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Jeffrey Lena, Lawyer For Pope, Talks About His Role

First Posted: 06/17/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:10 PM ET

Jeffrey Lena Pope Lawyer
Pope Benedict XVI greets the faithful at the end of the Via Crucis (Way of the Cross) torchlight procession celebrated in front of the Colosseum on Good Friday in Rome, Friday, April 2, 2010. The evening Via Crucis procession at the ancient Colosseum amphitheater is a Rome tradition that draws a large crowd of faithful, including many of the pilgrims who flock to the Italian capital for Holy Week ceremonies before Easter Sunday. (AP Photo/Pier Paolo Cito)

VATICAN CITY (Associated Press) — The Vatican has long let cardinals or its official spokesmen do its talking when scandal hits.

But as the Vatican reels from a swirling clerical sex abuse crisis, the Holy See has turned to an unusual advocate: a tennis-loving, Saab-driving solo practitioner from Berkeley, Calif., whose obscure interest in sovereign immunity law and fluency in Italian landed him the job of the pope's U.S. lawyer.

Jeffrey Lena's studied yet creative approach to defending the Vatican in U.S. abuse lawsuits has influenced the Vatican's new public message as he is increasingly called on to act as Rome's unofficial U.S. spokesman and strategist.

In an exclusive interview Saturday with The Associated Press, Lena conceded he never thought he'd be the Vatican's lawyer much less its very public messenger.

"Two weeks ago I was a lawyer minding my own cases. That's not what's happening now," Lena said.

Still, the 51-year-old former history professor avoids the limelight. He declined to be photographed for this profile, citing security and privacy concerns for his wife and son. He says he has received threats because of his advocacy for the Holy See and has moved his three-person law office to an undisclosed location in Berkeley.

The threats stem from the controversial nature of the cases brought against the Vatican in the U.S. over the past 10 years: before the clerical abuse lawsuits targeting the Holy See, Lena defended cases in which the Vatican bank was accused of stashing Nazi loot.

Lena recalls that when looking for co-counsel to represent the Vatican bank, several large firms declined because they didn't want to defend a Holocaust claims suit.

"It deepened in me a sense of the importance of defense work when you could have effectively prominent law firms refuse to serve a client because they thought it was too controversial for their bottom line – that it might affect their image. That annoyed me."

So Lena agreed to go solo – albeit with some help. An initial collaboration with law professor Ugo Mattei broke off. Lena now works with two main allies in a two-room, nondescript office near the University of California, Berkeley, campus with law books, an unused coffee pot and Nilla wafers on the shelves.

Their latest project: defend Pope Benedict XVI against allegations that he personally, and the Vatican generally, turned a blind eye to decades of rapes and molestation of children by priests. The Vatican has vehemently denied such reports, saying the pope has done more than anyone to root out abusers.

"What is most important for people to know is that he does understand, that his heart is moved," Lena said. "He has seen the files, he gets it, and indeed he got it long before most others did."

Though raised in a Catholic family, religious conviction doesn't seem to fuel Lena's defense. He notes that no one at the Vatican ever asked about his faith.

Lena grew up in Berkeley in the 1960s and 70s, the third son of second-generation Italian/Irish immigrants. His father was a public school teacher and his mother was a social worker. They prized books and open discussions as well as roll-up-your sleeves manual labor.

"I did grow up in a family in which intellectual work was admired and physical work was expected," he said, alluding to his lifelong interest in building and renovating houses.

After graduating with honors from the University of California, Santa Cruz, Lena entered Berkeley's history Ph.D. program in 1984. He completed everything but his dissertation before being drawn to the law after helping his father in a messy family estate problem.

He spent a year of law school studying at the University of Milan where he discovered comparative law, how ideas circulate among different legal systems. It would be key to his later work defending the Holy See, with its own juridical system and canon law, in U.S. courts.

Lena was teaching contracts at the University of Turin in 2000 when he was asked to submit his advice on a clamorous lawsuit that had just been filed near his hometown in San Francisco.

Holocaust survivors from Croatia, Ukraine and Yugoslavia had filed suit against the Vatican bank, alleging that it accepted millions of dollars of their valuables stolen by Nazi sympathizers.

Just who asked Lena to take on the case? All roads point to Franzo Grande Stevens, one of Italy's best-known and respected attorneys, dubbed "l'avvocato del'Avvocato" – the attorney of the late Fiat chairman Gianni Agnelli.

Grande Stevens was also the lawyer for the Vatican bank, formally known as the Institute of Religious Works, and the lawyer for the Vatican City state.

Grande Stevens didn't respond to e-mail requests for comment and Lena declined to say if Stevens made the request.

But in a letter to La Stampa newspaper last week, Grande Stevens channeled virtually all of Lena's key defense strategies in the U.S. sex abuse cases to complain about a profile the paper had run on Lena's main U.S. adversary, Jeff Anderson.

The Holocaust claims suit against the Vatican bank was dismissed in December after an appeals court upheld the bank's immunity under the foreign sovereign immunities act, one of at least 12 published federal decisions Lena has won in the area of sovereign immunity.

Given Lena's past, his newfound role as public defender of the pope causes some pause among his friends, who describe him as a reserved history grad student Berkeley with a "playful" intellect who can deconstruct ideas with ease.

"I do think with some people think he's gone to the dark side," said Maura O'Connor, an associate professor of history at the University of Cincinnati who met Lena in 1985. "The emotional reaction is he's defending this. But he's not. ... If the Vatican is needing legal advice, he's giving it."

The Vatican's selection of the unknown and untested Lena ruffled some feathers among the small coterie of U.S. attorneys – most of them Catholics at big law firms – who were representing dioceses in sex abuse lawsuits.

"It was not jealousy. More a feeling 'how could there be somebody out there who had this expertise and we had never heard of him?'" said James Geoly, attorney for the archdiocese of Chicago who is representing a defendant in an Oregon suit naming the Holy See.

"There was definitely a 'getting to know you' period. But very quickly Jeff established himself with all the major diocesan attorneys of the U.S. and they know him and respect him highly," he said.

So do Lena's opponents.

Anderson, who is suing the Holy See in Oregon, said he expected the Vatican would have hired a "white-gloved, blue blood," corporate firm.

"He's not a bigshot in a big firm but he's a formidable lawyer," he said.

Victims' attorney Kelly Clark went up against Lena in a deposition of Cardinal William Levada, the former archbishop of Portland, Oregon, and now a top Vatican official. Levada was asked to testify in a 2006 deposition to attorneys handling dozens of lawsuits against the archdiocese claiming abuse by Oregon priests.

Clark had few complaints about the deposition, but said he was surprised by all the "interference" thrown up by Lena prior to the deposition to limit what could be asked. Since Levada is an official of a foreign sovereign, he enjoys immunity as an official.

In the end, the judge limited Levada's testimony to his time in Portland.

"The problem was that ignored a very real legal theory that we were pushing which was that institutional knowledge of the child abuse problem can't realistically be limited to diocese by diocese knowledge," Clark said. "You have to be able to say what did the institution as a whole know."

Lawyers for victims charge that Rome mandated policies to keep abuse secret.

Lena said the judge was correct because she recognized that dioceses are independent of the Holy See.

"The pope is not a five-star general ordering troops around," Lena said. "Diocesan bishops are not agents or vicars of the pope at all. A bishop's authority comes from his office. It is the bishop who controls his diocese and what happens."

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SpongeBrad
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10:26 AM on 04/21/2010
So when bene dies and goes to be judged does he get to bring a lawyer with him ?
08:44 AM on 04/20/2010
What people keep forgetting is that the Pope used to be a Cardinal, and before that a Bishop, and before that.........a priest. He knows how the system works. And the way the system has always worked is to take troubled priests and ultimately shuffle them around to other parishes. Anyone who has ever been involved in the Church knows this. So, he may not be a five star general, but he absolutely knows, and has always known, what has been going on with pedophile priests. End of story.
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
04:29 AM on 04/20/2010
`Jeffrey Lena, Lawyer For Pope, Talks About His Role'

Lena: I see my role as to become very wealthy.
05:00 PM on 04/19/2010
" Cardinal William Levada, the former archbishop of Portland, Oregon, and now a top Vatican official....was asked to testify in a 2006 deposition to attorneys handling dozens of lawsuits against the archdiocese claiming abuse by Oregon priests.... [Since] Levada is an official of a foreign sovereign, he enjoys immunity as an official. "

So how come we now allow a "foreign sovereign" to be an active participant in Congress regarding the internal affairs of the United States, i.e. the Catholic Bishops insisting on virtually prohibiting abortions in the health care bill?

And why aren't the Bishops, etc. required to register as agents of a foreign nation?

And why is a foreign nation TAX EXEMPT while using tons of our public services paid for by Americans?
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
12:26 AM on 04/20/2010
Your 2 jokes are at the bottom of the page - Enjoy!!
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PlayTOE
Morals evolved due to cooperative group living
01:53 PM on 04/19/2010
The Pope's excuse of the day = My lawyer said it isn't my fault.
05:01 PM on 04/19/2010
Doesn't this just get better and better?
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PlayTOE
Morals evolved due to cooperative group living
05:54 PM on 04/19/2010
The pattern seems to be at least one new excuse every day. None make any sense, but the effort must keep the apologists working overtime.
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scarab23
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09:25 AM on 04/19/2010
what lawyer would jeebuz hire?
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
03:00 PM on 04/19/2010
There's always competition to get the best attorneys.
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gwk123
06:59 AM on 04/19/2010
Not a great photo. Ratzinger looks like a cross between Liberace and count Dracula!
11:20 AM on 04/19/2010
and there is a reason for that
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
03:02 PM on 04/19/2010
@GWK123 and Booboopickle, you made me laugh out loud!! Thanks. I have to admit the outfit really grabs the eye; I have the same reaction looking at homicides.
04:27 PM on 04/19/2010
Exactly! ROFL!!
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
03:25 AM on 04/19/2010
While Lena's arguments fall into the laughable category, even the most loathsome client needs representation.

I can see the attraction of taking hopeless cases for very rich clients.
05:08 PM on 04/19/2010
As a lawyer I'd say the Pope and Vatican are Dream Clients. I pray for clients who are 1) wrong 2) rich and 3) foolish enough fight. If you win, you're a hero. If you loose, no one is surprised. A complete win/win for a lawyer!

Since I live in the Bay Area, I hope Lena soaks them for millions. We could use a cash infusion in this economy.

PS: Hope Lena got a HUGE retainer. After all, his clients have "sovereign immunity", so I guess you can't sue them in the USA if they stiff you on the bill.
12:23 AM on 04/19/2010
What do you mean Satan is not real? This dude is wearing most of it all RED (HELLO!) He is got a little horn coming out of his Yamaka like a unicorn. We can't see his tail as he is facing forward...do you still have a doubt? Mhhhhh......
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ColdSnowMan
Global political pundit wannabe amateur
12:09 AM on 04/19/2010
"The pope is not a five-star general ordering troops around," Lena said. "Diocesan bishops are not agents or vicars of the pope at all. A bishop's authority comes from his office. It is the bishop who controls his diocese and what happens."

Catholics world over will be amazed to know that they had and have a choice of whether to obey The Pope, and that they will not be excommunicated and sentenced to eternal damnation in Hell if they disobey him.

Also, does this mean Catholics can boycott the collection plate without being excommunicated?
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
03:07 PM on 04/19/2010
I thought that was rather funny coming from another lawyer. He totally discounts Vatican control over doctrine, procedures, clerical ordination and defrocking, excommunication, location and work assignments of priests, and the elevation of priests to senior hierarchical levels among other things, as not being an action of 'control' over bishops and Archbishops.

However, in all fairness, any good lawyer making a public statement about his advocacy of a specific client would have said that and waited to see if he was asked about specifics. A lot of really good lawyers avoid media for just that reason, not even commenting on specific cases which are concluded.
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ColdSnowMan
Global political pundit wannabe amateur
12:02 AM on 04/19/2010
It must be remembered the hierarchy of the Catholic Church is not alone in guilt.

A sizable minority of individual Catholic members of the community at large, some parents of victims, and here in Canada including some police chiefs and police detectives, urged silence about paedophile priests and agreed with the policy of re-assigning paedophile priests to new parishes with fresh victims.

To this day, The Pope, some Catholic Clergy, and some lay Catholics obstruct justice by keeping information on paedophile priests secret from various police agencies worldwide.

Those Catholics who claimed there was no problem with paedophile priests and the way the Catholic Church handled them enabled paedophile priests to continue to prey on children even after they were discovered.

To this day, in this world, there are paedophile priests and ex-priests who are not on sex offender registries, who can get jobs and volunteer positions involving direct unsupervised contact with children, because the Catholic Church has not turned over its files to police.

Last week The Pope urged all Catholics who took part in the cover up and obstruction of justice to repent and give penance.

This week would be a good time for Catholics to listen to The Pope and do that.
08:33 AM on 04/19/2010
"Repent and give penance"?

Well that's about right, isn't it?

Until the Pope urges all Catholics who took part in a cover-up and obstruction of justice to report their actions to the police, nothing will have changed.
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
03:10 PM on 04/19/2010
The US courts don't consider the threat of excommunication or the urging of silence by victims and clerics to avoid criminal investigation as having a 'real effect' on the actions of the clerics or victims. That freedom of speech thing is really getting out of hand; these are also employees acting under the direct control of a foreign nation.

Legislators get a lot of money and perks protecting that Right.
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ColdSnowMan
Global political pundit wannabe amateur
11:58 PM on 04/18/2010
Pope Benedict, this atheist thinks forgiveness and renewal is at hand for your church if you implement what you have said you want to do.

You want the Catholic Church to repent and do penance, but your your learned advisers have not told you how this translates in the modern world.

Get out in front of the scandal (confess past sins -- items 1&2 below), issue changes in management policy (change thoughts and actions to prevent re-sinning -- item 3), and pay court-ordered compensation (do penance -- item 4).

(1) Turn over files on paedophile priests world-wide to police.
(2) Release abused children world-wide from their oaths of silence.
(3) Institute a world-wide policy of reporting accusations of paedophilia to police.
(4) Send paedophile priests world-wide back to face criminal charges where appropriate, and pay court ordered restitution for past negligence that allowed children to be abused.

Yes, part (4) necessarily involves The Catholic Church giving up gold as part of its repentance and penitence.

Last week The Pope urged all Catholics who took part in the cover up and obstruction of justice to repent and give penance.

This week would be a good time for Catholics to listen to The Pope and do that.
06:14 PM on 04/19/2010
This is the best plan I've seen yet. Please do pass this on to as many people as possible. Catholics should be clambering for this.
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Kevin Atlanta
Active Citizen 54
11:19 PM on 04/18/2010
Unless this is addressed by the World Court there is no hope of prosecution of the Pope within any nation because of the immunity the absolute control of the Catholic Cults of Jesus have insured.
Poppa Ratzinger will go on his merry way to his great reward after having lied, stolen from the poor and run an international ring of child molesters and abusers...
All those men in dresses....
http://activecitizen54.wordpress.com/
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ColdSnowMan
Global political pundit wannabe amateur
12:06 AM on 04/19/2010
Here is a lawyer explaining ways to bring Pope Benedict to a criminal trail.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2010/apr/02/pope-legal-immunity-international-law

("QC" is the designation given to eminent and prominent lawyers in most countries of the British common wealth. So this guy is a good lawyer.)

I hope, however, that The Pope does this, making a trial unnecessary:
(1) Turn over files on paedophile priests world-wide to police.
(2) Release abused children world-wide from their oaths of silence.
(3) Institute a world-wide policy of reporting accusations of paedophilia to police.
(4) Send paedophile priests world-wide back to face criminal charges where appropriate, and pay court ordered restitution for past negligence that allowed children to be abused.
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ColdSnowMan
Global political pundit wannabe amateur
12:21 AM on 04/19/2010
This is how I understand the situation, The Pope's role in this, and why he can be prosecuted personally.

1. In his earlier job (2002), The Pope personally took part in the crimes at the executive management level, writing orders for how paedophile priests were to be treated.

2. The Pope is both head of government and head of state for the Vatican.

So The Pope's responsibility for the actions of employees of the Catholic Church is at the level of both The Queen and the PM combined, the equivalent of a US president.

3. Neither The Vatican nor the Holy See are recognized as countries by the UN. So The Pope doesn't get immunity.

4. There is no exemption for heads of states from being prosecuted for alleged crimes against humanity.

People can argue on legal jurisdiction in this case, but the cases for both sides are there to be made before a court of law and for a judge to rule who is correct.

And by arguing jurisdiction, Catholic lawyers are trying to get Pope Benedict off on a legal technicality regardless of guilt.

Is that what Jesus or God would want?
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floodberg
Attorney (ret.)
03:37 PM on 04/19/2010
@Kevin Atlanta and ColdSnowMan!! I love it when people really 'get' the importance of the law in a situation!!! Keep going !!!! You're both very close, but missing some important distinctions (I'm numbering according to ColdSnowMan (thanks!!) and discuss WorldCourt at the end.)

2. Holding the president/Queen liable for actions of employees is problematic; both have privileges which prevent discovery. 'Implied liability' has limitations in how far it can go. The Pope, over Cardinals to Archbishops might be doable. (I love 'leaks.')

3. Vatican clearly exercises control over US church personal and Vatican assets; US clerics are paid by archdiocese; the question of whether they are 'employees/agents' of Vatican is questionable, but 'control' is still useful.

4. US jurisdiction over Vatican is abbreviated; BXVI has diplomatic at the present time, which could be revoked. This is being argued a lot on the EU legal websites.
Prosecution by World Court is a whole separate issue, but possible. Those always involve genocide; these victims are alive. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice, www.un.org/icc/crimes.htm, then advance-search for specifics.
10:56 PM on 04/18/2010
Oh, good, so I'm not going crazy yet. I bet Satan does not need a lawyer!
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Madmac
10:34 PM on 04/18/2010
Why would a Pope Lawyer up?
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booboo111
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10:42 PM on 04/18/2010
it would go a long way if he gave the victims one of those pointy party hat thingys he wears.
11:21 AM on 04/19/2010
if that prayer works so well, why call a lawyer?