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Biden Can Single-Handedly Run The Reconciliation Process: Parliamentarian Experts (VIDEO)

First Posted: 05/01/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 04:40 PM ET

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Should passing health care reform come down to the use of reconciliation -- and all signs point that way -- Vice President Joseph Biden could play a hugely influential role in determining not only what's in the bill but whether or not it passes.

Two experts in the arcane rules of the Senate said on Monday that, as president of the Senate, Biden has the capacity not just to overrule any ruling that the parliamentarian may make but also to cut off efforts by Republicans to offer unlimited amendments.

"Ultimately it's the Vice President of the United States [who has the power over the reconciliation process]," Robert Dove, who served as Senate parliamentarian on and off from 1981-2001, told MSNBC this morning. "It is the decision of the Vice President whether or not to play a role here... And I have seen Vice Presidents play that role in other very important situations... The parliamentarian can only advise. It is the vice president who rules."

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Dove's point is complex but important. With respect to health care reform, Senate Democrats are likely to offer a package of legislative amendments that they will ask to have passed using reconciliation. The Senate parliamentarian will then make a ruling as to whether or not those changes satisfy the conditions for reconciliation's use (essentially, that they have a budgetary impact). But that ruling does not become the de facto law of the chamber. Biden can choose whether or not to accept the parliamentarian's decision or rule that more or fewer amendments can be passed through reconciliation. That ruling is subject to appeal -- but the appeal is decided by majority vote.

But Biden's powers don't end there. As Dove noted, the minority party does have the ability to offer unlimited amendments during the reconciliation process (ostensibly, as a way to hold up the process).

"At the end of the 20 hours you can offer as many amendments as you can scribble out," said Dove.

However, Biden, as president of the Senate, could effectively put an end to that process by ruling that the amendments are not germane to the legislation and ordering the chamber to proceed to an up or down vote.

"The vice president can rule that amendments are dilatory," Norm Ornstein, a fellow at the American Enterprise Institute and one of the foremost experts on congressional process, told the Huffington Post. "That they are not serious attempts to amend the bill but are designed without substance to obstruct. He can rule them out of order and he can do that on bloc."

"There are time limits," Ornstein added. "It is not that they can keep doing it over and over again."

As Ornstein added, there are potential downsides to the vice president wielding any of these two institutional powers. For starters, it further politicizes a process that is already being criticized as overly political. Moreover, it could spur serious discussion of whether the Obama administration is engaged in an institutional power grab and/or upheaval of Congress. As Dove noted, in a follow up email to the Huffington Post: "I said the VP COULD have the final say--but no VP since Hubert Humphrey has ruled in any instance against the advice of the Parliamentarian."

Indeed, when the Bush administration was trying to get its tax cuts passed through reconciliation and the parliamentarian ruled that they did not qualify, Republicans didn't turn to former Vice President Dick Cheney to steer the process. Instead, they fired the parliamentarian and found a more sympathetic one. That fired parliamentarian was none other than Robert Dove.

Nevertheless, the powers that Biden has over Senate process could play a significant role durin the debate process -- and potentially prove critical to getting health care reform through Congress.

"Biden would have some power here," Ornstein summarized. "But again, this is not a power that you want to exercise. But it is one that exists."

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Should passing health care reform come down to the use of reconciliation -- and all signs point that way -- Vice President Joseph Biden could play a hugely influential role in determining not only wha...
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08:54 PM on 03/11/2010
I don't think Biden has to exercise this power. Partly, it depends on the parliamentarian--but the mere fact that Biden CAN overrule him will tend to pull a chill through the heart of the B.S.
05:20 PM on 03/11/2010
Vice president Biden should exercise his power immediately.This is a national emergency of life and death and, as such, no holds barred. You have an opposition party of 41 members who refuse to break ranks even if it's in the public's interest and it is.

Think about it before President Obama you had all kinds of moderate republicans, fiscally conservative but socially liberal,all of a sudden they have all disappeared.

Then in our own party you have way too many conservative democrats,blue dogs traitors,who refuse to toe the line and support health care reforms.Go get em Joe.
06:38 PM on 03/11/2010
He can't exercise the power until a reconciliation bill is before the Senate and that can't happen until the House passes the Senate bill.
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04:09 PM on 03/02/2010
If there were no ability to rule dilatory amendments out of order, this would have been done before.
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searles7
02:12 PM on 03/02/2010
Did I understand the article to say that when Dove did not agree with the validity of Bush's tax cut agenda that the Republicans FIRED him in favor of someone who was more amenable????? This is a man who had been on the job for over 20 years and in traing for 14 years prior to that. Rather than have "Chucky" Cheney overrule him, they FIRED him. This is past unconscionable behavior, but it proves that Republicans will stop at nothing to promote their isolationist agenda.

If the Democrats don't wake up and realize that they are dealing with demons from hell, we will all suffer great harm.
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Cheryl12345
01:58 PM on 03/02/2010
My only concern is, with Obama capitulating to the Repubs, will Biden capitulate to Obama?
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AntonBursch
07:53 PM on 03/11/2010
what is wrong with you? seriously.
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11:42 AM on 03/02/2010
The senate is a non functioning institution right now........ let Joe run everything through reconcilliation. Time for repubs to learn a lesson or two.
10:54 AM on 03/02/2010
Oh well, let me try this again, the moderaters would not post my word that I called Joe Biden, i*iot. Insert "d' for the asterisk. Anyway it is scary that Biden could single handedly run reconciliation.
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quorthon
Big government IS the answer!
10:04 AM on 03/02/2010
Biden, Grayson, and Weiner are the only Democrats with sack.
07:09 AM on 03/02/2010
"Any Means necessary' is the Repube strategy, so why shouldn't the Dems be that way to? Talk sense or get the f**k out of here!
02:46 AM on 03/02/2010
PASS THE DAMN THING AND LETS MOVE ON.
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funnyguy
02:15 AM on 03/02/2010
This is the problem with the Senate Democrats: They have a lot of power, but they don't seem to want to use it.
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01:43 AM on 03/02/2010
Wasn't jumpin' Joe supposed to be overseeing the stimulus package spending? Still waiting for all those "shovel ready" projects.
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mcartri
02:09 AM on 03/02/2010
If the Democratic Party isn't really another pawn of Corporate America, Biden will permit the Public Option to be part of the final bill. Without a public option, this so called health care reform will collapse down the road anyway.
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hdohighdesertobserver
The high desert is a place in between
12:24 PM on 03/02/2010
I've seen a number of project start photos: big check, red ribbon, silver shovel. Oddly enough, it's often a Republican holding the check and smiling like it's his idea and his money.
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John Horner
01:38 AM on 03/02/2010
Make it so, Joe!
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kdlaiusa
Even B&B are smarter than the Republicans.
02:44 AM on 03/02/2010
Let Joe pass the HCR bill. Yes, he can.
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SparkyDash
Still a BFD
01:28 AM on 03/02/2010
My god give it to Biden...he'll get it done!!! Just give it to Joe already.

Biden just gave another firey speech in Florida to AFL-CIO...and called out Bunning again. Bunning gave Democrats a gift; I'm sorry to say it hurt a lot of people, but Dems should be out doing what Biden is doing jacket tossed to the side...sleeves rolled up. Get fired up for crying out loud.

Give this thing to Biden and he'll get it done. He loves a good scrap.
ClaudiaL
Grover, please proceed...
01:19 AM on 03/02/2010
I hope they put Joe in charge. He can get it done in the Senate and I'd bet the farm on Nancy getting it done in the House. They are two tough cookies.
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SparkyDash
Still a BFD
01:29 AM on 03/02/2010
Biden's naturally a scrapper. Pelosi's also tougher than most gentlemen in the House :)
07:11 AM on 03/02/2010
'They' don't have to put Biden in charge in this situation...he is the man.