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Arizona Gun Law: Concealed Weapons Allowed Without Permit Under New Law

PAUL DAVENPORT and JONATHAN J. COOPER   04/16/10 08:39 PM ET   AP

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PHOENIX — Favoring the constitutional right to bear arms over others' concerns about gun safety, Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill making Arizona the third state allowing people to carry a concealed weapon without requiring a permit.

The measure takes effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends, which likely puts the effective date in July or August.

"I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens, but restores those rights as well," Brewer, a Republican, said in a statement.

Alaska and Vermont now do not require permits to carry concealed weapons.

By eliminating the permit requirement, the Arizona legislation will allow people 21 or older to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

Supporters say the bill promotes constitutional rights and allows people to protect themselves from criminals, while critics worry it will lead to more shootings as people with less training have fewer restrictions on carrying weapons.

Some police officials are concerned the law will lead to more accidental gun discharges from people untrained in firearm safety, or that shooters in stressful situations will accidentally strike innocent bystanders with stray bullets.

"I know a lot of 21-year-olds; the maturity level is gravely concerning sometimes," said El Mirage Police Chief Mike Frazier, an Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police board member. "If you're going to be carrying a weapon you should know what the law is and how to use it."

However, the measure was supported by police unions representing rank-and-file officers, who said their best friend on the streets is a law-abiding citizen equipped to protect themselves or others.

The police chiefs group initially opposed the bill but then took a neutral stance after some provisions were changed at their request. Brewer's office also participated in negotiations on changes to the bill.

A Democratic leader, Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, of Phoenix, said the bill deprives law enforcement of a tool "to separate good guys from the bad guys." With a permit requirement, police encountering a person with a concealed gun but no permit had reason to suspect that person was not a law-abiding citizen, she said.

The Arizona Citizens Defense League, a gun-rights group that lobbied for passage of the "constitutional carry" bill, said gun owners foregoing permits still should get training. "The heaviest thing about wearing a firearm is the responsibility that comes with it," the group said.

Arizona's permissive gun laws gained national attention last year when a man openly carried a semiautomatic rifle to a Phoenix protest outside a speech by President Barack Obama.

Nearly all adults can already carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and supporters of looser laws argue that gun owners shouldn't face additional restrictions just because they want to hide the weapon.

Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states – Illinois and Wisconsin – prohibit them altogether.

Federal law requires anyone buying a gun from a licensed dealer to undergo a background check, but that requirement does not apply to sales by individuals who aren't dealers. Arizona's law won't change that.

Under the Arizona legislation, people carrying a concealed weapon will be required to tell a police officer that if asked, and the officer can temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the person.

More than 154,000 people have permits to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona.

The bill acted on by Brewer was the first attempt to lift the permit requirement to reach an Arizona governor's desk.

Brewer's predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, in 2007 vetoed two related bills. One would have reduced penalties for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. The other would have allowed a person without a permit to carry a gun largely concealed as long as any part of it or its holster was visible.

Brewer in 2008 signed into law a bill allowing a person with a permit to take a gun into a restaurant or bar serving alcohol as long as the establishment doesn't prohibit it and the person isn't drinking alcohol. Napolitano vetoed a similar bill in 2005.

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terramartom
Grapes of Wrath!
08:25 AM on 06/14/2010
Can't wait to visit the Grand Canyon with my consealed surface to air missle launcher.
Should be fun!
07:26 PM on 05/31/2010
You wanna know how bat-crap crazy Arizona's getting. There are yahoos terrorizing family restaurants with their "right to carry" guns...

Right up the street from where I live, 20 of them showed up at our local soup and salad place:
http://azstarnet.com/business/local/article_03967e08-1d5d-59a6-a702-4c9e84669630.html?mode=story

This is just the beginning...there are some seriously warped individuals in this state who think it's Tombstone in the 1880s all over again...scary shit!
01:01 PM on 04/27/2010
I think President Obama's election set off some recessive dna gene within republicans.

As the laws of evolution go, next they will either begin eating each other or their children out of existence.
05:18 AM on 04/27/2010
I'm reading the same 3 of 4 people making the exact same statement, a hundred times. I will just say. I support individual rights. Az screwed up with this illegal immigration law. "Where were you when?" I hate that rhetoric. Do you think people at a 1st amendment rally wear "I'm really pro-2nd amendment, but I'm here to not be a hypocrite" pins on their shirts? Your vile hatred is blinding any rational discussion. I see nothing but insults for anyone supporting the second amendment. The least of which falls along "insane" and its various synonyms . Then you argue "the other side" is only using emotion, fear and well "insanity" to support their argument.

I believe every individual has a right to their own lives, and to protect those lives. This would unequivocally include free speech, privacy, and every bit of the Bill of Rights, and many rights not specifically listed.

Does this make me "insane" or "stupid" or "fearful" in your limited prejudiced lexicon?

Do you find it necessary to insult anyone you don't agree with, so you can feel comfortable applying your worldview to everyone else?

You wish death upon us. You disgust me.
12:56 AM on 04/25/2010
This law will not increase the amout of bad guys who carry concealed weapons. It will however increase the amount of lawbiding citizens who carry them. See cause bad guys don't care. Whether they are allowed to or not, bad guys carry guns if they want to. I carry everywhere, I do not have a CCW, so I carry open. All this law does for people like me is lets me untuck my shirt. This is not going to make me any more concerned for my safety or yours. I assume everyone is a probable bad guy and assume they have a gun. Now whether or not they use it dictates how I respond. Sheeeese, you should feel safe knowing that guys like me who are trainned can now hide our weapon. Now the bad guy has no idea who is armed. Let the bad guy be bad with a gun. No big deal to me. Ill protect you regardless. And look if you dont want my or others protection, just let us know before we shoot the bad guy and we will let him shoot you. I am however confident that you will not do that. You will let me save your A*@ then bitch afterwards or maybe not. I hope for not.
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TS
I prefer to think of my micro-bio as half full
08:23 PM on 04/29/2010
Although I understand what the point is you're making. The reality of it is that there are very, very few circumstances in which an armed citizen has stopped a crime or prevented violence from happening. In fact, the number of people injured by their own guns greatly exceeds any records I've ever seen of those personal weapons actually being used in home defense. The other obvious problem is although you might be trained properly, without any restrictions such as requirements to take a basic gun training and safety course, it seems that you're placing an undetermined number of individuals armed with deadly force out on the street which doesn't seem like a particularly great idea. We often see even professional, well-trained law enforcement personnel get involved in some very dodgy situations relative to the use of force, specifically as it relates to whether or not the 'bad' guy constitutes a physical threat or not. Hell, it's plenty dangerous for even a trained professional to be firing in any sort of crowded urban environment. The thought of an untrained individual doing that is not one I find comforting. Good intentions lone do not guarantee a good outcome.

As for the bad guys not feeling the need to get a permit anyway, that's certainly true, but the fact that it is not legal in many states to carry without a permit does serve in tacking yet another crime to the record of a real perp when they're caught with a weapon.
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Dbos
Single payer universal health insurance agent
06:37 PM on 04/20/2010
Somalia got nothing on Az.Take all Federal facilities out of Arizona.
12:06 AM on 04/19/2010
So lemme see ...

... as long as they are over 21, illegal aliens can carry guns, concealed or openly, throughout Arizona?

Or did the legislature put in language about citizenship and being up to date on your cable bill?
08:35 AM on 04/19/2010
Since they can't legally own a firearm, you figure it out.
08:33 PM on 05/05/2010
So lemme see...

... as long as they are illegal aliens, it is illegal for them to be here and therefore illegal for them to own anything here any way, regardless of if it's a gun or not. And the legislature should make it illegal for you to use your freedom of speech if you have no clue what you're talking about...
03:31 PM on 06/01/2010
your so smart. dude its not illegal for the to own ANYTHING an illegal alien is not allowed to own or purchase a firearm or even have possess a gun looks like you need to figure out what your talking about man
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05:29 PM on 04/18/2010
i think the real reason people want to carry guns is to intimidate other people in everyday life and feel dominance over others.
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:31 PM on 04/18/2010
Which is why so many carry concealed (meaning the firearm cannot be seen), right?
06:35 PM on 04/18/2010
Of course , the primary and only thing I think about when carrying my sidearm is other peoples feelings. I never even consider the need for self defense, after all only Cops and Soldiers with Jedi like skill are trained enough to defend themselves
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Dbos
Single payer universal health insurance agent
09:32 AM on 04/21/2010
Why do you carry a sidearm?
03:00 PM on 04/18/2010
Time to put a stake through the heart of this junk science Kellerman Study the various Pro Victimhood sycophants insist on trotting out.


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CAYQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.firearmsandliberty.com%2Fkellerman-schaffer.html&rct=j&q=Kellerman+Gun+Study+terribly+flawed&ei=8VXLS5mgMYL_8AaNzaX-DQ&usg=AFQjCNGzLJYKMcgjxoEyPYiTCMdY0Pl59g

"The Kellerman, et al (1993) study in the NEJM attempts to use the case-control method (CCM) to show that gun ownership increases homicide in the home. The limitations of the CCM, and serious flaws in the study methodology, result in invalidation of the study's conclusions. "

"The detailed treatment of these flaws, with supporting data, examples and methods is necessarily quite long, but it does illustrate that the Kellerman, et al paper is based on unsupported assumptions and that the conclusions must be viewed with suspicion or rejected as being unsupported."
07:29 PM on 05/31/2010
Oh right. Trot out a pro-gun, right-wing site to "prove your point"!!

Very funny!
04:31 AM on 04/18/2010
This won't affect anything for the worse. Let's put a test to your irrational thought process gun-control worry warts. Clock it from August 2010 to August 2011. Gun violence will stay the same if not drop.
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shastaman
02:12 PM on 04/18/2010
Wrong! It appears that the tensions in this here city on the hill are going to continue to escalate.

I'll bet ya $10 buck there's gonna be more gun play!
09:32 AM on 04/19/2010
I'll bet you $1000 there won't be.
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01:46 AM on 04/18/2010
Oh GREAT!!! Now there are going to be shootouts and gunfights in the streets.....just like in Vermont...oh...nevermind...
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labman57
science educator
11:52 PM on 04/17/2010
Tombstone, AZ lives!
Now all that they need is a modern version of the OK Corral and we can witness the folly in this decision.
11:59 PM on 04/17/2010
Oh thank you great brady bing group member. I was afraid I would have to read 4 or 5 of these snarky comments before I would get to the " the streets will run red with blood" insanity.
07:31 PM on 05/31/2010
The new OK Corral is my local soup and sandwich place where 20 armed idiots showed up armed and f*cked up everyone's lunch to "demonstrate their rights"!

http://azstarnet.com/business/local/article_03967e08-1d5d-59a6-a702-4c9e84669630.html?mode=story
03:55 PM on 06/01/2010
Ok Chetdude i understand how 20 guys with guns on their sides can mess up your lunch at your local soup and sandwhich shop but here is the real problem i have with your comment, you say that the new gun law is the reason but if you knew what you were talking about then you would know thats not true and let me explain for you. Those 20 or so guys that you saw with guns attached to their hip or side were not using that new law. the new law allows you to hide said guns under their shirts/jackets or whatever so if those 20 guys went into your sandwhich shop and had them concealed you would have never known so whats really your issue?
05:57 PM on 04/17/2010
have you ever noticed that when young urban men shoot each other it is most often with stolen guns. Yet the source of the problem of "gun violence" according to the MSM and liberal elites, are law abiding "white men" with legally owned guns from whom the guns were stolen from in the first place? Because you see if "angry" and "paranoid" white men didn't buy guns to defend their families from criminals with, then criminals wouldn't be able to acquire their guns by breaking into these homes and then using those guns to create "an epidemic of gun violence". So WE'RE THE PROBLEM!!!
09:23 AM on 04/18/2010
"...when young urban men shoot each other it is most often with stolen guns..."

Link? Stats? Proof?

Thanks.
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Dbos
Single payer universal health insurance agent
09:26 AM on 04/21/2010
Young urban men? Code for something ? Why not just young men?
12:42 AM on 04/25/2010
(Urban means relating to or concerned with a city or densely populated area, The term is exploited by corporations such as MTV to refer to black music/culture, without mentioning race.) So, young black guys who live in the city. Yes it is code, because "young black men who live in the city" sounds stupid.
04:59 PM on 04/17/2010
Off to the grocery store. I'll check when I get back to see if anyone has come up with the 10 per state incidents of law abiding citizens carrying that accidentally shot folks out of fear or who caused a 'gunfight' - ie a shoot that was deemed unjustifiable by LEO/state. If you're going to predict that will happen in AZ, surely it's happened in the other 48 states that allow citizens to carry in the last couple of decades.

Oh - and while you're at it - where are all those mass shootings in Starbucks you all predicted? And in national parks too?

For those of use who use facts, logic, and our brains and know that an armed citizen is a safer citizen (which even the cops admit), here's another resource for you:

http://www.thearmedcitizen.com/
texliberal
The eyes of Texas are upon you
05:51 PM on 04/17/2010
no we don't
texliberal
The eyes of Texas are upon you
05:52 PM on 04/17/2010
no backgrounds no training/ brilliant
12:41 AM on 04/18/2010
Because its clearly been such a huge problem in Vermont and Alaska , which have had the SAME laws for years
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NoahVail
...a curmudgeon from So. Arizona
04:58 PM on 04/17/2010
A study of 626 shootings in or around a residence in 3 U.S. cities revealed that, for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were 4 unintentional shootings, 7 criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides (Kellermann et al, 1998). Over 50% of all households in the U.S. admit to having firearms (Nelson et al, 1987).

Are you guys trying to get the number of justifiable shootings up, so that the statistics will look better? That's a novel approach. Most people try to reduce the unintentional deaths.
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RevJimIII
Grin and Barret...
05:00 PM on 04/17/2010
Kellermann's research was flawed.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcdgaga.html
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NoahVail
...a curmudgeon from So. Arizona
05:12 PM on 04/17/2010
The number of non-fatal injuries is considerable--over 200,000 per year in the U.S. Many of these injuries require hospitalization and trauma care. A 1994 study revealed the cost per injury requiring admission to a trauma center was over $14,000. The cumulative lifetime cost in 1985 for gunshot wounds was estimated to be $911 million, with $13.4 billion in lost productivity. (Mock et al, 1994) The cost of the improper use of firearms in Canada was estimated at $6.6 billion per year. (Chapdelaine and Maurice, 1996)

As stated by Stephen Stills: "Find the cost of freedom buried in the ground."
07:34 PM on 05/31/2010
Oh great, another right-wing pro-gun site...

Very droll -- ha-ha-ha-ha-ha
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OdinsEye
Korean-Latino cop and retired military combat vet
05:25 PM on 04/17/2010
Kellerman's studies have been pretty throughly descredited by researchers.