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First Posted: 5/15/10 Updated: 5/25/11

(By PAN PYLAS, AP) -- The United States and Britain are more likely than Germany and France to witness an embarrassing downgrade of their top debt rating, agency Moody's Investors Service said Monday.

In a quarterly report assessing the prospects of the triple A-rated countries, including Spain and the "less fiscally challenged" Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden, Moody's warned that the economic recovery remained fragile in many advanced economies.

"This exposes governments to substantial execution risk in the implementation of their exit strategies, which could yet make their credit more vulnerable," says Arnaud Mares, senior vice president in Moody's sovereign risk group and the main author of the report.

Governments and central banks are looking at when and how to unwind their massive stimulus measures, which include historically-low interest rates, liquidity provisions, industry incentives and increased spending. Although some experts warn that exiting these policies too early risks creating a new economic downturn, they are also straining government finances.

For now though, Moody's said the triple A governments don't face an immediate threat to their top ratings as the servicing of the debt remains manageable - the top credit rating reduces the interest payments countries have to pay on their debt when going to the bond markets to raise capital.

However, debt affordability is "most stretched" in Britain and the U.S., Moody's said.

In light of the muted recovery from recession in many countries, Moody's said government action on spending and taxes is the main way of "repairing the damage" that the global crisis inflicted on government finances.

Moody's said triple A governments also face a "delicate balancing act" with respect to the timing of these adjustment and that tightening fiscal policy before the recovery has become self-sustainable could risk undermining the recovery, thereby damaging governments' power to tax. However, it warned that postponing fiscal consolidation much longer is "no less risky as it would test the patience of the market" and could force central banks to take the initiative.

"At the current elevated levels of debt, rising interest rates could quickly compound an already complicated debt equation, with more abrupt rating consequences a possibility," said Pierre Cailleteau, managing director of Moody's sovereign risk group.

The debate about when to start cutting spending is likely to be at the heart of the general election campaign in Britain, which is expected to formally kick off in the next few weeks - most commentators think that Prime Minister Gordon Brown will call an election for May 6 early next month.

While Brown's governing Labour Party is arguing that spending cuts should not be sanctioned until the recovery from recession is on a surer footing, the main opposition Conservative Party says it's imperative that the government gets a grip on debt soon to shore up market support.

Economists warn that Britain is on course to borrow the equivalent of 12.8 percent of gross domestic product in 2009/10 - exceeding the 12.7 percent forecast in crisis-hit Greece and far above the average 6 percent for Europe.

In the U.S., the budget deficit this year is projected to be just under 10 percent of the economy, meaning that the Treasury has to sell more and more bills to fund the shortfall.

One country that got a thumbs-up from Moody's was Spain.

It said that it was the first triple A government to rise to the challenge when faced with meaningful market pressure to announce such measures, although its adjustment process will "undoubtedly be drawn out and painful."

Other large Aaa governments are not immune to facing the same pressure in the coming months, Moody's warned.

"This exposes governments to substantial execution risk in the implementation of their exit strategies, which could yet make their credit more vulnerable," says Arnaud Mares, senior vice president in Moody's sovereign risk group and the main author of the report.

Governments and central banks are looking at when and how to unwind their massive stimulus measures, which include historically-low interest rates, liquidity provisions, industry incentives and increased spending. Although some experts warn that exiting these policies too early risks creating a new economic downturn, they are also straining government finances.

For now though, Moody's said the triple A governments don't face an immediate threat to their top ratings as the servicing of the debt remains manageable – the top credit rating reduces the interest payments countries have to pay on their debt when going to the bond markets to raise capital.

However, debt affordability is "most stretched" in Britain and the U.S., Moody's said.

In light of the muted recovery from recession in many countries, Moody's said government action on spending and taxes is the main way of "repairing the damage" that the global crisis inflicted on government finances.

Moody's said triple A governments also face a "delicate balancing act" with respect to the timing of these adjustment and that tightening fiscal policy before the recovery has become self-sustainable could risk undermining the recovery, thereby damaging governments' power to tax. However, it warned that postponing fiscal consolidation much longer is "no less risky as it would test the patience of the market" and could force central banks to take the initiative.

"At the current elevated levels of debt, rising interest rates could quickly compound an already complicated debt equation, with more abrupt rating consequences a possibility," said Pierre Cailleteau, managing director of Moody's sovereign risk group.

The debate about when to start cutting spending is likely to be at the heart of the general election campaign in Britain, which is expected to formally kick off in the next few weeks – most commentators think that Prime Minister Gordon Brown will call an election for May 6 early next month.

While Brown's governing Labour Party is arguing that spending cuts should not be sanctioned until the recovery from recession is on a surer footing, the main opposition Conservative Party says it's imperative that the government gets a grip on debt soon to shore up market support.

Economists warn that Britain is on course to borrow the equivalent of 12.8 percent of gross domestic product in 2009/10 – exceeding the 12.7 percent forecast in crisis-hit Greece and far above the average 6 percent for Europe.

In the U.S., the budget deficit this year is projected to be just under 10 percent of the economy, meaning that the Treasury has to sell more and more bills to fund the shortfall.

One country that got a thumbs-up from Moody's was Spain.

It said that it was the first triple A government to rise to the challenge when faced with meaningful market pressure to announce such measures, although its adjustment process will "undoubtedly be drawn out and painful."

Other large Aaa governments are not immune to facing the same pressure in the coming months, Moody's warned.

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(By PAN PYLAS, AP) -- The United States and Britain are more likely than Germany and France to witness an embarrassing downgrade of their top debt rating, agency Moody's Investors Service said Monday.
(By PAN PYLAS, AP) -- The United States and Britain are more likely than Germany and France to witness an embarrassing downgrade of their top debt rating, agency Moody's Investors Service said Monday.
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09:45 PM on 03/16/2010
That was a funny article. Who cares what Moody's rates anything? I mean there is a tremendous conflict of interest,t­hey are paid by the issuers so do you really expect them to give truthful,o­blective ratings. FNMA,AIG,L­EH and many other companies all had high ratings. FNMA and AIG had AAA ratings right until they almost went bankrupt and needed to get bailed out. Do you really ever expect Moody's,Fi­tch or S&P to give a country or a company that pays them a bad rating?
Anyone that believes the ratings agencies or think they are credible are living in a differnt time and world. I find it funny when Moody's downgrades companies after they default or go into chapter 11.
Moody's is a good tool of the shorts,sho­rt a stock and then call the agency to downgrade the debt and watch the stock go down(ALA a MBI,ABK,LE­H,BSC and countless others....­...)
09:14 PM on 03/16/2010
King Batguano's Prophecy

Here's the rub : The United States Constituti­on empowers Congress to ISSUE money . Therefore , to Hell with the Bank of England , the BIS Bank and the Federal Reserve " debt rating " . We need to borrow nothing and can create as much money as we need to pay off the " debt " , then abolish the currency and create a new currency . The PEOPLE will soon create a Debt Free , Interest Free Currency . The money " loaned " is nothing but computer entries backed by hot air . The Central Bankers think they will destroy America and create a North American Union , forcing us into Bankrupcy and giving them all the Land from California to Utah in compensati­on for the " debt ". Therefore , I , King Batguano , predict what will actually happen : The American People will not give the Banks California , they will give the Banks THE FINGER .
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06:55 PM on 03/16/2010
Here's your free lunch - with (almost) no strings attached:

Short any bet that's made unlikely by what Moody's claims in public.

I'm not a clairvoyan­t, but following this strategy was a clear winner in the past.

(as I said, I don't claim to know anything about whether or not the future will resemble the past - after all, would I busy myself in clownesque activity if I DID believe that? Hint: no, I wouldn't. My sincere hope is that the future will differ from the past.)
02:21 AM on 03/16/2010
Who in their right mind would give a micron of credibilit­y to Moodys? Oh, oh, I know, Sarah Palin, Chris Dodd, Barney Frank, Tim Geithner.
11:36 PM on 03/15/2010
The destructiv­e Libs need to be booted right away.
10:55 AM on 03/16/2010
the rupubs are are destructiv­e too..let's boot them ALL away.
10:56 AM on 03/16/2010
I'll refer you to today's John Stewart article.
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FoonTheElder
Always choosing between the lesser of two evils
04:07 PM on 03/15/2010
The same Moody's that rated junk mortgages with some of its highest ratings.
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WIpatriot
I've seen enough to make me Progressive
05:35 PM on 03/15/2010
Well S&P did it so it must be OK....
04:02 PM on 03/15/2010
I find it interestin­g that there are so few comments to this article and those that are here primarily criticize Moody's.

I understand how conservati­ve positions are disdained on this site. Having said that, is there anyone who understand­s that we are on a course to fiscal disaster if we don't reduce spending?

I realize the Republican­s failed at reducing the deficit and I believe that it is one of the reasons the Democrats were swept into the majority.

What is it going to take until the citizens speak in a unified voice that enough is enough?

My State, New York, has been become a poster child for fiscal mismanagem­ent and there is no sign that government has any plans to correct the situation.
04:09 PM on 03/15/2010
Sure, chum. You worry about spending, and the rest of the world will worry about jobs. You get jobs back, and the world will listen to you about your spending fetish.
04:19 PM on 03/15/2010
Fetish? I'm only saying that we can't continue to spend money we don't have. As with our personal lives, we need to set priorities­. Why can't we ask demand our government (Federal State and Local) to do the same.

I agree that jobs are our highest priority now, so money should be taken from something that is a lower priority to do what needs to be done.
04:36 PM on 03/15/2010
Let have a few facts please. The two countries that spent the most stimulus as compared to GDP were the US and the UK, and we see that both are around 10% and most of the GDP growth has been government spending, which will stop soon without adding jobs. The two counties that spent the less on stimulus as compared with GDP were China and India and their private market GDP growth is a little over 10%. Deficit spending takes money out of the private market and destroys private sector jobs. The world is watching and shaking their heads that the US is close to passing a new 3 trillion dollar entitlemen­t called ObamaCare and could lose their AAA status. This could be a perfect storm that will not bode well for the US. Government spending, especially while increasing the deficits does not work to create jobs, no matter what Krugman tells us. Use common sense to measure success in job creations. Since the 800 billion stimulus package was passed we have lost jobs. Search my posts to understand the 1.75 multiplier the CBO was required to use to pre determine that the stimulus created 1.6 million jobs. Finally, here is a quote from a well respected publicatio­n.
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FoonTheElder
Always choosing between the lesser of two evils
04:19 PM on 03/15/2010
Welcome to the results of 30 years of Reaganomic­s. The five highest presidenti­al terms with the highest percentage increases in deficit spending after World War 2 were the last five Republican terms of Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2. After decades of "Reagan proved deficits don't matter" (Dick Cheney) now all of a sudden, they do! After all of this time, trickle down and tax cuts for big corporatio­ns and millionair­es have created a huge deficit.

While Obama has done little to fix the problem, the problem was dumped in his lap by the party that wants to drown government in a bathtub. We always need to cut social programs so we can continue the corporate welfare programs that keep politician­s in Washington in campaign funds.
http://amp­edstatus.c­om/full-re­port-the-e­conomic-el­ite-vs-the­-people-of­-the-unite­d-states-o­f-america

85% of the current deficit is due to Bush wars, Bush tax cuts, Bush bailouts and Bush recession.
http://www­.cbpp.org/­cms/index.­cfm?fa=vie­w&id=3036

The states are largely directed by the federal government on what they are required to fund. The rest of the state budgets are largely mandated expenses, like education and roads.
04:26 PM on 03/15/2010
I tried to be clear that I understand the past mismanagem­ent. continuing to say "It's not our fault" does nothing to address the reality of where we are.

As for New York State's problems, passing it off on the Feds is a cop out. Sure that has contribute­d to the deficit but the majority of it is a self-infli­cted problem.
04:46 PM on 03/15/2010
Welcome to the world of expanding the national debt, which Obama is doing as amounts greater than any president. Blaming Obama spending on Bush is silly and adds nothing to the discussion­. Seems to me I remember the Bush deficits being the greatest in 2006 through 2008 when the Democrats were in charge and which Obama voted for. Let's stop the blame Republican­s and Democrats game and blame bad policies. Also, the last bipartisan effort I remember was voiting for the Iraq war. How is that working out? Those darn pesky facts seem to get in the way of ideology don't they? Both parties got us down this road and instead of telling us the truth about the over 50 trillion in unfunded liabilitie­s, they have done a fine job of pitting the folks against each other as the US nears the brink. Without a strong economy, debt reduction, tax receipts; there will not be any entitlemen­t programs to help out the poor. But hey, certain folks can say “we won” and it is those bad Republican­s that caused the ruin of a once great nation. I am on the side of American and not some political party.
03:01 PM on 03/15/2010
Let's not forget Standards and Poors.
02:51 PM on 03/15/2010
Have virtually all the Huffpost readers not realized they are two things: Dead right and whistling in the wind? Washington­. The big pond. SIX A.M. July 4, 2010. No signs. One voice: CLAWBACK. Michael Lewis invests it for our GRANDCHILD­REN'S education. Not a penny before. What say ye?
06:39 PM on 03/15/2010
Try that in English.
02:31 PM on 03/15/2010
Who trusts Moody's?
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03:00 PM on 03/15/2010
Bingo. "The men who would be king-maker­s." A company that wants you to believe that its word is objective and above-repr­oach just because they uttered the words ... that is, until those words are proved false at which the company insists "it's just free speech."

You don't exactly need their little letters and plus-signs to understand the truth of what is going on here; of what has been going on for a very long time.

Any "sovereign country" can print money. "W00T. W00T. B1G. D3AL." They can take on any amount of "debt" based on the "full faith and credit" of their country. "S0 WH4T." You'd be much smarter to look at the ships coming into and out of their ports. If you see "ships coming in full of 'things' but ships going out full of 'rocks'," you really don't need to hear anything from Moody's Investment Service.

Bankers know how to play shell-game­s. They can "of course" make the numbers tell any lie that they want. But they can't alter the fact that goods are flowing in but not out. They can't alter the fact that the nation has dismantled its own internal means of production and is leaning over the gambling table, a glazed look in its eyes...
02:18 PM on 03/15/2010
If anyone should know AAA ratings, it's Moody's. Why do they still exist? The world crashes, because Moody's has no idea what a rating is, and now readers are supposed to look to them for . . . what? Utter nonsense. It's like Republican­s are not really made up of the Bush/Chene­y/Rove/Tea Party ilk. Hey, everybody, let's pretend it's 2005 again, and see if things work out different this time.
02:36 PM on 03/15/2010
Exactly what I was thinking. It's even worse then that, here is a Financial Times article from May 2008, right before Lehman collapsed,

"However, the triple A ratings that Moody's awarded to some early deals were based on a model that contained an error in its computer coding and these ratings should have been up to four notches lower, according to internal documents seen by the Financial Times. Billions of dollars could have been affected"

and from Bloomberg April 2009,

"He and his wife, Sally, held $40,000 in Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. bonds because all three credit raters gave them at least an A rating -- meaning they were a safe investment -- right until Sept. 15, the day Lehman filed for bankruptcy­. "

Way to fail.
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03:06 PM on 03/15/2010
Please don't blame the computer programmer­s.

When the three-legg­ed stool of insurance, finance and banking was dismantled (again) by the repeal of Glass-Stea­gall, organized crime wasted no time moving back in. And the "objective­" credit-rat­ing agencies did their part to facilitate the swindling, the usury and the securities fraud.

Through the simple high crime of bribery, organized crime swiftly transforme­d the entire US Federal Government into a facilitato­r and an enabler of its criminal undertakin­gs.

But what can they NOT overturn? Easy: "reality." They can't cause their wooden puppet to become a Real Boy. They can shuffle the numbers. They can invent improbable terms like "under-emp­loyment." But they can't reverse the damage caused by their crime, and they can't stop committing the crime. CRIME DOES NOT STOP ITSELF. EVER.

Eventually you realize that you must tightly plug-up your ears and run away as fast as your legs will take you.
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01:08 PM on 03/15/2010
Michael Lewis thinks real highly of Moody's. I'd trust Tony Soprano more.
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returntocommonsense
Democracy is a verb - or at least it should be.
01:37 PM on 03/15/2010
Sounds like an attempt at blackmail to me.
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melton244
12:54 PM on 03/15/2010
It is just like the FDA and Big Pharma....­one in the same....
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12:45 PM on 03/15/2010
Like anyone would ever listen to Moody's again after they said nothing about all the risky paper that lead to the collapse.
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melton244
12:53 PM on 03/15/2010
You said it perfectly. Not for the next 30 years will people believe the rating agencies, its an insider deal, and we all know it now. We may have thought it, but now WE know it.
07:00 PM on 03/15/2010
That ought to be true, but it is not. The rest of the worlds bond markets still listen to Moody's. And because there is no alternativ­e there are trigger mechanisms built into financial systems, sometime by law, that require instrument­s to be bought and sold based on ratings. So when Moody's downgrades something there are mandated actions that will instantly be taken. And in the case of US debt, those actions will not be good. The change in rating of Treasury debt will effect taxes, budgets at the state and local level, balance of payments, jobs, everything­. The financial world is interconne­cted and the lines of communicat­ion are the bond ratings. You can see what the relatively minor error in subprime ratings did, it almost crashed the entire US economy. This new ratings change is much bigger and much worse. We are facing a once in a century sized financial problem and I would like to hope that the best and the brightest are in charge and doing something. I would like to feel the way the country felt about FDR when they elected him four times because they knew he would fix the problem. But who feels that way about the clueless Obama? And after him who stands out as a strong, fearless defender of the peoples economy? Nobody. We are doomed.
fuzzychickens
The higher the power, the bigger the lies
12:35 PM on 03/15/2010
You should care what they say.

They had a hand in the raid on treasury and now these backstabbe­rs are pointing out the obvious.

"Hey, my pals and I created a mess then robbed the treasury and jacked up the debt for your children to suffer when the country goes into bankruptcy - oh by the way, we think the credit rating on that debt could be downgraded­"

Well duh, and I have a spot saved for you when heads start rolling.