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Mark Twain Centennial: Rudyard Kipling's Interview With Mark Twain

Mark Twain Centennial

First Posted: 06/21/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:15 PM ET

This article originally appeared as a Library of America Story of the Week feature.

An Interview with Mark Twain
Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936)

From "The Mark Twain Anthology: Great Writers on His Life and Works"

In 1889, having published six short-story collections in a one-year period, the 23-year-old Rudyard Kipling left India for a tour of America and Europe. His travels brought him to New York and Connecticut, where he hoped to locate and "shake hands with" Mark Twain, the "man I had learned to love and admire fourteen thousand miles away." His recollection of that encounter was published in newspapers from Allahabad to New York. "An Interview with Mark Twain" is more than a transcription of his conversation with the author of Tom Sawyer; Kipling also recounts the humorous story of how he hunted down his idol, his awe at actually meeting him, and Twain's genteel demeanor to a stranger arriving unannounced at the door.

When Rudyard Kipling traveled to England the following year and soon became a literary celebrity, Mark Twain did not immediately connect the young visitor with the rising star of English letters--but Twain's daughter Susy, enamored with the idea that anyone could hail from such an exotic locale, had kept Kipling's calling card with its address in India. Twain then read Plain Tales from the Hills and wrote to a friend, "whereas Kipling's stories are plenty good enough on a first reading they very greatly improve on a second." Mark Twain later recalled his initial encounter with Kipling: "I believed that he knew more than any person I had met before, and I knew that he knew that I knew less than any person he had met before--though he did not say it, and I was not expecting that he would. . . . He was a stranger to me and to all the world, and remained so for twelve months, then he became suddenly known, and universally known."

(Note: The "Robert" to which Mark Twain refers during his conversation with Kipling is Robert Elsmere, an 1888 novel by Mrs. Humphrey Ward.)

You are a contemptible lot, over yonder. Some of you are Commissioners, and some Lieutenant-Governors, and some have the V. C., and a few are privileged to walk about the Mall arm in arm with the Viceroy; but I have seen Mark Twain this golden morning, have shaken his hand, and smoked a cigar--no, two cigars--with him, and talked with him for more than two hours! Understand clearly that I do not despise you; indeed, I don't. I am only very sorry for you, from the Viceroy downward. To soothe your envy and to prove that I still regard you as my equals, I will tell you all about it.

They said in Buffalo that he was in Hartford, Conn.; and again they said "perchance he is gone upon a journey to Portland"; and a big, fat drummer vowed that he knew the great man intimately, and that Mark was spending the summer in Europe--which information so upset me that I embarked upon the wrong train, and was incontinently turned out by the conductor three-quarters of a mile from the station, amid the wilderness of railway tracks. Have you ever, encumbered with great-coat and valise, tried to dodge diversely-minded locomotives when the sun was shining in your eyes? But I forgot that you have not seen Mark Twain, you people of no account! . . . Read the full story below.

Rudyard Kipling's Mark Twain Interview

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This article originally appeared as a Library of America Story of the Week feature. An Interview with Mark Twain Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) From "The Mark Twain Anthology: Great Writers on His Life...
This article originally appeared as a Library of America Story of the Week feature. An Interview with Mark Twain Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) From "The Mark Twain Anthology: Great Writers on His Life...
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10:50 PM on 04/24/2010
Kim is my favorite novel - I can't believe I was 30 before I read it. If only we'd encourage students today to read Kipling, Twain, etc. instead of genre based literature, abridged versions, or "modern classics" whatever that means.

I loved this interview and article.
09:44 AM on 04/22/2010
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05:11 AM on 04/22/2010
I just had the pleasure to visit both the spot where Kipling was born (in Mumbai, strangely unmarked due to controversy in India about how to do this), and the amazing Sukh Mahal in the Rajasthani desert, in the extraordinary town of Bundi where he lived and wrote a lot of "Kim". His legacy is not straightforward in this country but there is no doubt that he is truly part of modern India and vice-versa.
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12:25 AM on 04/22/2010
I loved it.I almost felt like i was in the room with Sam Clemens/Mark Twain.
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Todays Illusion
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10:28 PM on 04/21/2010
I enjoyed this writing very much. For years and years I wouldn't read Kipling because of the racism.
I finally realized I was old enough to enjoy the writing and not be disturbed by the racism, and did just that.

I have always loved Mark Twain/Samuel Clemns.

I enjoyed the comments as much as I enjoyed the Interview.

Very interesting to think of the two of them, quite different, but able to
enjoy each others company and to discuss shared issues and experiences.
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10:09 PM on 04/21/2010
Twain will forever be my favorite American author, satirist and anti-imperialist. Imagine the things Kipling DID NOT tell of his conversation with Twain. Kipling, a young agent of a waning empire the US had beaten just over a century ago and Twain, having lived through the Civil War and observant critic of the nascent American Imperialism and the coming war with Spain in Cuban and then the atrocious adventures in the Phillipines against the forces of Independence.

The Anti-Imperialist League was formed November 1889 as I remember it. Twain became it's vice president in 1900. I was taught Mart Twain in elementary school. What happened since the 1960s???
10:04 PM on 04/21/2010
Amazing these two couldn't be more different. Kipling while a gifted writer (If, The Jungle Book), was also a bigoted Imperialist (Kim, The Jungle Book again). Twain on the other hand was basically the Father of Modern American Literature and an outspoken anti-racist and anti-imperialist (Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Puddn'head Wilson). I think it is a testament to the power of Mark Twain's writing that made him the author of his day and gave him such a diverse following of people who would otherwise never had listen to him.
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05:07 AM on 04/22/2010
Perhaps you've been misinformed about Kim... it is certainly not as straightforward as you let on.
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09:18 PM on 04/21/2010
I come from a long lline of book lovers. My greatgrandfather was such a huge fan of KIpling that he gifted my poor grandmother with Rudyard as a middle name. My father read Tom Sawyer and HuckleBerry finn to my sister and I when it was still WAYover our heads. I went on to teach literature .Writers like Twain and Kipling,, Dickens, Austin live forever and their influence will always be with us. One of the things I miss most about teaching .and I miss a great deal ,is sharing their classic works with young minds ,
08:58 PM on 04/21/2010
Kipling was a dirty racist.
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10:32 PM on 04/21/2010
As were the scholars who wrote the history books we all studied from when we were young, we, unless you are a several decades younger than I. If you were that young you wouldn't be here reading and commenting.
Knowing that is why I finally decided it was ok for me to read Kipling.
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08:30 PM on 04/22/2010
True, about the older history books. (Also damaging was the colonial perspective to, and therefore, [mis] interpretations of thousands of years old civilizations.). Had a hard time reading Kipling as well, but appreciate his writings now--"If" remains among my favorite poems. Interesting to read many others felt the same way.
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05:08 AM on 04/22/2010
Despite his shortcomings, he celebrated, adored, and popularized Indian culture in many profound ways.
08:06 PM on 04/21/2010
Thanks for this wonderful interview. By the way, Kipling's son did die in combat. The confusion may come from his having first been reported as missing in action. Why is this important? Because he had encouraged his underaged son to go into the service, to get in on the action. He was of course forever broken by this loss, and never really recovered from it--yet maintained his jingoistic, imperialistic attitude to the end. The anomaly is that he had produced possibly the finest, most knowing fiction about the natives of India every written.
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07:43 PM on 04/21/2010
This was a great read - thanks for posting it, HP.
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05:39 PM on 04/21/2010
kipling and Twain were both reporters at one time or another too. Kipling worked on the Civil and Military Gazette when very young in India and Twain reported on his travels iijn the west for newspapers. For all of Twain's respect for not getting involved in the affairs of other countries, he was a racist in the sense that he hated Native Americans and that's the truth, and his disdain for them may have come from whatever experiences he had during his time in the west. Kipling too had his racist tendencies too in his solid belief in Britian's right to rule other people of various races in various lands. It was a very twisted time for imperialist adventures with the belief for example that opium was close to godliness and therefore the right thing to spread among native populations throughout China for example so as to molify the Chinese into accepting their betters and learning from them and therefore bringing them into the christian fold.
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nybirdcalls
06:55 PM on 04/21/2010
Interesting info. Your comment reminded me of "Twain's Indians" a long time ago, Will revisit. As also this interview, I remember being fascinated by it when I came across it.
05:32 PM on 04/21/2010
Darn, I feel like telling Kipling how much I've enjoyed his story.
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Steamboater
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05:19 PM on 04/21/2010
What a delightful interview."Get the fact and then distort them anyway you please' is vintage Twain humor. The days of course when you could just run upto a known wroter's door or anyone'
s door for that matter and knock and expect entrance are over. hat simpler time that was though and a safer one too, aside from society's ills that were worse.
05:07 PM on 04/21/2010
Two of my all-time favorite authors...I still have to read all of Twain's works(24 volumes++) but it's a lifetime goal for me. Kipling also. Some day I'll be reading their stuff to my kids, forget TV etc. Not all of it, both authors have some rather dark stories that need an adult's mind to be truly understood. It's been a century now and their works live and prosper just fine... timeless indeed.
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05:20 PM on 04/21/2010
I just spent bookoo bucks on a 5 volume set of Kipling's short stories published by the Folio Society. I've read some of his works before but this one's a real treat.
06:41 PM on 04/21/2010
Try hunting on eBay for older hardcover editions, if they're in a good shape you'll probably like them quite a bit!..