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Ray LaHood, Transportation Secretary: Brake Overrides May Be Recommended For All New Cars

STEPHEN MANNING and TOM RAUM   03/ 2/10 06:21 PM ET   AP

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U.S. May Recommend Brake Overrides In All New Cars

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is considering requiring all cars and trucks sold in the U.S. to have brakes that can override gas pedals to prevent sudden acceleration problems like those that led to reports of deaths and the recall of millions of Toyotas, Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood told Congress on Tuesday.

"We're looking at it," LaHood told the Senate Commerce Committee. "We think it is a good safety device."

The panel's chairman suggested "strong legislative action" was needed, including brake overrides, which would require a relatively inexpensive software upgrade.

The comments came as the government raised to 52 the number of reported deaths linked to runaway Toyota vehicles and as Toyota executives returned to Capitol Hill for the third time in a week to try to persuade lawmakers they are urgently fixing any problems.

The executives said the automaker will start making available to U.S. safety regulators sophisticated electronic readers capable of deciphering "black box" data on Toyotas involved in sudden acceleration episodes.

Yoshimi Inaba, the president of Toyota Motor North America, said the company would be delivering three data readers to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration on Wednesday and hoped to make the data more accessible to other systems by the middle of 2011.

A reliable override system could be important to U.S. motorists, relieving anxieties created by the Toyota acceleration reports. The "black box" information could help investigators make their own judgments about what has been going wrong.

Multiple recalls have damaged Toyota's reputation and set the stage for large numbers of death and injury lawsuits amid a criminal investigation by federal prosecutors in New York, a probe by the Securities and Exchange Commission and more scrutiny from the Transportation Department. Since September, Toyota has recalled 8.5 million vehicles – about 6 million in the U.S.

There was a fresh indication Tuesday of how the broad recalls and safety questions have affected Toyota's business. The company's U.S. sales fell 9 percent in February while rivals General Motors and Ford posted healthy gains. As part of its effort to rebuild customer loyalty, the company said it will offer repeat buyers two years of free maintenance.

The giant Japanese automaker has said all new models sold in the United States will have the override system by 2011 and that many recalled vehicles will be refitted with it.

The system automatically deactivates the accelerator when the brake pedal is pressed, allowing the driver to stop safely even if the car's throttle is stuck open.

LaHood told the committee, "We are looking at the possibility of recommending the brake override system in all, newly manufactured automobiles." He was responding to a questions by Chairman Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., on whether the U.S. should mandate such a system on all cars sold in the U.S.

Rockefeller said the Toyota recalls required "strong legislative action." He suggested mandating brake override systems, upgrades to a 2000 auto safety law enacted after the Firestone tire recalls and requiring all automakers to share black-box hardware with dealers.

"The U.S. government has to do a much better job of keeping the American people safe," he said.

As to Toyota, Rockefeller told the executives, "Every single Toyota owner deserves a full accounting of what happened and what went wrong."

The new number of 52 reported deaths – up from 34 previously – came from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, part of the Department of Transportation. Federal officials haven't formally confirmed the links between deaths and Toyota defects but have received a spike in complaints since Toyota began a series of big recalls in October.

Toyota executives told the panel the company will give the United States up to 100 "black box" readers and dispatch its engineers to train U.S. technicians on how to use them.

The recording devices, similar to the ones that have long been on aircraft, are common safety features on modern automobiles. But the ones on Toyotas can be read only by Toyota technicians with specialized readers.

As they had told congressional panels last week, Toyota executives maintained that sudden unintended acceleration episodes were due to mechanical problems – shifting floor mats or sticking gas pedals – and not by anything in the electronic throttle control systems of Toyota vehicles.

Still, the company "will continue to search for any event in which such a failure could occur," the lawmakers were told by Takeshi Uchiyamada, an executive vice president at Toyota considered the father of the Prius hybrid.

Safety experts and many lawmakers have said the electronic systems of Toyotas could be to blame and should not be ruled out.

The Toyota executives said the company was setting up an outside panel to advise the company's North American affiliates on quality and safety issues, to be led by Rodney Slater, a U.S. transportation secretary during the Clinton administration.

While most members criticized Toyota, Sen. Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii, said other automakers have been subject to millions of recalls, too.For instance, in 2002, he noted, quoting NHTSA figures, 15.2 million cars were recalled. General Motors recalls totaled 4.6 million, Ford 2.3 million, Chrysler 6.4 million and Toyota just 496,000

"If it is an industry problem, we should hear from the industry, instead of just Toyota," Inouye said.

Adding to Toyota's woes, the automaker said Tuesday it is repairing more than 1.6 million vehicles around the world, including the U.S. and Japan, for potentially leaky oil hoses. NHTSA also continues to look into steering complaints from drivers of Corollas.

The committee released a January 2008 document in which Chris Tinto, a Toyota vice president for technical and regulatory affairs, raised questions about the company's safety image. "Although we rigorously defend our products through good negotiation and analysis, we have a less defensible product," Tinto said.

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Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas contributed to this story.

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is considering requiring all cars and trucks sold in the U.S. to have brakes that can override gas pedals to prevent sudden acceleration problems like those...
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is considering requiring all cars and trucks sold in the U.S. to have brakes that can override gas pedals to prevent sudden acceleration problems like those...
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09:43 AM on 03/04/2010
And what if the "sudden acceleration" keeps happening after that; will the car companies be exonerated? Some Toyotas are still having "problems" after the fixes. Or maybe cars have just become to "smart" for the average consumer. I was not a fan of ABS for a long time, until I figured out how to use it properly; I kept lightly pumping the brakes for years. How many people read the manuals; their are a lot of caveats in there now, with all the electronics overriding many of your instincts.
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11:49 AM on 03/04/2010
A good driver can always beat an ABS system. That was and is true and will always be true so long as the technological base remains the same - based on wheel rotation.

However, you're right about people not knowing what to do and, in particular, not reading their car's manuals.

As for pumping, it is only appropriate for a very narrow range of problems. Usually - most of the time - modulating the amount of pressure on the pedal is the key.

If you really want to get good, learn your car's fore-aft axis changes (nose down dip) as you brake and approach wheel lockup. You _want_ the forces to push the front down as it increases braking force and you can gradually increase your braking pressure (on the pedal) as the nose dips. Go too far and the wheels slide, braking force is reduced, and the suspension pushes the vehicle to its former attitude whereupon you have to start the process over again. Proper mastery of this technique will beat ABS _every_time_ since the computers used in ABS do not factor in nose-dip and thereby miss the opportunity for optimal braking. (What they do is slow the wheel until it slips - or is about to slip - and then let off the pressure, repeating the cycle every so often - measured in milliseconds. The human advantage is that a human can avoid the cycling.)
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03:22 PM on 03/04/2010
Or you can use the emergency brake; but that takes a lot of practice. I've gotten comfortable enough now with ABS to just let it do it's thing; each car seems to have slightly different cycle periods and latency times before reset. I never was one to stomp on the brakes anyway. When confronted with an emergency situation I usually speed up to avoid problems; I rarely slow down. Slowing down exposes you to vagaries of other drivers.
07:11 AM on 03/04/2010
I like these geniuses. Now they decided that brakes must trump the gas.

After next accident with the sudden car stopping on a rail road crossing or suddenly slipped back on the steep hill right into the abyss they will demand that gas would override the brakes.

Couple accident later they will decide that horn should override both pedals.

Our tax dollars at work.
02:03 AM on 03/04/2010
don't they do that already?

My brakes override the gas.
10:01 PM on 03/03/2010
what a terrible idea
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Ali Rockwood
07:35 PM on 03/03/2010
so glad i didn't trade in my clunker for cash on some new piece of homicidal machinery that would go nuts and try to take out as much wetware as it could before self destructing...
02:36 PM on 03/03/2010
Sometimes when you parallel park on a steep hill, you have to use the break and the accelerator at the same time to get out of the spot. If they implement this, how are you going to get out of those spots then?
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Ali Rockwood
07:41 PM on 03/03/2010
*lol* try the emergency (hand) brake? i've successfully used this method many, many times, since i drive stick and have only two feet. there was no override to consider at the time tho.
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
12:55 PM on 03/03/2010
When the engine is racing due to stuck accelerator can't one just kick the transmission into neutral?
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Ali Rockwood
07:42 PM on 03/03/2010
that's what i thought, but apparently the transmission locks up at the same time. i don't know if turning the engine off via the key would work?
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
08:53 PM on 03/03/2010
Then they should not call it an accelerator problem. It is much more than that.
11:57 AM on 03/03/2010
this waste of time is right up there with Steroids in Baseball.
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DebtNavigation
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11:28 AM on 03/03/2010
Doing this will require electronic stability control on all cars. And the stability control will need to be able to tell the difference between a cornering situation and a panic braking situation because judicious application of power and braking at the same time is NECESSARY in some cornering situations, particularly for performance vehicles.

I'd say everybody but Porsche would be about 5 years away from being able to make this work (Porsches already do this for the driver when cornering [including applying just a single brake at one corner under computer control], they'd just need to add it in for panic braking scenarios).
11:58 AM on 03/03/2010
and Porsches cost plenty
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sofla954
07:54 AM on 03/03/2010
I guess the smoky burnout is dead.
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lcr999
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09:57 PM on 03/02/2010
Duh... It is called a key.. You just turn it off.
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mratcheson
11:32 AM on 03/03/2010
Good suggestion, if the car has a key. Duh.
05:03 PM on 03/02/2010
may be recommended??????

may???

recommend???

How about > > > W I L L . B E . R E Q U I R E D < <
11:58 AM on 03/03/2010
and add how much to a new car?
RTIII
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11:52 AM on 03/04/2010
It's a HORRIBLE idea.

Lets hope it is NEVER "required."
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04:29 PM on 03/02/2010
Remember what happened to AUDI which had far less technical problems? It took them almost 20 years to recover in the American market.
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07:01 PM on 03/02/2010
Yes, and I am quite sure that the Ford Motor Company is counting on just that. . .

There is, of course, a very obvious problem with a proposal like the one that has been made: "who says that the brake-pedal will work properly? What makes the brake pedal so dramatically different from the gas? If either one of them sticks, you've got a potential crash.

Right now, it is abundantly clear that =someone= with very excellent political connections is going after Toyota big-time. They'd better stop and think, though ... what if Toyota just says, "--- it," and moves out? What if Volkswagen changes its mind and stops building its huge new plant in Tennessee? What if Honda ...

Let's be mindful: there IS NO "American" market left. Ford is doing good just because it's doing good "by comparison." GM swallowed the "let's rebrand the same sack of potatoes and call it twenty different cars" kool-aid and choked on it. There ARE NO American car companies and there never again will be. Foreign industries are here to generate solid cash with which to pay themselves.

America is well in the jaws now of the Great Depression of 2008 and doesn't quite understand what's happening to it yet, but it's learning fast. More than 30% don't have jobs now (duhh, "under-"employed? whazzat??). When you don't have a place to live, and you don't have a job to go to, you don't need a car.
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11:31 AM on 03/03/2010
The Mighty Wurlitzer is being played by someone Goebbels would recognize as a virtuoso. And the attacks on the Japanese carmakers are just the tip of the iceberg. Don't put your trust in any single news source, and look at ALL of them with a B.S. detector set at its most sensitive...
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mratcheson
11:37 AM on 03/03/2010
"who says that the brake-pedal will work properly?"

If the problem is caused by a faulty ECU, I don't feel confident that it will execute the brake override properly.