATEMENT and his political views. If he thought something was wrong with our government, he should have taken all that frustration and anger to the people. He should have ran for Governor and brought his views and concerns to the table. He represented the average American person trying to make a living and start a business.
JOE STACK vs JOE THE PLUMBER ; no difference
There's not only something wrong with our government, there's something wrong with our SOCIETY as a whole. People have no convictions anymore.... what used to be considered wrong is now accepted. Everyone is obsessed with what platform your with, they ought to get back to basics.... the difference between RIGHT AND WRONG. I don't totally blame the government, it was the indifferent people with their own agendas that put the government in place, and now their STUCK.......
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GritsJr
05:40 PM on 02/20/2010
Hardly. The Founders encountered self-centered, violent individuals like Joe Stack during the Shay's Rebellion and Whiskey Rebellion, and put them down with force both times. George Washington described the Whiskey rebels as "insurgents," which was apt. Like Stack, they whined about their responsibility to pay federal taxes and thought they were bigger and more important than our system of constitutional government.

The murder that Stack committed (and only by great acts of heroism was only one person killed) was disgusting and justified in no way, shape or form by our Constitution (ratified for the sole purpose of strengthening the federal government and expanding its taxing powers) or the beliefs of the Founders.
05:03 PM on 02/19/2010
Paying taxes is a responsibility of citizenship.

I can't believe so many people agree with this manifesto containing the same antitax radicalism we see coming out of the tea baggers. Tea partiers seem to believe that America has some sort of history of anarchism... that somehow with no government oversight, capitalism would take care of itself. And that somehow this was the plan of the founding fathers. In anarcho-capitalism, you'd either have the rise of a supermonopoly, or a dictator. And without a government with the funds to protect people from this, we'd be a fascist country. It's very sad so many people in our country seem to be losing faith in democracy itself... losing faith that our society actually picked our own leaders.. as if paying taxes to our own country is the same thing as paying taxes to some foreign entity. This is our country, the richest and most powerful country on earth, and it's sad that so many americans see their own country as 'the bad guys' and agree with this terrorist. There is a misconception that individualist anarchism is the 'true america.' but in reality the first word in 'we the people' is 'we'. we are individuals, and also a community. during the cold war both sides tried to spread conspiracy theories, doubt, and the idea that their own government was 'the bad guys.' there is no better way to weaken america than to demoralize its citizens and kill the dream of democracy.
07:29 PM on 02/19/2010
Its sad that you think we pick our own leaders. They give us a multiple choice to pick from. If you don't have millions and millions of dollars then you are stuck picking from what the Gov gives us. How do we even know if the person that gets picked even got the majority of the vote. Bush was elected and the ballots in Florida were finagled by the one in power there which just happened to be his brother. So, I have to disagree with you that we pick them. Why do I pay taxes from the labor I do. I pay taxes everytime I buy something. A car manufactuer pays taxes on all the parts needed for that car. The first owner pays taxes on it and the second and the third and so on. A car purchase gets taxed multiple times when really the manufacturer already paid the taxes on it. They are scamming us out of our money and it is ridiculous. I don't mind paying State tax to keep our schools open and our roads drivable, but all the rest is BS.
08:01 PM on 02/19/2010
We do pick our own leaders. As a constitutional democracy we follow a system that is generally agreed upon in advance. Democracies in European countries also follow a system to pick their leaders. In Germany for example, there are many political parties. Instead of voting for an actual person, you vote for a party... The parties internally pick their own leadership. In America we choose a president directly, and the candidates are also chosen directly by the people, via the primary system. In America more than other places, there is no monopoly on choosing a candidate. And if you don't fit under the big tent of either party, you can run as a third party. There is nothing preventing that, and third parties have been important in many of our elections. We aren't a country run by mob rule, we follow the framework of the constitution to choose our leaders. I'm worried that 'democracy' is being replaced by 'conspiracy' in the minds of many... I'm worried this view will negatively impact the health of our society.
11:12 AM on 02/20/2010
democracy! this country was founded upon a constitutional republic. our leaders and media have done their hardest to make citizens like you believe we are a democracy and that it is good. democracy is mob rule, its like two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. who do you think wins. the constitutional republic is a government that operates under the rule of law. our government does not adhere to this. i guess you are too blind to see that. thats because everday americans are more concerned with who tiger woods is banging or whats going on with paris hilton. wake up buddy! america isn't bad, but most the people running it are. and if you think for one minute that we choose our leaders, then you are a fool. those who count the votes control them as well... i dont support what this guy did. never okay to harm others, but then i think of all the people our country harms with the wars we start, the weapons we build and sell to them