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Toyota Webcast Hopes To Disprove Critic David Gilbert, Who Blames Electronics For Acceleration

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KEN THOMAS and STEPHEN MANNING   03/ 8/10 09:55 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Toyota, dogged by millions of recalls and claims that it still has not fixed its safety problems, took its strongest step yet Monday to silence critics who blame faulty electronics for runaway cars and trucks.

Toyota assembled a group of experts to refute studies by an Illinois professor who revved Toyota engines simply by short-circuiting the wiring. Toyota's experts say the experiments were done under conditions that would never happen on the road.

The automaker maintained its assertion that simpler mechanical flaws, not electronics, were to blame.

"There isn't a ghost issue out there," Kristen Tabar, an electronics general manager with Toyota's technical center, told a news conference at the company's North American headquarters in Torrance, Calif.

Meeting with reporters, Toyota addressed the work of David W. Gilbert, an automotive technology professor at Southern Illinois University-Carbondale, whose work has been the basis of doubts about Toyota's mechanical fixes.

At least one outside expert said that even if Toyota's criticisms are accurate, the professor's work shows the systems that allow brakes to override stuck gas pedals can be compromised.

Toyota is mounting a public campaign to reassure its drivers about their safety and defending itself against critics who question the fix for 8 million recalled cars and trucks. Regulators have linked 52 deaths to crashes allegedly caused by the accelerator problems.

The company's fix addresses gas pedal parts and floor mats that can cause the accelerator to become stuck in the depressed position. More than 60 Toyota owners who have had their cars repaired have complained the problem has persisted.

Toyota dealers have fixed more than 1 million vehicles. But the government has warned that if the remedy provided by Toyota does not properly address the problem, federal regulators could order the company to come up with another solution.

Gilbert told a congressional hearing Feb. 23 that he recreated sudden acceleration in a Toyota Tundra by short-circuiting the electronics behind the gas pedal – without triggering any trouble codes in the truck's computer.

The trouble codes send the car's computer into a fail-safe mode that allows the brake to override the gas. Gilbert called his findings a "startling discovery."

House lawmakers seized on the testimony as evidence Toyota engineers missed a potential problem with the electronics that could have caused the unwanted acceleration.

But Monday, Chris Gerdes, director of Stanford University's Center for Automotive Research, and a consulting firm, Exponent Inc., rejected the professor's findings.

Toyota's assembled experts said the professor's experiments could not be recreated on the actual road. For example, they said, Gilbert had shaved away insulation on wiring and connected wires that would not normally touch each other.

"There is no evidence that I've seen to indicate that this situation is happening at all in the real world," Gerdes said. He added that the professor's work "could result in misguided policy and unwarranted fear."

To prove their point, Toyota officials revved the engines of cars made by competitors, including a Subaru Forester and a Ford Fusion, by connecting a circuit rigged up to the wiring of the gas pedals.

Toyota supports other research programs at Stanford's engineering school and is an affiliate of the Center for Automotive Research, but Gerdes said he came to his conclusions "with complete independence."

Gilbert did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Exponent has conducted work for companies that are being sued and once determined that secondhand tobacco smoke was not cancerous. It was also hired by the U.S. government to investigate the Columbia space shuttle disaster.

Exponent officials said they were conducting an extensive study of Toyota electronics but they had not yet found any problems with the electronic throttle controls.

Toyota has been steadfast in saying the problem is strictly mechanical. Company president Akio Toyoda assured Congress two weeks ago that Toyota research had not found a link between the reports of runaway acceleration and electronics.

Instead, the company is shortening gas pedals to prevent them from becoming lodged under floor mats and inserting metal pieces the size of a stamp to keep gas pedals from sticking in the depressed position.

An outside expert, Raj Rajkumar, an electrical and computer-engineering professor at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh who studies auto electronics, said Gilbert's work raises doubts about the fail-safe systems.

"Pretty much anybody who works on electronic-based vehicle systems understands that things can go wrong," he said.

He said a number of factors could cause vehicle electronics to malfunction, including software coding errors, electrical interference and static electricity. He said technology wasn't available to prove that a system as complex as Toyota's electronic throttle control will always behave correctly.

The professor wasn't trying to prove that his test was a real-world scenario, said Keith Armstrong, a British electronic engineer and consultant who advises companies on electromagnetic interference. Instead Gilbert demonstrated that fail-safe systems may not kick in if faulty signals are sent to the throttle, Armstrong said after reviewing Exponent's report on Gilbert's tests.

Congress has more questions. The House Oversight Committee wants to look at a 2006 memo from company employees to Toyota senior management that raised concerns the automaker was taking shortcuts on safety.

In the memo, first reported Monday by the Los Angeles Times, the employees said they were concerned the processes used to build safe cars might be "ultimately ignored."

The employees warned that if Toyota failed to act, it could "become a great problem that involves the company's survival."

Toyota executives also plan to address recall issues at the company's annual suppliers meeting in Kentucky on Tuesday.

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Associated Press Writer Greg Risling in Torrance, Calif., and AP Auto Writer Tom Krisher in Detroit contributed to this report.

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WASHINGTON — Toyota, dogged by millions of recalls and claims that it still has not fixed its safety problems, took its strongest step yet Monday to silence critics who blame faulty electronics ...
WASHINGTON — Toyota, dogged by millions of recalls and claims that it still has not fixed its safety problems, took its strongest step yet Monday to silence critics who blame faulty electronics ...
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gravey72
Don't hide from thought...Embrace it!!!
07:17 PM on 03/11/2010
I would be interested in learning the number of similar reports, on the issues Toyota has been facing, on more of a worldwide basis. Is this a " WORLDWIDE " issue, or , are these problems, only w/ Toyota's in America? Because it would seem , to me , that if this were a problem w/ Toyota's product, that it would be a problem w/ their product...NO MATTER WHERE IN THE WORLD IT MIGHT HAPPEN TO BE!! So then, I ask, why are all of the horror stories, that the media so readily report on, only coming from America? This world, obviously, doesn't need anymore death or mayhem, and Toyota, I'm sure, would like to see an end to this...but what's the whole story, the real story? I wander, as a direct result of Toyota's sudden crisis, how many more American vehicles are being sold,right now... just curious!
(FOOD FOR THOUGHT,WHILE OUR GOVERNMENT'S SMOKESCREEN US W/THE BLAMEGAME)
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07:12 PM on 03/09/2010
Never get behind a VW...
Or ahead of a Toyota.
11:42 AM on 03/09/2010
What did you expect, hearing the entire truth from the media about how unsafe Toyota could be? Toyota has deep advertising pockets so when this report came out in 2008:

http://www.nlcnet.org/reports?id=0007

it was ignored by the major media until yesterday in the LA Times:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-toyota-canaries8-2010mar08,0,1192458.story

After all, finding a mismanufactured part in a supply chain riddled with sweatshops by slave workers gets ignored UNLESS it's Kathie Lee Gifford! She did not have the advertising $ the mega Japanese government backed Toyota has.
The media used the SAME organization, The National Labor Committee, to try and take her down but ignored their report on Toyota.
Perhaps the Prius driving Hollyood jet set was too embarrassed also, therefore they helped to squelch the story also.
Just read "Unjust Enrichment" by Linda Goetz Holmes and you'll see how Japan used POW's as slave labor in their factories during WWII. The author is a revered historian who has painstakingly researched WWII prisoners in the Pacific for over 25 years including interviews with names and photos. She is the FIRST Pacific war historian appointed to the US Government Interagency Working Group, formed in 1999 under the aegis of the National Archives to locate and DECLASSIFY material about WWII war crimes.
What has changed, the ability for more smoke and mirrors for Americans on a webcam?
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
10:51 AM on 03/09/2010
All of a sudden, these people come out of the woodworks!
08:40 AM on 03/09/2010
Toyota announces new ad campaign:

Kamikase Motors: Moving You Forward Uncontrollably.
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Mahi Joe
Think critically...not blindly conform
06:48 AM on 03/09/2010
Where is Ralph Nader when you need him?
08:37 AM on 03/09/2010
Busy spending all the money Toyota paid him for his "consumer efforts" against GM when Toyota was trying to get a foothold in the US.
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bluejoni2525
and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden
10:14 PM on 03/08/2010
I believe while this was going on a Toyota Prius was zooming up the highway in Cali ( I think it was Cali) uncontrollable !!! A police car had to somehow nudge it to stop !! I don't know if this was a "fixed" one or not !!
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Mahi Joe
Think critically...not blindly conform
06:46 AM on 03/09/2010
This was a Prius owner that took his car in for the repairs and was turned down by the Toyota dealership because his name wasn't on the recall list. It was not fixed yet.
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AZdesertdog
09:35 AM on 03/09/2010
this one just happened yesterday in San Diego on I-8. I believe the guy was a doctor.

he called 9-1-1, and a CHP officer got in front of him to stop the car.

many Prius owners have reported this same problem.

Toyota has not recalled a single Prius model for this issue.

Toyota blamed a US-made accelerator pedal assembly on the problem.

not a single Prius or Lexus model uses the assembly.

the issue has NEVER been the pedal assembly; it is an electronic problem.

the automatic transmission shift lever is not cable operated, but "drive by wire". it is controlled by the same ECU that is causing the car to accelerate uncontrollably.

the pushbutton start (no key) is also controlled by the same haywire ECU. it won't respond either.

Toyota continues to put up smokescreens, and discredits anyone who questions them.

and Toyota and Lexus owners continue to crash and die.
09:44 PM on 03/08/2010
I know what will fix this.

Outsource all the electronics to China.

It "worked" for everything else, and as a bonus, increases profit margins!
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08:21 PM on 03/08/2010
At this point nothing Toyota says or does would get me to buy one of their cars or trucks in any of their product lines. There are plenty of competitive choices at lower prices anyway. Their name is mud and no longer worth the premium prices they place on their products.
05:34 PM on 03/08/2010
These cars are accidents waiting to happen, nothing but deathtraps. Get ready for the ride of your life in the "family Camry", just be sure you have plenty life insurance.
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swengnikaerb
47% Never ASKED for a Tax Cut!
04:58 PM on 03/08/2010
Joe Dallas I'm a Fan of Joe Dallas I'm a fan of this user 4 fans permalink

Toyota's problem is they first came up with the lame, implausible "floor mat" theory.

The floor mat problem was confirmed by NHTSA in both high profile cases, the california highway patrolman accident and the lady that testified before congress two weeks ago.
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And the NHTSA that confirmed Toyota's findings were headed by.......former Toyota Executives. Color me surprised that a Government Agency could have been bought and paid for during the Bush years.

Just wait til the doors fly open in the EPA and FDA....you will want to vomit.
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jksmith76
01:41 PM on 03/08/2010
Sorry, not into buying death-traps! Like millions of others, I would never consider buying a Toyota! Toyota can do whatever thy want--but I'm done with them.
01:24 PM on 03/08/2010
Toyota gave $833,000 to McConnell Center & considers KY Senator its main DC assets. Is this a conflict? http://shar.es/mHatG
01:21 PM on 03/08/2010
R-MS GOV BARBOUR stated on CNN - If Congress and the Obama administration respond to this controversy will have real economic consequences.

Funny- that witness from Tennessee seemed to contact everyone but her Senators and REP--

My my my- ALL GOP!

Wonder why the Federal Safety Agency did not work?

GOP Federal Safety Agency - just another FAILED GOVERNMENT AGENCY or the GOP turning BLIND EYES for the sake of NON UNION JOBS in the RED SOUTH!

Oh wow!

Mr. Barbour- Just like your CASINOS-that were supposed to pay for schools in MS!

Mississippi the Vegas of the South!

Where is that Casino money Governor?

Now you are cutting EDUCATION!

Are you concerned about all those NON UNION JOBS?

Funny- RED STATE MISSISSIPPI- ranks 50th for EDUCATION and HEALTHCARE!

Don't take my word for it- it was on CSPAN!

12-6-09 Sen. Wicker R-MS on C-Span- Y his state ranked 50 for Healthcare? His answer: MS ranks 50 in education!

What have you done for your state sir?

Ironic- your first move after Katrina was to get those CASINOS LAND LOCKED through LEGISLATION!

You are amazing!

How many FOREIGN WORKERS have you imported to LABOR in those CASINOS?
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nick1936
12:01 PM on 03/08/2010
Get these DEATH TRAPS off the roads now.