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From Outrage To Yawns: How War Has Dropped Off The Political Landscape

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First Posted: 06/08/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:05 PM ET

Over the past few weeks, the news out of Afghanistan and Iraq has been pretty grim. Abstruse and bizarre comments from Afghan President Hamid Karzai troubled America's diplomatic community; violence followed the election of Iraqi president Iyad Allawi; and a leaked, two-year-old video showing the killing of civilians in New Baghdad raised fundamental questions about U.S. military policy.

It's a sequence of stories that two years ago would have produced howls in Congress and spurred demonstrations outside the Beltway. Today, the fallout is negligible.

America's military campaign in Afghanistan and its draw-down in Iraq are hardly resonating on the political landscape. Lawmakers who came to office in recent years largely on an anti-war wave don't touch the topic. Progressive groups -- who rallied feverishly against the Iraq War and opposed further escalation in Afghanistan -- have ceded that debate is now static. Even those in charge of getting Democrats elected to Congress argue that there will be little friction within the party over the course the wars are taking.

"I think that people will understand what the stakes are going into November even if there may be disagreement with the president, whether it is on Afghanistan or some other foreign policy," said Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Mary.) who chairs the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee. "[T]here are clearly going to be Democrats who disagree with president's polices on Afghanistan. I still believe that they will be moved and motivated to come out to the polls for all the other issues that are at stake."

It's a remarkable reversal from what the state of play was just a few years ago. Back in October 2007, 62 percent of respondents in a Gallup survey labeled the Iraq war as their top priority (more than double the next issue: health care). This past March, only five percent of respondents in a Bloomberg poll said that the war in Afghanistan was the most important issue facing the nation right now, trailing, among other items, spending and the deficit.

Not all polling numbers echo Bloomberg's. And the differences between Iraq in 2007 and Afghanistan in 2009-2010 are vast. But the fundamental message sent by the numbers is shared among foreign policy and public opinion experts: war abroad is spurring yawns at home.

"It is out of the minds of voters because it is not on the news," said Mark Blumenthal, editor and publisher of Pollster.com. "It is not on the news they watch on television or the news they read in the papers or online. Couple that with the fact that the economy is a big deal and people are paying much less attention."

This development is owed to a confluence of contemporaneous events. As Blumenthal notes, a lagging recession has consumed the attention of much of the American public. A health care battle that lasted longer than a year has sucked the oxygen out of Congress. Finally, the country is suffering from a collective bit of war fatigue, having watched the operation in Afghanistan progress for more than nine years; and that in Iraq, seven-plus years.

And yet, the fact that Karzai's threats to join the Taliban haven't resonated further on the political stage -- or that a leaked 2007 video showing U.S. military personnel shooting a group of journalists and onlookers in Baghdad hasn't triggered larger howls of outrage -- can't be explained by these factors alone.

As it stands now, the groups that traditionally express the loudest concerns over such developments are choosing, instead, to stay largely muted. John Isaacs, the executive director of the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, said his organization remains frustrated with the situation in Afghanistan. But rather than work actively against the Obama administration in an effort to get troops out, they have instead invested their energies towards policy they actually think they can affect: nuclear weapons proliferation.

"We have a possibility of achieving positive things as opposed to working against negative events. We are trying to work for nuclear treaties and get weapons removed," Isaacs said. "It is more satisfying to get a positive accomplishment then to work against something we don't like."

Having a Democratic president in office has, indeed, changed the dynamics in fundamental and sometimes difficult ways for the progressive community. And it's not just simply because it presents more opportunities for collaboration than existed under George W. Bush. While a variety of organizations and lawmakers have come out against the surge of troops in Afghanistan, it's not clear if the message has spread to their constituencies or memberships. It certainly hasn't been picked up by the broader public. Stan Greenberg, a prominent pollster within the party, noted that Obama enjoys his highest approval ratings on Iraq and Afghanistan. Some of the messaging he's tested, meanwhile show that "voters are very responsive where Democrats talked boldly about our foreign policy of taking it to the terrorists."

For a group like MoveOn.org this presents a bit of a depressing dilemma. The organization, which cut its teeth opposing the war in Iraq, came out publicly against Obama's plans to send more troops to Afghanistan in early December. Since then, little has been done to push its members on this front. While MoveOn's electoral roundups from 2006 and 2008 both tout the fact that they channeled a strong anti-war sentiment into an electoral force, currently the group doesn't even list Afghanistan on its website's home page.

"Our members still have a watchful eye on the events unfolding in Afghanistan and Iraq, but the combination of trust in President Obama's promise of diplomacy and withdrawal and an economy that means they are struggling to make ends meet at home has kept the wars from being a flash point for sustained political activism this past year," said Ilyse Hogue, the organization's communications director.

If having a Democratic president in power has created a kind of political paralysis for Democratic voters opposed to the Afghan surge, the situation on the ground has created legislative lethargy for lawmakers. House liberals, led by Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), were able to force a vote this past month to cut off the funding for continued operations. It failed. Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.), meanwhile, is set to introduce legislation calling for a "flexible timetable" for a troop withdrawal. Beyond that and the occasional hearing, it's been slim pickings. And the main reason why, experts say, is because the options right now are limited.

"There isn't another leader we can turn to. I think that was apparent from the election," said Teresita Schaffer, director of the South Asia Program at the Center for Strategic International Studies. "I suppose in principle the U.S has the option of providing less support to Karzai but, at the moment, that would be a perverse option because a strategy that includes increasing military strength rests on three legs: economic, military and political. And the latter two rest on having a government in place that can exercise leadership."

Of course, Feingold, Kucinich, and a whole host of other voices would disagree with such a premise. Why America has invested so much in Karzai -- or for that matter Afghanistan -- in the first place remains a mystery. Any further involvement, likewise, is money, time and lives wasted. But the voice that matters, in the end, is Obama's. And to this point he has neither been pushed, nor shown much willingness, to alter his plans.

"I think it is true that progressives do not want to take on this war partly because they think it will hurt their specific domestic causes, partly because they think it will be disloyal to Obama," said Robert Greenwald, the activist filmmaker who has spearheaded anti-war efforts. "In the end, not pushing Obama on this is one will be one of the greatest single mistakes progressive will make and will continue to make."

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Over the past few weeks, the news out of Afghanistan and Iraq has been pretty grim. Abstruse and bizarre comments from Afghan President Hamid Karzai troubled America's diplomatic community; violence f...
Over the past few weeks, the news out of Afghanistan and Iraq has been pretty grim. Abstruse and bizarre comments from Afghan President Hamid Karzai troubled America's diplomatic community; violence f...
 
 
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01:21 PM on 05/06/2010
I wonder how adults explain the concept of revenge to their 5 year old kids in America !
3000 plus persons died in the Twin Tower attack, amid howls of anger and grief you invade two countries kill hundreds of thousands and spend over 2 trillion in borrowed cash !
Is that something you would say is smart and intelligent ? sounds moronic to me !
What is not so amusing is that ordinary Americans will be paying for these wars for decades while the Power Elite has already reaped billions in profits from this Arms and Debt bonanza .
There has never been a more gullible public than the American public. Two generations of people watching 4- 6 hours of propaganda on TV per day has done a bang up job of lobotomizing the average American.
Today debt slavery is called freedom and the ability to comment on issues is seen as freedom to change government policies. As long as the Power Elite gets to print the currency and own all the debt in the economy Americans will be allowed some token victories.
Welcome to the Brave new world !
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Jacobin1789
12:24 PM on 05/06/2010
Drop an atomic bomb?--Democrat. Invade Cuba?--Democrat. Escalate Vietnam War?--Democrat.
Go to war in Somalia and Yugoslavia?--Democrat. The Democrats are the biggest obstacle to change because they are able to fool so many people who want change.
01:46 PM on 04/13/2010
Hold up folks. It's Bush's war. And Chaney's war. Obama only inherited it. Peace. Now.
07:36 AM on 04/13/2010
One problem with a mature democracy is that a people’s urge for freedom fragments and instead of using collective will to seek a saner role in the world the great issues become abortion, healthcare and gay marriage while most of the rest of it is left to be chewed over by a bunch of blind rodents.
02:57 AM on 04/13/2010
Patience. And do the right thing while you wait.
01:36 AM on 04/13/2010
We as a people supported the massacres of two million innocents.

It is not only the politicians who do not want to touch that topic. It is us, the people, too.

We have accepted blatant lies - again - to go to war and destroy lives by the millions. That is no small error of judgement. It is a massacre for profit. And we know it. We have to look away to apease our conscience and tell ourselves that in some convoluted way all that was justified when conscience demands us to accept the fact that we were wrong.

The problem is we can not be the self appointed leaders for world peace when we are the ones who destroy nations and millions of lives for the profit of the richest based on lies so blatant we should have seen them. We have to tell ourselves that there is more to it - somehow - somewhere. We allowed Bush to burn tens of thousands of mothers and children alive with WMDs (White Phosphorous) and we were told the three year old boy hwos skin was burned right off his bones was an enemy combatant. Adn not seeing that boy, blackened and scorched, we decided not to look closer. When mercenaries shot randomly on passign cars we made ourselves believe those guys had perfect intel and could spot terrorists.

It is more than hard to see reality and know that we took part in those massacres.
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Snarkyone
07:21 PM on 04/11/2010
The bottom line is that our government INSIST that OUR GUY, be the one running the show. What a fine example we are setting for democracy....where it's the most beautiful thing in the world as long as it's your guy calling the shots. It sounds an awful lot like the Republican ideal of a democratic republic.
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05:03 PM on 04/11/2010
The difference is that this is Afghanistan war.
The charge that the anti-war Left has become pro-war because Obama is now the President is patently bogus.
Pure bunk.
The ant-war movement was predominantly, if not exclusively, against Iraq war.

There was virtually no opposition to Afghanistan war, either domestic or foreign.
In fact, every time the Left was called "peaceniks" and "terrist sympathizers", the response from the Left was that they supported Afghanistan war and that they supported going after those who hit us on 9 1 1. They were against Iraq war because that had nothing to do with 9 1 1.

Afghanistan war vote:
House Joint Resolution 64: 420 Ayes, 1 Nay and 10 Not Voting (the Nay was Barbara Lee - D-CA).
Senate Joint Resolution 23 passed in the Senate by roll call vote. The totals in the Senate were: 98 Ayes, 0 Nays

Heck! Even Kucinich voted for Afghanistan war.

Iraq war vote:
House: 297 Ayes, 133 Nays.
Senate: 77 Ayes, 23 Nays.
04:36 PM on 04/11/2010
Even Olbermann is saying where is the Outrag.e form the Media???

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/08/olbermann/index.html
04:03 PM on 04/11/2010
"It's a remarkable reversal from what the state of play was just a few years ago. Back in October 2007, 62 percent of respondents in a Gallup survey labeled the Iraq war as their top priority (more than double the next issue: health care). This past March, only five percent of respondents in a Bloomberg poll said that the war in Afghanistan was the most important issue facing the nation right now, trailing, among other items, spending and the deficit. "

A) In October 2007, Bush was president, and thus the press had every attack on the front page of every liberal newspaper in the country. Anything to make the president look bad. However, in March, Obama was president, and the attacks seemed to just stop, I guess they don't want to make this president look so bad.

B) The Iraq war has also faded from interest since we have wasted the last year and a half whining about a health care fix that helps the minority of people (and pretty much shafts everyone else, especially the majority of us who work for major corporations).

Any combinations of those 2 explanations should suffice.
10:59 AM on 04/11/2010
"OUR GUY" is in office; why should "we" protest?
10:17 PM on 04/10/2010
The recent Obama and Karzai exchanges represent foreign policy poorly conceived and poorly executed. Does Obama’s strategy and behavior stem from his advisors in the White House? It seems doubtful that it would come from Sec’s Gates or Clinton. Mr. Obama, please get some maturity on your staff. Corruption? Is growing and selling poppies any worse than a defense dept with $758 Billion annual budget and all the ramifications? Is corruption in Afghanistan our business? Let’s focus on removing troops. And this paternalism toward Afghanistan and Karzai? The story in today’s nyt says it all.
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SvrWx
Eileen, toora tooluri Eh..
07:27 PM on 04/10/2010
It is amazing to me how quickly the anti-war protests became a non-issue.
04:16 AM on 04/11/2010
When the media is in bed with the administration, only warm tingles are reported.
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Tribal Knowledge
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
01:06 PM on 04/11/2010
Indeed,

Though you will hear a few true believers carping on posts like this, they no longer have the principles, or the guts, or the fortitude to stand against their guy.

Lemmings.
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BillForObama
Hail to the Chief! HAIL, he is the Chief!!!
08:20 PM on 04/11/2010
Tingle this!!!
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JakeMontero
Independent thinking
04:46 PM on 04/10/2010
It proves that most progressives are frauds. War is Ok when it's a Dem lead effort.
It's "the right war" as Obama calls it.
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NoProblemPablo
02:18 AM on 04/11/2010
Nope. We're drawing down in Iraq, that's why you're not seeing them. Afghanistan never roused the ire of progressives like Iraq did. If we re-escalate in Iraq you can expect to see protests again.
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Tribal Knowledge
Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!
01:07 PM on 04/11/2010
No, we wouldn't.

The draw down, we all know, was orchestrated by the Bush Admin, no intervention and no guidance has been needed (or given) by Obama. Flying 26 hours to give Karzai a 25 minute lecture on (get this) political corruption is the extent of his involvement.

That, and dithering.
jerryatthebeach
Till Death Do You Barrier Island...
04:30 PM on 04/10/2010
It's been going on for so long that it has become part of the landscape of our lives...
08:06 PM on 04/10/2010
It has become the "Forgotten" part of the landscape of our lives.
10:56 AM on 04/11/2010
Yes. It is frightening how easily we (as a society) get used to things; small abuses, a right diminished here, a new oppressive law there, a war here, a war there...things that would spark massive riots if they occurred all at once.

It is exactly like the story of boiling the frog.