Democratic Senators Fight Obama Over State Projects In Health Bill

ALAN FRAM | 03/13/10 06:31 PM | AP

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WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama says he wants projects helping specific states yanked from the health care bill Congress is writing. Democratic senators, being senators, beg to differ.

The Senate-approved health measure lawmakers hope to send to Obama soon would steer $600 million over the next decade to Vermont in added federal payments for Medicaid and nearly as much to Massachusetts.

Connecticut would get $100 million to build a hospital. About 800,000 Florida seniors could keep certain Medicare benefits. Asbestos-disease victims in tiny Libby, Mont., and some coal miners with black lung disease or their widows would get help, and there are prizes for Louisiana, the Dakotas and more states.

"We're going to do what we have to do to get a bill out of the House and Senate," said James Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev. As for Obama's wish list of deletions: "We'll certainly keep it in mind as we pull together a final bill."

That tepid salute underscores the prickliness with which many senators have greeted what they consider Obama's meddling in their business and raises questions about how successful the president will be in erasing the special projects from final legislation.

It also highlights a spat between a White House and Senate, dominated by the same party, that the president has ignited just as he needs to garner support to finally push his No. 1 legislative goal to passage over monolithic Republican opposition and nervous Democrats.

Obama's proposal to eliminate state-specific items comes with polls finding heightened public opposition to backroom political deals. Republicans have been happy to fan that discontent. Many Democrats, particularly House moderates facing tight re-election battles this fall, are eager to dissociate themselves from such spending.

The president wants votes from House Democrats "who were deeply offended by those provisions in the Senate bill," said Sheryl Skolnick, who analyzes federal health legislation for CRT Capital Group of Stamford, Conn. "Clearly the math was, 'I gain more in the House by taking out those provisions than I lose in the Senate.'"

Obama has railed against the "ugly process" of cutting special deals, but the president and his top advisers were prime players in negotiations on the agreements to win votes and push the legislation forward.

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Republicans say Obama's push to remove deals for states won't help. Because every Democratic senator voted for that chamber's bill and all its special provisions, even voting later to remove them leaves those Democrats in a pickle, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., told reporters Friday.

"They will have then voted for them before they voted against them," McConnell said of the bill's projects, an echo of the line that 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John Kerry uttered that proved politically damaging.

Obama came out with a summary last month of the nearly $1 trillion health overhaul legislation he wants. It specifically eliminates $100 million in extra Medicaid money the Senate bill provided solely to Nebraska to help win support from that state's Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson. The so-called Cornhusker Kickback drew such widespread scorn that even Nelson favors repealing it.

Obama also proposed changes in the Senate bill that, without mentioning it, deleted extra Medicaid money for Massachusetts and Vermont, the Florida Medicare exemption and some money for Michigan, according to White House officials.

Days later, at Obama's nationally televised meeting with bipartisan leaders on health care, his 2008 presidential rival, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., criticized the Senate bill for exempting 800,000 Florida seniors from cuts in the privately run Medicare Advantage program. Obama surprised him by agreeing, and that tone has carried over as the White House and top congressional Democrats labor to complete a compromise health package.

"We've made it clear to the Senate that the president's position in the final legislation should not contain provisions that favor a single state or a single district differently than others," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said this week.

There are exceptions. The White House says $300 million for Louisiana, which helped win support from moderate Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., should survive because of that state's struggle to rebound from its 2005 pummeling by Hurricane Katrina.

Even so, Obama's targeting of state projects is going over poorly in the Senate.

Take Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., who helped win extra Medicaid money for his state in the Senate health bill.

Vermont is one of several states that have already boosted the benefits they provide to many poor people. All states would get added federal financing for a nationwide Medicaid expansion under the Senate bill. But states such as Vermont – already providing more generous benefits – say they're being shortchanged and don't want Obama taking that money away.

"What I told Harry Reid is that Vermont does the right thing, and I don't want Vermont to be penalized for doing the right thing," Leahy said.

The White House asked lawmakers to delete $100 million to build a public hospital in Connecticut inserted by Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn. But the money will remain in the final bill, according to people familiar with Democratic negotiations who spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose the unannounced decision. Less certain is the fate of other money the White House wants eliminated for Montana.

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., put a provision in the Senate health bill allowing many of the 2,900 residents of Libby to qualify for Medicare benefits. Some of them have asbestos-related diseases from a now shuttered mine.

"It simply doesn't make sense to ignore this obligation, or victims of these disasters," Baucus said.

Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va., won a Senate provision making it easier for longtime coal miners or miners' widows to get compensation for black lung disease.

The Senate bill also has extra money for hospitals and doctors in North and South Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

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Associated Press writers Erica Werner and Charles Babington contributed to this report.

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Coinyer101   03:12 PM on 3/13/2010
They ain't gonna put no p.o. in the reconciliation vote , so why are there still dems supporting this bs? Not too many months ago, there weren't many of yu'ns even remotely willing to accept a bill with no option to private. Now ya act like yer willing to take anything, even to the point of forcing folks to buy insurance that just skyrocketed through the roof with recent rate increases. Do you not see that  Read More...
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suzukimom   05:37 PM on 3/15/2010
Now I know why Bernie Sanders supports the bill... $600 million over ten years for Vermont is a lot of money. So at least we know Bernie's price to sell out the rest of us.

I heard him in an interview last week, and he was complaining about how Kucinich won't get behind the bill. In doing so he attempted to paint Kucinich in a negative light. It is deeply disappointing that someone we might have thought of as having a great deal of integrity, Sanders, has not only sold out on his own ideals and the American people but would also attack the only Democrat, Kucinich, who has not sold out. Very sad.
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ladbrady   03:52 PM on 3/15/2010
Shove off Baucus, you maroon.
okayigive   08:22 AM on 3/15/2010
Well, no surprise here, the formatted audience participation soap opera continue in Ameria's now titled drama "Health-Care Reform". Wake Up America!!! Each and every week for the last 15 months or so someone comes out with a new episode of twists and turns that the mass media will pitch as could this be... the cause of health-care derailment? A host of potentially new villians continue to surface while the masterminds of this drama keep trying to portray themselves as the heroes, telling everyone NO and start over!!! On cue the participants go into a frenzy name calling, labelling, arguing and debating the same information over and over again seeking that adrenaline rush of what will come next. It doesn't matter that the status quo is unsustainable both fiscally and in lives. Words like honor, ethics, morality, and trust are being eroded from our society. Lies are taken as truth and packaged as the core of American values. Truth is labelled as something we all need to run and hide from out of fear that something worthwhile and beneficial would help someone other than ourselves.
Okieborn   06:37 PM on 3/14/2010
Sen. Baucus ,
How are the payoffs going with the pharmaceutical and Insurance companies ??
sarabono   09:29 AM on 3/15/2010
And the Florida PAYOFFS, and Vermont, and Conn, and South Dakota, and North Dakota, and Nebraska, and Louisiana.......

This Bill is like the Stimulus, lot's of fat and little meat for the middle class working folk....

And did i memtion new fines (taxes) for the middle class....extracted via "big brother" mandates....
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ladbrady   03:52 PM on 3/15/2010
Well I suppose.
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Fotios   05:31 PM on 3/14/2010
Republicans think they can attack Democrats for voting for the state-specific handouts in the senate bill before voting against it. That is the funniest thing I have ever heard.

First, Republicans have been completely hypocritical and have flip-flopped on a number of issues during this debate, so they can mention the state-specific stuff and Dems can mention a number of things like the exchange, medicare cuts, etc.

Secondly, the state-specific stuff won't be in the bill anymore,so if they try to attack that element, they would look bad for not voting to remove that stuff when the vote comes up on the reconciliation bill,

Third, they said they were for reform, but haven't voted for it nor did they do anything about it when they were in power. Sounds like empty promises.

They are grasping at straws at this point
JanetE   07:45 PM on 3/14/2010
Here's the problem:

The current Senate bill (with all its inadequacies such as different states being allowed to slip while all the other states have to pay) is the one that has to be voted on WITH NO CHANGES.

If it passes, IT WILL BECOME LAW. PERIOD.

Now, I ask you . . . no matter what the Senate promises the House (yes, we will definitely make all the changes you want), why in the world would they? And how in the world COULD they? They barely got it passed the first time with it exactly the way it is.

The Senate would have to try to make the fixes the House wants, but the Senate didn't want those things, that's why they changed it to begin with!!!

And the changes would have to be done through reconciliation. However, only budget related matters can be voted on that way. And most of those fixes are not allowed to be voted on that way, they would have to have 60 votes, not 51.

So, you tell me. WILL the House get those fixes made by the Senate, no matter what they are promised? I highly doubt it.
wdw505   08:03 PM on 3/14/2010
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okayigive   08:36 AM on 3/15/2010
You say that the reconcilliation process relates to the budget, which is true. Please tell me which items listed in the articles can't be considered in the budget? Doesn't reconcilliation mean presenting a provision in the budget resolution directing a committee(s) to change existing law(s) in order to bring spending, revenues, or the debt-limit into compliance with the budget resolution.
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Fotios   05:51 PM on 3/15/2010
I'm guessing they will make those changes via reconciliation, but right now we are all just hoping the Senate lives up to their promise. I know that's a lot of hope to put on the body that has squashed almost all the hope that Obama promised, but I'm not as cynical as you yet (unless you never wanted this to pass in the first place). If the Senate bill does pass and the reconciliation doesn't, I will be in your cynical camp too, but in the mean time I'm keeping hope alive.

Also, the Senate does want to remove those things because it's the single state benefits that have tarnished the bill in the first place. Only a small handful of Senators voted for the bill because their states were getting handouts, but I'm guessing they wouldn't want to be singled out as the vote that killed health care reform because of their selfish handouts. They aren't Republicans.

So, if the main bill gets passed and the reconciliation gets passed, will you be happy or will you be angry? Either way, your going to have to eat your words here.
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partyof1   12:05 PM on 3/14/2010
Reid says taxes are voluntary.. another Liberal in his own universe. Thats the best news I have heard all day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6q0slMhDw8&feature=PlayList&p=4A0FF4339E8F12D0&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
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ladbrady   03:53 PM on 3/15/2010
duh
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massjim   11:32 AM on 3/14/2010
Do these Senators think this HCR bill is good for the country and their states or not? Then take out the pork and let them vote for it on the merits of the bill. If they are motivated by pork then we are not getting a reasonable appraisal on the merits of the bill.
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Kassandra   11:03 AM on 3/14/2010
Obama, in a rare display of sense, knows these earmarks will raise the cost of the bill exponentially
biabouman41   10:37 AM on 3/14/2010
This is OH so typical of Senators. Here they go again. The House and Speaker Pelosi do the heavy lifting and the Senators reward themselves. The President needs to call them out publicly, although I know he is not inclined to do so. The Senate is a terrible body of feather-bedding, do-nothings. We, the citizens need to change them as often as possible and in the case of Democrats, during the primaries.
Back to Speaker Pelosi, she is very, very effective and for this reason the Republicans has elevated her as a primary target. But the American voter needs to pay close attention to who has been effective on behalf of the Public and who is simply feeding at the Public trough.
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Kassandra   11:08 AM on 3/14/2010
Thank you. I think she's one of the best ones up there.
Schoolgirl666   08:09 AM on 3/14/2010
All these special deals should be funded by the companies who caused the problems, not funded by the American taxpayer. The coal and asbestos industries should be held accountable for the health problems they have created.
Agent672   03:55 AM on 3/14/2010
In regards to this bill I would like to quote former candidate Obama. "Enough!". Pass the damn bill!
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24hourrifle   08:12 AM on 3/14/2010
"former candidate obama"....y'mean that dude who used to be a progressive?......i remember him....that guy was f'king awesome.
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goldnchyl   08:45 AM on 3/14/2010
anyone who would consider Barack Obama a progressive at any time during the campaign was not paying attention. Or maybe suffering from the dreaded projection dis-ease.
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Pandaforum   01:35 AM on 3/14/2010
obamacare is a corrupt bill being passed by corrupt legistlators. the American voters will make their voices heard in the 2010 elections.
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Svrkevi   01:53 AM on 3/14/2010
bleh bleh bleh...can we please move on the education and immigration..I agree...you disagree..lets move on
AlGionfriddo   03:25 AM on 3/14/2010
I'm voting Democrat in 2010, but since I live in North Central Washington it won't matter much. Only Republicans get elected here. Patty Murray has my vote for Senate. Dino Rossi might run and could beat her. He's a right-wing kook and will get huge support from the entire East side of the state. Eastern Washington is a lot like Idaho. FoxNews conservatives.
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Solja   03:29 AM on 3/14/2010
We will definitely make our voices heard. It'll be so loud that you won't be able to hear the lies coming from the right. How much noise do you really think 22% of voters can make? You need to be concentrating on actually getting more of your kind registered instead of making pointless threats. We are laughing at you. LOL

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Patriotallday   07:32 AM on 3/14/2010
****The Cornhusker Kickback,,,the Louisiana Purchase,,,,the special back room deals for union members,,,and the special deal allowing Florida to keep Medicare Advantage while abolishing it in the other 49 states,,,,are all still in the bill...Makes you libs proud doesn't it? By the way,,,this train wreck of a bill is totally unconstitutional.
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nupe942001   07:47 AM on 3/14/2010
BOOM BOOM POW !!!!! you are Fanned !!
biabouman41   10:41 AM on 3/14/2010
very artistic. But then what else will you expect of Progressives?
sarabono   09:35 AM on 3/15/2010
Does the Big O think taxes are Voluntary like Senator Reid believes?

Thats the best news I have heard all day.

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billw8017   05:12 AM on 3/14/2010
If the Congress people were filling their own pockets as, say, Gingrich did with his special seminars for business people at the U of GA, it would be corrupt -- not corrupt enough to stop Republicans from re electing him as Speaker, but corrupt. If representatives want some of their tax money to come back to the citizens of their state, they are honestly representing their state.

If the Congress people call in the lobbyists to write their laws as the Republicans did with tobacco and with the broadcast spectrum, it is favoritism and corrupt so far as it was done for contributions, but NOBODY found this particularly objectionable and, certainly, not surprising.

I do not say that the ethical lapses of the Republicans justifies an effort by Democrats to compete in the great game. I just say charges of corruption ring very hollow when we consider how Republicans play the game.
JanetE   01:01 AM on 3/14/2010
Oh, I just found out something.

You know, there's an advertising/marketing gimmick called "the bandwagon approach".

As you may know, it's when you make people think that EVERYONE else is doing this so of course you should too. Pelosi etc keep saying OH, we are almost there, we will have ALL the votes we need in a few days ......

but I just found out that there are FIFTY-ONE Representatives who are still on the fence, still unsure of how they will vote. FIFTY-ONE.
Tuckerndfw   01:27 AM on 3/14/2010
We know Nancy is lying

If she had the votes, she wouldn't be talking about it.

She would have called for a vote & passed the Senate bill as her president ordered her to do.

They are all lying and have been since day one.
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Svrkevi   03:06 AM on 3/14/2010
whoa, HCR has been awesome...statements like this make it so entertaining..politics are going to get reaally boring once it passes though..sigh a slow summer.
littlerabbit   12:25 AM on 3/14/2010
Democrats just don't know how to be winners. When the R's were in the majority, they didn't have this kind of trouble.
Tuckerndfw   12:34 AM on 3/14/2010
Democrats' leadership works for the same people as the Republican leadership.

They are doing what they intended to do, force people to buy insurance.

That has been the goal since day one and here we are, on the verge of the president signing into law a bill that forces everyone to buy insurance.

They have been quite successful so long as you know their goal. Obama never intended to do anything he claimed. He threw his supporters under a bus long ago. As do most presidents.

They are corporate shills who are paid to convince people to vote against their own self interests.

Obama & Bush were both very successful at doing so.
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Svrkevi   01:55 AM on 3/14/2010
I don't see it that way...I see it as insurance companies being FORCED to carry us. To many companies take money from costumers...and then drop them when the costumer becomes them. Insurance companies will no longer be able to do that and will all now be forced to compete for us. Of course they're going to get PAID like crazy..but you the costumer decides which one...there is such a thing as a good insurance company.
Lairs   12:35 AM on 3/14/2010
WOW, are democrats waking up???
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Solja   03:31 AM on 3/14/2010
They had their own troubles. They just didn't handle their fights through the media.

Also, Democrats are not dittoheads. They actually all think for themselves; a trait Republicans might try sometime.
Tuckerndfw   03:36 AM on 3/14/2010
hahahahahaa. ..

Obama says jump and Obamabots say how high.

Obama feeds Obamabots rocks and they call them crunchy cookies.

There is no difference between Obamabots & Bushbots. They are equally clueless zombies.
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Passenger57   08:31 AM on 3/14/2010
You're right,littlerabbit...and LOOK where it got us!
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goldnchyl   08:52 AM on 3/14/2010
No, you're right. The "R's" ignored the troubles and let it trickle down to the people ... which is the main reason things are so f*cked-up now.
JanetE   11:51 PM on 3/13/2010
When we are young, we think our parents know everything, we look up to them and admire them.

As we get older, we realize they are only human and they do make mistakes.

And when we realize that, we feel disappointed.

Well, call me a late bloomer, but I have always felt that our men and women in Washington were intelligent and were listening to us and fighting for us.

And I have to tell you now, I am EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED. And sad.
Tuckerndfw   12:27 AM on 3/14/2010
I was a citizen activist (self financed lobbyist) for about ten years.

Most politicians are little more than used car salesman. They tell people what they think they want to hear. They promote the "good" while ignoring or downplaying the "bad."

Obama's mandatory insurance & pork bill is an excellent example.

If you pay attention to his pitch, he is extolling the virtues of buying insurance. That is his entire message. He wraps it in language that leads people to believe it will solve all their little problems when it will do no such thing.

He is an insurance salesman on a grand scale and no different than the guy coming to your front door telling you why you need to buy his amazing product.

Which about all any politician is.

There are rare exceptions but they don't usually remain in office for very long.
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stevebol   12:37 AM on 3/14/2010
Your right about the salesman part but I don't see any serious opposition to the current president. We just want to keep it clean and have a good debate in the next election. Our goals are long term.
We're sticking with the 3rd string quarterback.
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billw8017   05:17 AM on 3/14/2010
To really put yourself in their shoes, go out and raise a million dollars to keep your job. I am in awe that so many will risk it all to do the right thing as they see it.

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