Eliza Manningham-Buller: Former MI5 Head Says U.S. Lied To Allies About Torture

By DAVID STRINGER | 03/ 9/10 05:28 PM | AP

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"The Americans were very keen that people like us did not discover what they were doing," Manningham-Buller told a meeting at Britain's Parliament.

Britain's spy agencies have come under heavy criticism for their alleged collusion in the torture overseas of terrorist suspects, including detainees held in U.S. custody.

In a recent court ruling, one of Britain's most senior judges questioned MI5's record on human rights and claimed the agency may have misled Parliament and the courts about how much it knew about mistreatment.

Manningham-Buller said that in 2002 or 2003 she questioned how the U.S. was able to supply Britain with intelligence gleaned from Sheikh Mohammed.

"I said to my staff, 'Why is he talking?' because our experience of Irish prisoners, Irish terrorists, was that they never said anything," she said.

"They said, well, the Americans say he is very proud of his achievements when questioned about it. It wasn't actually until after I retired that I read that, in fact, he had been water boarded 160 times," Manningham-Buller said.

She said the "Americans were very keen to conceal from us what was happening, as they were from many of their own people."

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Manningham-Buller spent 33 years in British intelligence, and was head of MI5 between 2002 and 2007.

She said that, during that time, Britain's government complained to the U.S. about its treatment of detainees, but declined to offer details. "The government did lodge protests and I'm not going to say any more on that," Manningham-Buller said.

She said British spies are proud to be quietly effective, unlike the gung-ho U.K. intelligence officers portrayed in TV dramas. But she joked that members of U.S. President George W. Bush's administration, including Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, may have been inspired by on-screen excess.

"One of the sad things is Cheney, Rumsfeld and Bush all watched '24,'" Manningham-Buller said, referring to the popular TV show about a counter-terrorist agent.

Last month, Master of the Rolls David Neuberger, a senior judge, said MI5's insistence in a court case that it was unaware of the harsh treatment of some detainees held overseas in CIA custody was unreliable.

The ex-spy chief confirmed Tuesday that Britain was aware of mistreatment cases before she left office.

In an original draft of a ruling, Neuberger also criticized MI5's supposed lax attitude toward the mistreatment of detainees.

Manningham-Buller's successor, current MI5 director Jonathan Evans, has rejected the claims, and warned that the courts risk being exploited by those seeking to undermine British counterterrorism work.

The ex-chief said she believes that the allegations of complicity in torture could disrupt the work of MI5 staff.

"The allegations of collusion in torture and the lack of respect for human rights will wound those individuals personally and collectively, and in some respects – whether proven or not – it will make it harder for them to do their jobs," she said.

Police are investigating whether one MI5 officer – known as Witness B – is guilty of criminal wrongdoing regarding the alleged torture of an ex-Guantanamo Bay detainee. In a separate case, the actions of an MI6 officer are also being investigated.

Britain's government also faces 12 legal cases mounted by former detainees who claim the U.K. was complicit in their alleged torture.

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morgan1   07:32 AM on 3/10/2010
All these admissions,investigations, and books outing the UK and US for lies, war crimes, etc. will lead nowhere. Blair is as guilty as Bush/Cheney for the illegal invasion, genocide, ignoring rules of law and war, torture, rendition, disappearances (Hundreds still unaccounted for)--It's a long list. We all know the truth, but no one is going to prison. No one is going to trial. No one (Except a few bad apples) are being charged and sentenced (Most with a slap on the wrist). Over here, Cheney and Rove out Plame and attacked the integrity of her husband--Are either of them in jail? Over there is Blair in jail? I rest my case.
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infidel2   01:19 AM on 3/10/2010
They all do it and they all lie.
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awa611   09:08 PM on 3/09/2010
OMG! This is so shocking. Um............. ok, not really.
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hereticalamerican   08:55 PM on 3/09/2010
NO?! The Bush (SYN. A$$HAT) administration LIED?! I think that if you could find proof that they told the TRUTH, that we would be shocked.
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AmandaBC   08:51 PM on 3/09/2010
And yet somehow we have to believe that they told us the truth and nothing but truth about 911...

[rolling eyes]
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Forester   08:45 PM on 3/09/2010
Dear MI5,
Your first mistake was believing Tony Blair who liked to h ump W's leg.
And your second mistake was to trust the US who were being controlled by PNAC.
Better luck next time chaps!
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lazercat2008   08:42 PM on 3/09/2010
Time to extradite Cheney.
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satanlite   08:24 PM on 3/09/2010
Well, if they need lil 'w or cheney in another country to stand for their crimes, as a US citizen I give them permission to use extraordinary rendition to snatch either one or both out of the country at an time.
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imsosure   08:16 PM on 3/09/2010
No one seems to want to comment on this post. that or they have tried and the editors in charge of the truth have edited them into the trash file.
blood1   08:04 PM on 3/09/2010
Now will Liz Cheney attempt to take on MI-5? Or will she ever acknowledge that her father is a fear mongering liar. Naw, she will say that GWB made her daddy do all those terrible things!
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TJCole   08:00 PM on 3/09/2010
You see failing to have the proper hearings and investigations and even trials not even reprimands of those who wrote memos saying torture was legal, we've allowed these same violators of Federal Law to destroy the little chance we had for change, even the crumbs Obama was actually prepared to give...and they are further doing harm to our nation...

Obama and Holder really blew it...same as with the bankers....they just don't get it...
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ProFormaArtista   07:57 PM on 3/09/2010
First, Bush failed to prevent 911, then he used that as an excuse to attack Iraq which was innocent of 911, then he scared Congress to pass the US Fascist Act that removes the Writ of Habeas Corpus, and he pulled some of the proudest democratic-style democracies like GB and Australia into his cruel coven of crime.

Why is Bush still walking the streets?
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inthedesert   07:48 PM on 3/09/2010
It's all about the total beauty of the overall plan to fool America and the World into thinking that Saddam had nuclear missles poised to destroy the World. HE DID NOT! It was a LIE...TOTALLY A LIE. BUT...thousands of young Americans and Iraqis are now DEAD because of this LIE. OMG...where is the outrage here folks??
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sviolette   08:39 PM on 3/09/2010
The outrage is right here. I've been protesting this since 2004 when the Abu Ghraib photos came out. We will never outlive this disgrace unless there are trials for the criminals.
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oxygen   08:54 PM on 3/09/2010
good job on the postings - I've been doing the same and of course some people think that's un american ! to stand up for this - if they need a selfish reason it's because it puts our own military and others at risk of people doing the same damn thing or worse to them

but why be selfish

and what does it say to our children as a society
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SouthSideHooligan   07:46 PM on 3/09/2010
if MI5 didn't know, then they're really, really bad at their job.

if they DID know, they're complicit.

either way, MI5's remarks are meant to absolve them. doesn't wash.
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sviolette   08:42 PM on 3/09/2010
That's like saying that if the CIA didn't know about 9/11 or about the lack of WMD in Iraq they're really bad at their jobs. You would be right. They are either really bad at their jobs or they have other reasons to make us believe they suck at their jobs.
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WYHKTai-Tai   05:47 AM on 3/10/2010
I've been watching a series of videos on the Iran Contra affair recently. Ironic, sad, and not just a little scary that the very same thing was said then. The very same thing was true then.

I got these from another poster on another thread, they're very interesting when you have the time, cut-n-paste-n-save if anyone is so inclined:

A good study of the imperialistic crimes of the United States can turn people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Z0CLD0kfI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3ioJGMCr-Y
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6171375275571061709

The history of banking, very interesting! No really it IS interesting!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6171375275571061709#docid=-515319560256183936
Macready   08:05 AM on 3/10/2010
great blog SouthSideHooligan . . . totally agree . . MI5 . . is trying to get themselves out of the soup with MPs
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senatortruth   07:37 PM on 3/09/2010
Those TRAITTORS Buhs and Cheeny lied to EVERYONE.

The Almighty SEES what they have done (MURRRRDDEER) and HEARS the LIES they spoke.

May he have mercy on their souls...

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