"I started to read it, and he said everybody ought to try to get me or something -- and I said, This poor guy," Ailes told me. "I sort of feel sorry for him. If you get run out of The New York Times, that's as bad as it gets, I think. So you don't want to go after other people. I thought it was kind of a guy sitting in a dark room going crazy because he's not in the game anymore and deciding who's good and who's bad. I don't think that's his place. We all know what his mark on journalism was, so it's not worth talking about."