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Chinese Minister Insists Google Obey China's Laws

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JOE McDONALD   03/12/10 02:32 PM ET   AP

BEIJING — China's top Internet regulator insisted Friday that Google must obey its laws or "pay the consequences," giving no sign of a possible compromise in their dispute over censorship and hacking.

"If you want to do something that disobeys Chinese law and regulations, you are unfriendly, you are irresponsible and you will have to pay the consequences," Li Yizhong, the minister of Industry and Information Technology, said on the sidelines of China's annual legislature.

Li gave no details of Beijing's talks with Google Inc. over the search engine's January announcement that it planned to stop complying with Chinese Internet censorship rules and might close its China-based site.

"Whether they leave or not is up to them," Li said. "But if they leave, China's Internet market is still going to develop."

China has the world's most populous Internet market, with 384 million people online. Google has about 35 percent of the Chinese search market, compared with about 60 percent for local rival Baidu Inc. Chinese users of Google and even some of China's state-controlled media have warned that the loss of a major competitor could slow the industry's development.

Beijing encourages Internet use for education and business but tries to block access to material deemed subversive or pornographic, including Web sites abroad run by human rights and pro-democracy activists.

Li insisted the government needs to censor Internet content to protect the rights of the country and its people.

"If there is information that harms stability or the people, of course we will have to block it," he said.

Responding to Google's complaints of China-based hacking against its e-mail service and several dozen major companies, Li said the government opposes hacking.

Google CEO Eric Schmidt said Wednesday that the company is in active negotiations with Beijing and expects some resolution in the dispute soon.

Speaking at a conference in the United Arab Emirates, Schmidt declined to provide specifics or predict how long the discussions would last. He said Google has decided not to publicize details of the talks.

Google hopes to resolve its standoff in China within weeks, a person with knowledge of the negotiations said Friday. This person, who spoke on condition anonymity because the talks are still unfolding, couldn't provide a more specific timetable.

Even if the China-based Google.cn search site is shut down, Google wants to keep a Beijing development center, advertising sales offices and a fledgling mobile phone business, according to a person familiar with the company's thinking.

Google will not say how many employees it has in China, but industry analysts estimate the work force at 700. The company, based in Mountain View, California, employs about 20,000 people worldwide.

Beijing has rejected suggestions by Western security experts that China's military or government agencies might have been involved in the hacking.

"You cannot find evidence about who organizes such attacks. The Chinese government has repeatedly opposed and deterred hacking attacks," Li said.

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AP Technology Writer Michael Liedtke in San Francisco contributed to this report.

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Tommygun264
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02:42 PM on 03/14/2010
Aw, isn't that cute - there's still one stubborn little government that thinks it calls the shots instead of transnational corporations. Now don't pout China, you may own the most US debt and call the shots in the little pretend world where all you consumers are divided up into teams with pretty flags, but don't get too big for your britches or your corporate overlords will see to it that you are replaced with someone more cooperative, lined up against a wall, shot, and have your organs harvested for sale.
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
12:01 PM on 03/14/2010
Judging by the quality of many of their exported products, they actually have laws and regulations? No way!!
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marleysghost
Ghost in the machine
11:45 AM on 03/14/2010
Time and technology are against the Chinese position. if they think this is the problem for social unrest they better start looking in the direction of the population of millions of young men without wives and families because of female infanticide. Men without women and stable lifestyles are much more of a threat to China's stability than the Internet, and when they get restless enough, it will be the internet that connects them to their shared discontent. Check out The Economist on Gendercide rampant in India, China and North Korea. Google is not the problem for future unrest in China, population policies are.
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
12:02 PM on 03/14/2010
Ah, yes, amongst other things, "selective abortions". Which is utterly disgraceful.
09:24 AM on 03/14/2010
This whole Google -China altercation is a US government coordinated scam to try to get better access to China's Uighurs and Tibetans. It is a covert operation to try to foment unrest and trouble for China. The Chinese see through this and are not perturbed. If Google wants to quit, so be it,
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Louis Leo IV
Louis is a trial lawyer, blogger & activist
02:13 PM on 03/13/2010
"If you want to do something that disobeys Chinese law and regulations, you are unfriendly, you are irresponsible and you will have to pay the consequences" - Meaning lock you up and throw away the key! (See http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/25/world/asia/25china.html) I applaud Google for not supporting China's ban on free speech. China is going to have to learn that you can't stop the flow of information, no matter how many people you kill or lock away...
02:33 PM on 03/13/2010
Want to bet that it can?

Actually most countries in this world have some sort of information control. Some are blatant and some are sutle.
09:29 AM on 03/14/2010
You are very naive if you believe anything which is printed about China in the US media.
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Louis Leo IV
Louis is a trial lawyer, blogger & activist
08:15 PM on 03/14/2010
Thankfully, I question everything that I read, not just things printed by our media.

So tell me why you love China so much? Do you support their oppressive government's view on human rights and free speech? (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989)
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Lahonda
Bynocent Instander
07:34 AM on 03/13/2010
A Chinese scientist described losing access to Google's resources would compare to losing his ability to see.
02:33 PM on 03/13/2010
That is a joke. Google.com is still available with simple tunneling technology.
Layman23
Do we want to live in the past?
07:03 AM on 03/13/2010
Okay, Then stop making lead toys, fake products, adding anti freeze as a sweetener.
07:36 AM on 03/13/2010
Chinese goods are above average. Do a tally of all recalls in the last two years and you will see Chinese goods recalls are not so bad, given its enormous size.

Lead toy scare is one of the most ridiculous. In the 80s it was still ok to have lead infused paint in US. It was banned due to health study. But China does not know about this and are still using the same technique. US QC never makes it an issue until when the currency devaluation becomes contested in 2008. And it suddenly turned into big headlines. Do the math and don't just jerk your knees.

China has since become more vigilant on lead paints. It is just different countries having different rules on what is acceptable materials.
Layman23
Do we want to live in the past?
11:41 AM on 03/13/2010
Knee Jerk reaction? Chinese companies will do anything. Havent you followed thai dairy milk scandal? Its one thing to have an accidental production run, but totally another to mix chemicals to maximize profit.

Sorry mike. Chinese companies seem to be good, only because of our regulations and quality control. Else all hell will break loose.
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
12:03 PM on 03/14/2010
Don't rationalize it.

Okay, they have different rules. If countries they export to have more strict laws, what are those countries doing dealing with China's apparently "liberal" attitude on what's allowed? More "conservative" anyway, at least politically speaking.
09:17 PM on 03/12/2010
Foogle Off you creepy psychos
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edude
08:33 PM on 03/12/2010
Ship the hell out! I've seen too many jobs in my field get shipped over there. If they're not willing to play fair, not follow the same rules of trade and openness as we do, then they they should lose a seat at the table. In this case, with google. Not to mention, their cyber-attacks on Google and god knows what other companies...
07:38 AM on 03/13/2010
It is google.cn, not google.com. Google never "ship" their jobs to China. Its office in China is focus on pushing google.cn into the local market. And it has succcessfully taken 30% market share of the Chinese search market.
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
12:05 PM on 03/14/2010
I appreciate your response to his claim. Google is more likely to offshore to India in the first place, but it is just about "the market".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgMn2OJmx3w
(start it at the 2:00 mark :-) )
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hypnotoad72
Real democracy = living wages.
12:04 PM on 03/14/2010
Well said!!
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JessWonderin
08:18 PM on 03/12/2010
China wants to control information on all fronts for the obvious reason . . . once the CHINESE PEOPLE realize the unlimited potential of free exchange of ideas and information the old think of uncompromising "Communist Emperor" will be overthrown

. . . the government FEARS information, because information and ideas will expose the weakness of a fear based cult bureaucracy of brutality . . . the world does not "need" China, China needs the world, for technology, business processes and a source for natural resources.
03:32 PM on 03/12/2010
It's a Google world now, the world of information available through Google. If Google leaves China, China will be in another world- the Baidu World, parallel and only partly overlapping. This will increase the structural isolation of Chinese culture from the rest of the world culture, in addition to the already great hindrance of the complicated Chinese language. Is this a good thing? Maybe, maybe not. But if Google participates in the false world China is determined to maintain, we all lose.
07:42 AM on 03/13/2010
That doesn't make sense. A single company who does search (living off breadecrumbs from the real content of the internet) will isolate China?

Think about it.
12:52 AM on 03/14/2010
All information will be represented on the net, and for now, it's a Google world of information, relations structured by search algorithms.. The world of information you access from the States through Google is essentially the same world of information a resident of Madrd or Caracas or Johannesburg accesses. Not so for China.