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Greek Debt Crisis Is At The Center Of The Credit Default Swap Debate

Greek Prime Minister Visits White House And Obama

STEVENSON JACOBS   03/10/10 12:12 PM ET   AP

NEW YORK — Derivatives have become a dirty word.

The complex financial products helped blow up the U.S. housing market. They all but sank AIG. Now European officials want to crack down on a derivative called a credit default swap. It's an insurance-like product that they say has worsened Europe's debt crisis and could bankrupt Greece.

Hold on, many experts say: Credit default swaps – contracts that insure debt – have actually prevented Greece's debacle from worsening. Without them, they say, investors would be less willing to buy Greece's debt. It would likely need a bailout to run its government and service its huge debt. That could threaten Europe's economic rebound.

"If we get to a point where we've had enough with credit default swaps, then I think Greece will have serious problems," said Darrell Duffie, a finance professor at Stanford University.

Sellers of credit default swaps agree to pay the buyers if the debt goes bad. With swaps, investors who lend to countries by buying their bonds can reduce their risk. Without them, Duffie and others say, Greece's borrowing costs would escalate because lenders would demand higher premiums.

That's not how Greece sees it.

It argues that traders of the swaps who bet against Greece's debt are raising its borrowing costs, making default more likely. It claims trading of swaps – which is unregulated – is racking up big profits for Wall Street banks and hedge funds at Greece's expense.

"Speculators are making billions every day betting on Greece's default," Prime Minister George Papandreou said this week in Washington, where his government is pressing the U.S. to restrict such trading.

Greece favors banning "naked" credit default swaps on a country's debt. In naked trades, the buyers of the swaps don't actually hold the underlying debt. Yet they can still profit or lose money on the bet.

Papandreou likened this practice to buying insurance on a neighbor's house and then burning it down to collect. Without naming names, he said some U.S. banks that were bailed out during the financial crisis are using naked swaps to make "a fortune out of Greece's misfortune."

Such speculation, he warned, could trigger a "domino effect" of higher borrowing costs for indebted countries around the world.

The prime minister said President Barack Obama, after a White House meeting Tuesday, offered a "very positive" response to European ideas for restricting currency trading. He said the issue would be discussed at the next meeting of the Group of 20 summit of leading and emerging economies in June.

Papandreou has yet to provide evidence showing that speculators are hurting Greece by using naked credit default swaps. And a major financial regulator of Europe's largest economy is disputing the claim.

Germany's market regulator, BaFin, said this week that it's found no proof of heightened use of credit default swaps to speculate against Greek government bonds.

A major cause of the rise in credit default swap rates has been growing demand for hedging against Greek risk, according to BaFin. It said data released by the U.S. Depository Trust & Clearing Corp. "do not point to massive speculative activities."

The Federal Reserve is investigating how Goldman Sachs and other banks are using credit default swaps and other derivatives. The Securities and Exchange Commission is examining the issue, too.

Speaking Tuesday in New York, the head of the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission renewed his call for new regulation of the $600 trillion global financial derivatives market. CFTC Chairman Gary Gensler said such action would "greatly reduce" the risk posed by credit default swaps. The swaps account for an estimated $60 trillion of the derivatives trade.

If Congress exempts derivatives trades used to hedge against risks from tighter restrictions, Gensler said in a speech, "there should be no such exemption for" credit default swaps. The swaps are conducted almost entirely among financial institutions.

The securities industry says that blaming the products for Greece's problems is akin to shooting the messenger. The price of the swaps reflects merely the perceived risk of buying Greece's debt, it says.

A year ago, credit-default swap investors had to pay $250,000 to insure $10 million of Greek debt, according to CMA Datavision. By last month, the cost surged to a record $420,000.

As of Tuesday, the rate had fallen to less than $300,000 after Greece announced a $6.5 billion austerity package. Still, that's about 10 times the cost of insuring $10 million of U.S. debt.

Analysts acknowledge that heavy buying of swaps can temporarily drive up a country's borrowing costs. Greece on Thursday raised $6.83 billion through a 10-year bond issue. It paid a hefty premium to buyers willing to take the risk.

Yet without credit default swaps, the country's borrowing costs "would be even higher," said Brian Yelvington, head of fixed-income strategy at Knight Libertas.

Unable to hedge their bets on Greece's debt, lenders would demand punishing premiums from Greece, and would themselves have to pay more to offset the risk of such loans, said Mikhail Foux, a credit strategist at Citigroup in New York.

"It would be destabilizing for everybody," Foux said. "As soon as you restrict the credit default swap market in even a small way, it will be more expensive to borrow and more expensive to hedge."

Foux and Yelvington say restricting naked swaps likely wouldn't make a difference for Greece. They say the amount invested in the swaps represents only a small fraction of Greece's outstanding debt.

Investors hold $406 billion worth of outstanding Greek bonds, according to Citigroup. But they hold only $9 billion in insurance against that debt through credit default swaps.

Goldman was already under scrutiny for currency swap deals it undertook with Greece to reduce that country's debt. Goldman defended the transactions last month. It said their impact was minimal and within the rules.

Goldman declined to discuss the inquiries.

The probes are the latest setback for the elite Wall Street firm. It came under criticism for its use of derivatives contracts during the housing crisis in 2008. When the subprime-mortgage bubble burst, credit default swaps that insured against the default of mortgage-backed securities collapsed. That led to the downfall of Lehman Brothers. The same fate nearly befell insurance conglomerate American International Group.

AIG was saved only through a $182 billion taxpayer bailout. Much of the rescue money went to meet the company's obligations on credit default swaps. And Goldman was among the biggest recipients of the AIG money, at $12.9 billion.

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AP Writers Marcy Gordon, Jeannine Aversa and Desmond Butler in Washington and Matt Moore in Berlin contributed to this report.

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12:38 PM on 03/20/2010
naked swaps raise the price of all swaps including those swaps which are actually serving as an actual hedge against actual lending. The argument made is that by allowing more participants, we the price becomes a better reflection of information about the borrowing party's solvency- but it can also *create* the information- it *can* effect the borrowing party's solvency.
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urnumbersix
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01:46 PM on 03/11/2010
Legalized Robbery! Period.
01:37 PM on 03/11/2010
Credit default swaps should be BANNED
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
05:14 AM on 03/11/2010
NE0CON CONCEPTS APPLIED TO GREECE:

1. Transfer control of Economy from Public to Private HANDS under Argument of efficiency!

2. Diminish Citizen Expectations Government improves their Lives! Argue Virtue of Sacrifice and Unequal Incomes as being Natural! GREEK R10TS!

3. Maintain High Unemployment to Fight Labor Cost Inflation! GREEKS SUFFER!

4. Public Relations Arguing Unemployment is Natural and Cannot be Defeated!

5. Argue HUGE Deficits are the Result of Social Programs!

6. Redirect ALL Public Spending on PEOPLE PROGRAMS to Military and Corporate Profits!

7. Broaden TAXES shifting BURDEN to LOWER INCOME Groups using withholding Taxes and Low Income Lids!

8. Low Interest Rates to Banks but High Rates and FEES to the Middle-Class and P00R! USURY!

9. Lower Costs of Trading on Market Exchanges!

10. Reduce import TAXES so other Countries cheap goods force companies OUT of USA to Increase Unemployment and keep US Labor Costs LOW and remove Unions!

11. Allow Foreign BUYING of USA Property and Unlimited Extraction of US Earnings to Foreign Countries (G0LDMAN took MOST of its INCOME in CAYMAN IS and paid 1% Taxes to USA)

12. FINAL STAGE: Transfer Government OWNED LAND, RESOURCES (01L, Gas, Water) to PRIVATE CORPORATIONS. At MINIMAL Prices!

13. FINAL STAGE: Transfer Government Functions to Private OWNERSHIP - 70% Complete! Transfer Public Hospitals, Water Works, and Services to “FOR-PROFIT” Corporations!
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
05:18 AM on 03/11/2010
14. Label ALL Services by GOVERNMENT as S0C1AL1STIC OR C0MMUN1ST1C and WASTEFUL! BL1ND PEOPLE TO THE VALUE OF GOVERNMENT! BEL1TTLE Government at every POINT!

15. TRANSFER SOCIAL RIGHTS to the Corporations!

16. USE FAKED CRISES, Hi-Technology Theatrics (Movie Production Quality) if people begin to Rebe1 against the Corporate TAKE0VER of G0VERNMENT to Create FE-AR and D1STRACTION! THE BIGGER THE MORE SALEABLE!

17. Transfer HEALTH and EDUCATION into C0RPORATE HANDS to Enhance Profits and the Shaping of Minds to the NE0C0N Philosophy.

18. Encourage all remaining Public Sector Agencies to adopt Corporate 0rganizationa1 Structures

19. Extract LARGE FEES for Use of PARKS and all Public Resources!

20. LOW TAX on Unearned Income from Trading, Value Extracting Schemes, Rent, and Interest, and HIGH Taxes on Earned income from Labor and Production - (Feuda1ism)

21. Deregulate/Abolish regulations that LIMIT “CREATIVE VALUE EXTRACTI0N” and allow Monopo1ies and Predat0ry Activities by the Financial Aristocracy.

22. Allow UNLIMITED Exp1oitation of Resources and Labor - Remover safety, environmental and consumer protection.

23. 1NSURE STRONG LEGAL SECURITY FOR PR0PERTY R1GHTS of the R1CH!

24. PROTECT FED + International Monetary Fund (IMF) + World Bank = T00LS OF THE F1NANC1AL AR1SOCRACY!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
03:00 AM on 03/11/2010
The Ever Increasing Parallels Between AIG And Greece... And The CDS Puppetmaster Behind It All

Tyler Durden 02/08/2010

This is yet another AIG in the making, with Goldman this time likely threatening to accelerate the collapse not merely of the US financial system, but of the global one, in order to attain virtually infinite negotiating leverage. Of course, the world will not allow a Greece-initiated domino, allowing Goldman to call everyone's bluff once again.

As the amount of gross and net sovereign CDS notional is constantly increasing, as more and more hedge funds join the shorting fray with Goldman as the intermediate (just like in AIG), it behooves any remaining regulators and any sensible Federal Reserve parties to supervise precisely what the terms of Goldman's collateral margins with various sovereign debt sellers are, especially when it pertains to increasingly distressed CDS, where a liquidity squeeze, again as in the AIG case, would have tremendous adverse downstream consequences.

If indeed Goldman's counterparties are the banks of respective countries, then the parallels with AIG are nearly complete. And we all know what happened then.

Furthermore, we are now convinced that Goldman will join the government in facilitating the engineered market swoon with a bifurcated goal: Treasury will offload as many UST as it can in the rush for safety, Goldman will jettison its own stock price in order to go private.

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/ever-increasing-parallels-between-aig-and-greece-and-cds-puppetmaster-behind-it-all
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Carolab
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03:05 AM on 03/11/2010
The overall amount of insurance on Greek debt hit $85 billion in February. One year earlier, the same figure stood at $38 billion. The surge in such types of trading invariably drives up the cost of insuring Greek debt. The cost of insuring Greek bonds nearly doubled in February compared to early January. This, in turn, worsens the budgetary plight of the country and brings closer the specter of default—and a jackpot for CDS speculators.

The list of world players in derivatives and CDS trading is headed by the US banks JPMorgan Chase, Citibank, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs. According to the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, United States banks held a total of $13 trillion in notional value of credit derivatives at the end of the third quarter of 2009.

US banks, however, are not alone in such trading. A number of Europe's biggest banks, including Credit Suisse Group, UBS, Société Générale, BNP Paribas SA, and Deutsche Bank, are amongst the biggest buyers of swap insurance. Their activities on the derivatives market reflect their exposure to the Greek economy. The Bank for International Settlements reports that French banks hold $75.4 billion worth of Greek debt, followed by Swiss institutions, at $64 billion, and German banks, with an exposure of $43.2 billion.

Or, as a former IMF chief economist put it, “Goldman has become the world’s biggest hedge fund underwritten by the US government.”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/mar2010/pers-m06.shtml
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03:36 AM on 03/11/2010
IE the U.S.
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12:15 AM on 03/11/2010
Here's the problem(s):

"I charge you $500,000 to 'insure' a $10 million debt held by someone else." However ...

(1) If you do not actually hold a security interest in the debt, then how exactly is this "insurance?"

(2) Answer: it's not. You're betting on the horse and I'm betting against you, or vice versa. Either way, we are merely gambling.

(3) Okay, then... the $10 million debt "goes south." Do you actually have $10 million to make good on your promise? Why, you don't! No more than Mr. Ponzi did, all those years ago.

Truth is... you have charged me half a million dollars, ostensibly to "insure" me with regard to a debt that neither you nor I actually own or have any part of ... and furthermore, you actually have no way to honor your obligation if you ever actually had to exercise it.

Fraud. Fraud. Fraud.

Let Rumpelstiltskin play his silly games on his own time with his own money, if he has any.
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
11:37 PM on 03/10/2010
Speculators (big banks and hedge funds) using their "bets" and a threat of higher interest rates to force Greek bailout.

Germany doesn't like it one bit.
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Carolab
Just another hostage of the poopy heads
11:48 PM on 03/10/2010
Germany holds the lion's share of Greece's debt, along with Switzerland and France.

Sarkozy is fine with this bailout. Not a peep from the Swiss.

Why is Merkel so glum and alone in calling for a ban on naked credit default swaps?

Or is this a good cop-bad cop production as the elites set the world financial regulatory regime into motion?
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Carolab
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02:43 AM on 03/11/2010
I read the Landesbanks are really stretched out on Greek CDS.

London investment bankers named the American insurer AIG as an additional seller of CDS.

http://seekingalpha.com/article/189764-aig-the-main-cds-insurer-for-greek-government-debt

So you don't suppose we are bailing out Germany and French and Swiss banks through AIG -- another backdoor bailout, anyone?
07:49 PM on 03/10/2010
Goldman to foreclose on Greek Pantheon

http://modonjon.blogspot.com/2010/02/goldman-in-titanic-struggle-to.html

Enjoy,

DonJon.
04:49 PM on 03/10/2010
Why let Lehman Brothers go bust? Well, a good deal of their sub-prime junk bonds had been sold to or via Iceland banks. Those banks in turn offered a very nice interest and people in e g GB gladly put their money in the Iceland banks. Hence the turmoil and around 240.000 Icelanders being broke.
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07:03 PM on 03/10/2010
"It would be destabilizing for everybody," Foux said. "As soon as you restrict the credit default swap market in even a small way, it will be more expensive to borrow and more expensive to hedge.

Expensive for who??? Goldman Sachs? Are they more important than the Greece government? Okay, yes, they are richer but are the bankers at Goldie ready to govern Greece when the government there fails? I'd love to see Sultan Blankfien try to govern the Greeks. Or is Goldma Sachs merely happy with profiting from destroying their victim and counting their ill-gotten gains?
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Carolab
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11:41 PM on 03/10/2010
Yeah, but Iceland said it won't pay the depositors.
02:56 PM on 03/10/2010
Excuse me, what's to debate? The rule is simple: the Federal Reserve and the US Treasury back ALL CDSs with cash and Treasury notes, with cash preferred by the big money recipients. The principle is: Wall Street America over Main Street America.
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LunaPark
Don't believe it until it's officially denied
04:55 PM on 03/10/2010
Yes, this is true, via AIG. This way, the Federal Reserve can denie any involvement directly with Greece. AIG is a horrific disaster for the American tax payers, their children, their grandchildren. Generations to come will be saddled with this debt and the interest sucking away on personal savings.
05:39 PM on 03/10/2010
How much does AIG owe?
02:42 PM on 03/10/2010
Oh irony. This time last year, the US banking sector was on the verge of collapse because of EU traders going full bore on naked shorting of US bank stocks.

Karma.
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harveyr2
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02:19 PM on 03/10/2010
Derivatives are/were not the problem.

Politicians are/were the problem.

Did a derivative ever force a government to take on too much debt? Never.

Politicians are solely to blame and until one has the guts to say so, we're doomed because they're not addressing the root of the problem.
05:01 PM on 03/10/2010
No, but derivatives have obfuscated the actual risk involved in a structured investment vehicle, putting lipstick on a pig in order to sell swank to investors. Derivatives are not all bad, but unless they are transparent and cleared through a central clearing house the OTC derivatives market creates an over-abundance of blackbox private deal-making.

60 trillion in contract value hidden behind a 14 trillion dollar pupppet economy, say that 5 times to yourself, and ask yourself do you really think everything is all proper and ethical with that out-of sight 47 trillion dollars gap?

Clear the derivatives, if everything is fine, whats the harm? If there's harm in transparency the public deserves to know the details.
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01:49 PM on 03/10/2010
Correct me if I'm wrong, but a little while ago, didn't a financail institution default on credit default swaps? So you buy this shakey, un-regulated product to hedge against a loss, but then you have systemic losses, and you find out the instiution that sold you the product doesn't have enough assets to cover the loss. So why do we need this bogus paper? No one ever mentions the up side to an increase in interest rates for borrowing. It's called savings. A side affect is also less borrowing. Now that ain't all bad. I have a bunch of bonds, they don't pay crap. I would love to see the interest rate go up to 5 or 6%. Maybe then people wouldn't think it was such a good idea to live beyond thier means.
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01:45 PM on 03/10/2010
Wall Street and its cousin across the pond "The City of London" are just going to have to get used to a world where the people say "no more" to it, as Iceland just did in voting not to tax themselves $120/mo for eight years ($11,520) total to make the European bank guarantors whole. I think there's going to be more of that going around, especially here in the States.

In Mexico in the mid-'90s Wall Street engineered a currency coup that tripled the debt owed by small businesses and family farms and also allowed for them to be massively ratejacked on top of it. Mexicans consequently formed the "el Barzon" movement and pushed back Wall Street and deposed their ruling party of 60+ years. In this country YouTube phenom Ann Minch has already declared the debtors' revolt and begun going after them http://www.revoltstartsnow.com

If you've been pushed under, you can read my book for free: http://www.scribd.com/doc/25443175/Debt-Hope-Down-and-Dirty-Survival-Strategies-Evaluation-Version-Complete
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01:37 PM on 03/10/2010
They will just call it something else. They named those things Credit default swaps because it was againt the law for them to sell "insurance" so they just call it something else other than "insurance" and it became legal. So when CDS become illegal they will just come up with a new name like "wilbur" and carry on. Any laws against selling "Wilbur"? NO! Are you sure? Let me check? No!nothing here says we cannot sell "wilburs" and here we go again.