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AMY TEIBEL   04/26/10 06:40 PM ET   AP

JERUSALEM — Israel's prime minister has effectively frozen new Jewish construction in east Jerusalem, municipal officials said Monday, reflecting the need to mend a serious rift with the U.S. and get Mideast peace talks back on track.

The move comes despite Benjamin Netanyahu's repeated assertion he would never halt construction in east Jerusalem and risks angering hard-liners in his government. One lawmaker from Netanyahu's Likud Party warned the governing coalition could collapse over the issue.

Still, the de facto freeze appeared to offer the promise of reviving peace efforts derailed after Israel announced plans for a major Jewish housing development during a visit by Vice President Joe Biden last month.

That set off the worst diplomatic dispute between the U.S. and Israel in decades – and prompted the Palestinians to call off a new round of U.S.-brokered peace talks.

The quiet halting of east Jerusalem housing approvals coincides with signs that those talks are now about to start – and could help explain recent U.S. statements stressing America's close ties to Israel.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas signaled Monday he was ready to start indirect talks with Israel after weeks of hesitation. Washington has stepped up efforts in recent days to coax Abbas to agree to the talks, with President Barack Obama's envoy as go-between.

Speaking to Israel's Channel 2 TV, Abbas said he would present the U.S. proposal to the Arab League this week and the Palestinians "hope that the reply will be positive."

Obama, meanwhile, offered assurances of Washington's unshakable commitment to Israel's security and determination to achieve a comprehensive Middle East peace. He made the remarks during an impromptu meeting with Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak at the White House, Obama spokesman Robert Gibb said.

Word of a de facto freeze on east Jerusalem construction came from municipal officials and a construction executive, who told The Associated Press that the committee that approves such projects had not met since March 9 – the day Israel announced its contentious plan to build 1,600 new housing units in east Jerusalem.

It was not clear if the halt to approvals constituted a genuine moratorium or how long it would last, and Israeli government officials would not confirm any kind of freeze.

However, two city councilmen and an engineer who oversees a major east Jerusalem construction project confirmed the procedures for approving new housing have been put on hold since the Biden incident.

"The government ordered the Interior Ministry immediately after the Biden incident to not even talk about new construction for Jewish homes in east Jerusalem," said Meir Margalit, a city councilman who said the information came from top Jerusalem officials intimately involved with construction projects.

"It's not just that building has stopped: The committees that deal with this are not even meeting anymore," said Margalit, of the dovish Meretz Party.

Another city councilman, Meir Turujamen, who sits on the Interior Ministry committee that gives final approval to building plans, said his panel has not met since the Biden visit. It used to meet weekly, he said.

"I wrote a letter about three weeks or a month ago asking (Interior Minister Eli) Yishai why the committee isn't convening," he said. "To this day I haven't received an answer."

Interior Ministry spokeswoman Efrat Orbach insisted any delays were nothing more than a bureaucratic matter.

The prime minister's spokesman, Mark Regev, said only that "following the Biden visit and the mishap, the prime minister asked that a mechanism be put in place to prevent a recurrence of this kind of debacle." He would not elaborate.

In Washington, State Department spokesman P.J. Crowley wouldn't discuss what Israel was telling the United States about Jewish construction.

"We have asked both sides to take steps to rebuild trust and to create momentum so that we can see advances" in peace talks, Crowley told reporters. "We're not going to go into details about what we've asked them to do, but obviously this is an important issue in the atmosphere to see the advancement of peace."

Netanyahu repeatedly has insisted that Israel has a right to build anywhere in the city's eastern sector, which Palestinians hope to make their future capital, and acknowledging any slowdown would have huge political risks. Netanyahu's coalition is dominated by hard-liners who oppose any division of Jerusalem.

Netanyahu met with members of his Likud Party on Monday and denied any freeze was in place, said Danny Danon, a lawmaker who attended the session.

"If we see there is a freeze, we will not sit quietly and the prime minister knows that," Danon said. "This coalition will not allow the prime minister to freeze building in Jerusalem."

Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat said he has not heard anything official about an Israeli construction freeze in east Jerusalem. "What counts for us is what we'll be seeing on the ground," he said.

Still, any de facto freeze could make it easier for the Palestinians to participate in U.S.-mediated peace talks. The Palestinians have refused to hold direct negotiations with Netanyahu unless he halts all settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem.

Attempts to advance construction haven't stopped altogether: A lower-level municipal committee gave preliminary approval last week to a synagogue and kindergarten in a Jewish neighborhood in east Jerusalem, Turujamen said. The decision still needs Interior Ministry approval.

The freeze does not affect construction that is already under way, or hundreds of apartments where approval has already been granted. However, an engineer who oversees residential construction in a Jewish neighborhood in east Jerusalem said proposals to build hundreds of apartments have been held up in recent weeks. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he did not want to jeopardize his business ties with the city.

Israel captured east Jerusalem, the site of sacred shrines holy to Jews, Muslims and Christians, in the 1967 Middle East war and immediately annexed it. Some 180,000 Israelis now live in Jewish neighborhoods built there in the past four decades, and about 2,000 more live in the heart of traditionally Arab neighborhoods.

The Palestinians, the U.S. and the rest of the international community do not recognize the annexation and regard the neighborhoods as no different from the settlements Israel built in the West Bank.

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Associated Press writers Ian Deitch, Diaa Hadid and Aron Heller in Jerusalem and Foster Klug in Washington contributed to this report.

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Vlady
Better Late
07:45 PM on 04/30/2010
Jerusalem is not a settlement. To relinquish any part of it would be catastrophic for ME. Divided Jerusalem will be ME Ulster with all ME characteristics.
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FairuzGhowar
11:57 AM on 05/01/2010
If it cant be divided then Israel must agree to one state
03:00 PM on 05/01/2010
Or separate Vatican like state around Jerusalem.

As long as the arrangement is fair and religious pilgrimage for Christians, Jews and Muslims are not restricted and current landowners be able to develop to meet the new demand for religious tourism accommodations.
03:19 AM on 04/28/2010
Well, that certainly lasted a long time (NOT).

Barkat: U.S. 'slap in the face' won't stop Jerusalem building
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1165971.html
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
09:31 AM on 04/27/2010
My previous post got quite a few comments. Since there are similarities among them, rather than responding to each, I tried to group them by theme and reply here.

Some commentators simply do not trust Israel's government, hence they discount the whole thing. I am hardly a Netanyahu supporter; but I also remember that previous Israeli governments (including left-wing governments) were also not very "popular" among Palestinian supporters. Maybe Israelis should elect say President Assad of Syria as their Prime Minister. Would that make that government more trustworthy in your eyes?

Other commentators contest the fact that this is an Israeli concession at all. They believe that Israel owed it to the Palestinians, so "giving" it is not a concession, it's paying a debt. To these commentators I would remind that solving a conflict is about recognizing that there are two points of view: what you believe and what "the other" believes. Simply shouting "you guys are WRONG" never solved anything.

Another commentator simply told me that I am a knows-nothing, complete ignorant and unfamiliar with the history of the region. Wrapped in the anonymity that this site allows, I won't answer that, just smile.

However, there was one pro-Palestinian commentator (Talab) who actually made a positive contribution. I hope s/he means it. If there is one righteous soul in Sodom…
11:58 PM on 04/27/2010
Why should Palestinians trust your leaders? Whether its likud or labor they are mirror images of each other.

LOL@ an Israeli talking about riotous souls, that was a good one.
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
06:51 AM on 04/28/2010
YOUR leaders?? OK, so let me understand: what you're saying is that Israelis are all the same (i.e. untrustworthy) and that if one supports Israel one has to be Israeli. Interesting! I think your "contribution" says more about you than it does about me.

Incidentally, you wrote "riotous" instead of "righteous". Freudian slip?
03:20 AM on 04/28/2010
Barkat: U.S. 'slap in the face' won't stop Jerusalem building
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1165971.html
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NTT
Fighting rants with facts
06:53 AM on 04/28/2010
Sure, alysheba, but Barkat is Israeli and Haaretz is an Israeli newspaper. You don't trust Israelis, do you?
12:43 AM on 04/27/2010
If this is true finally Netanyahu gets on his knees and stops biting the hand that feeds him and his welfare state.
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Zanubiyah
12:01 AM on 04/27/2010
Silent persuasion...what a wonderful thing.

No scapegoats, no rhetoric, no grandstanding, nothing for Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Hagee, Robertson and the like to make money on, or sell gold on

Wonderful.


It seems that PM Netenyahu is noticing that he is caught between the anvil and the hammer. Move one way, he offends what amounts to the Israeli teabaggers. Move the other way, and he loses world support. Nice to know that he understands who butters his bread.
11:43 PM on 04/26/2010
If this is true, it's fantastic news.

Now, let's recognize Palestine on 67 borders.
01:00 AM on 04/27/2010
no, 1947 borders
02:29 AM on 04/27/2010
You have a moral point, jake42 - I agree with that Israel should be confined to the UN Partition borders, but that is unlikely to happen, Israel at 78% is a fait accompli. That in itself should be recognised as a major concession by the Palestinians.

Have you seen the 1958 Mike Walace / Abba Eban interview?

http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/eban_abba.html

Even then Israel was being condemned for acquiring territory by war - as much as the fanclub like to say Israel accepted the UN Partition Plan clearly they didn't, and it was known and acknowledged at the time.

The Palestinians need to draw a line in the sand and not budge on the 1967 borders at all. Israel must NOT be rewarded for illegally installing 500,000 settlers in occupied land. It makes a mockery of international law - and if Obama is serious about restoring the US position on the world stage he'd be wise to get behind the UN as much as possible.
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baba2nde
in search of the meaning of being
05:34 PM on 04/26/2010
The peacenik in me is singing "Halellujah!"

Peace lovers across the globe should now encourage the 76 Senators - including 37 Democrats, -:(, who last week signed a letter criticizing Obama's handling of Israel, and the 403 Representatives - including 232 Democrats -:(, who voted in favor of an AIPAC-friendly "Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act" to strongly support the president's steady hand.

Jewish thought is not monolithic. Does anyone around here know J Street?
05:08 PM on 04/26/2010
Don't believe a word of it. This is Natanyahu/Lieberman trying to gain a few months free of US pressure, until Obama gets another bill in Congress that he needs badly, at which time the Zionists and bought-and-paid-for Congress persons will suddenly become un-co-operative until Obama agrees to drop any demands of Israel. We've all seen this before.

Obama should convince Abbas, when he meets him next week, to declare an independent Palestinian state based on the 1967 borders, including Gaza, (which is a give-away to Israelis in a ny case) which the US should immediately recognise and guarantee the borders of, and then demand an immediate Israeli withdrawal from the occupied areas of Palestine.

Let's see Netanyahu and his band of propagandists maneuvre past that!
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Amryxx
politeness rules, but with sharpened edges
05:10 PM on 04/26/2010
And how will the US guarantee the safety of Israel from Hamas or any other militant rocket attacks? It's all well and good to give the Palestinians what they want, but the Israelis have legitimate grievances too.
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
05:58 PM on 04/26/2010
First,

Because this step strengthens Abbas and the PA, it will weaken Hamas. Hamas has basically been saying that negotiations is a dead end, and will lead nowhere.

But if the Palestinians see tangible results, that would tend to undermine Hamas' argument.

But, and it may be very premature to do this at this time, I would at least TRY to get Hamas to the table. I would offer the same basic deal that the IRA / Sinn Fein accepted; in return for disarming, they would be allowed to participate in the political process.

Not coincidentally, I think, the same man (Former Sen. Mitchell) who negotiated that deal is now working on this.
09:23 PM on 04/26/2010
Tiny, helpless, Israel is a rogue nuclear power. We need to get some inspectors into Dimona, to check out her stockpile, and make the information available to the UN. Well, actually, to the WORLD.. She is the ONLY nuclear power that hasn't signed a non-proliferation treaty, if memory serves.

Stop the land theft, and publicize it heavily, AND get the settlers off Palestinians property. Put the assaultive settlers in the slammer, and the crazy ones on meds. Publicize THAT in every metro in the free world.

THEN see how quiet the Palestinians become.

There won't be any peace while land thieving and violent assault on unarmed shepherd s nare dail y events.
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JustMeInNY
Live and Learn.
05:25 PM on 04/26/2010
Thank you for making me laugh!
04:40 PM on 04/26/2010
Yes, Israelis are now building no where in Israel. WTF has the PA done? Not even ponied up a phone call or anything.
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JustMeInNY
Live and Learn.
05:06 PM on 04/26/2010
Abbas is waiting for a private jet to take him to his white house dinner.
06:20 PM on 04/26/2010
Yup ;)
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
05:06 PM on 04/26/2010
Who said anything about not building in Israel. There is nothing to prevent construction from going forward in Israel proper and in West Jerusalem.
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SpaghettyIrish
ThereWereThoseWhoKnewOnlyTheSoundOfTheirOwnVoices.
03:49 PM on 04/26/2010
If this freeze is real, sincere, and maintained, then this is true progress. Falure of any of those conditions just makes this propaganda.
04:39 PM on 04/26/2010
Insisting on preconditions before talks is failure.
04:47 PM on 04/26/2010
Then it's a good thing it looks like Netanyahu is dropping his.
04:53 PM on 04/26/2010
And war is peace and freedom is slavery and...
05:07 PM on 04/26/2010
That's not the way things work in international diplomacy.

What is important is to find a deal that can satisfy both parties: if there is no real building, the Palestinians can say that the basic conditions for negociations are fulfilled, and if Israel claims that it is only for administrative reasons that for the moment there is no building, the Israeli government can say that there is no official freeze at all. That's precisely what is needed to make things moving again.

It's not about sincerity versus propaganda, it's about creating a situation that can be explained differently by both parties and that makes it possible to resume talks.
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
05:15 PM on 04/26/2010
Excellent point Beatriz.

I have been trying to say the same thing, but I cannot match the eloquence with which you have stated the heart of the matter.
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SpaghettyIrish
ThereWereThoseWhoKnewOnlyTheSoundOfTheirOwnVoices.
05:21 PM on 04/26/2010
OF course, there's some CYA going on, but if Israel wants peace with the Pals (and the rest of the Muslim and Arab worlds) it needs to stick to the freeze even if negotiations aren't going well.
03:43 PM on 04/26/2010
They said this a few months ago, then carried on stealing regardless.

I'll believe it when I see it.
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03:30 PM on 04/26/2010
I am cautiously optimistic.

Yes we have the usual f 0015 erecting their strawmen about how what a terrible crime has been imposed on the Israelis and how Palestinians would like the Israelis to be sent to Antarctica blah blah blah.

But to the few rational minds left, if a gesture such as TEMPORARILY halting construction in order to allow negotiations is needed, why not take it? This is the primary foreign policy issue Israel needs to address, so why not TEMPORARILY halt construction in order to allow for negotiations?

If you look at the reactionary responses by the rightwingers, you would think Bibi just ceded all of East Jerusalem. Really you fools,..get a grip.

Now I placed "TEMPORARILY" in quotes because Israel is in complete control of the area and if they should decide to continue construction next week, they could. I am not condoning this, I am merely stating reality and submitting this is not as a major concession as their crying suggests.

NOW what really is important is what will be on the table come negotiation time,..that is the real object of concern. Will the Palestinians get to claim (any part of) East Jerusalem as their capital? 1967 borders? Right of return? These are the important questions that need to be answered.

Until then, rightwingers, stick a pacifier in your mouths and stop crying.
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
06:07 PM on 04/26/2010
That should say: "Your" point
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Marcus047
inter arma enim silent leges
06:54 PM on 04/26/2010
Ok, I'm gonna try this again, since my first comment wasn't approved.

You have totally misrepresented what I said. I never said that the Palestinians wanted Israelis to be sent to Antartica. I made no comments about the Palestinians at all. My comment had nothing to do with Palestinians, it had to do with people like you, who - though liberals, socialists, and progressives, like myself - have convinced themselves that the underdog is always the good guy and the victim. This is often not true. It wasn't true when NATO finally confronted Milosevic and Serbia, and it's not true here.

People who are never satisfied with anything that Israel does. People for who Israel can do no right, but who are quick to ignore and apologize for anything the Palestinians or their allies do.

It's sad that you had to misrepresent my comments to make your point. Or did you not even read my comment?
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08:53 PM on 04/26/2010
Part I

When it comes to this issue, I have seen individuals use your example to be taken literally as well as figuratively.

Ok, so you are telling me you were being facetious and that the entire point of that statement was I guess to figuratively show your point about "People who are never satisfied with anything that Israel does" (your own words). That is fine and if you felt that in that aspect, your position was misrepresented then I would agree, yes it was and I apologize.

BUT, your argument that

"it had to do with people like you, who - though liberals, socialists, and progressives, like myself - have convinced themselves that the underdog is always the good guy and the victim."

Is a rather convenient tool you use to dismiss those who would disagree with you. Oh yes, we root for the Pals because just like my Knicks they suck and always 'lose'. Now I'm being facetious. That sounds overly simplistic coming from someone who sounds like they should know better.
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08:55 PM on 04/26/2010
Part 2

Could it be some are all too familiar with the body counts from the start of the second intifada? Of the massacre mislabeled "The Gaza War"? Of the forced evictions of Palestinian families of East Jerusalem? Of the 10,000+ Palestinians held in prisons and detention centers?

Don't be ridiculous.

Sure there are those who are always going to criticize Israel no matter what,...just like there are those who will always criticize the Palestinians no matter what (I think we can all agree that we see this pretty often in the American media and editorials) that can't be helped.

BUT you do yourself a greater disservice if you fail to acknowledge that there are those who understand the Palestinians have legitimate grievances and in an attempt to dismiss them, label them as naive and blindly anti-Israeli.
03:29 PM on 04/26/2010
So it looks like they ticked off everybody for nothing.
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TheLonelyGod
The oncoming storm
04:48 PM on 04/26/2010
Netanyahu had to look like a tough guy, not to Americans or to Palestinians, but to his own hardline supporters. All politics is local, as they say. I'm just glad that he didn't take it too far.
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
05:05 PM on 04/26/2010
Well, LG, on this we can agree. I don't think Obama will mind being "the bad guy" if he can get positive results.

I think this shows a lot more has been going on behind the scenes than we know. It looks as though Obama is persistent, but is also giving Netanyahu a way to make the freeze, not look like a freeze -- to allow him to save face.

This, by the way, will not only give Abbas more standing with HIS people, it also undermines Hamas.
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Amryxx
politeness rules, but with sharpened edges
03:19 PM on 04/26/2010
I do hope that these are the little steps towards peace, but I'm far too old and cynical to have such naive aspirations.
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Rianna
03:15 PM on 04/26/2010
This is encouraging and a good faith move by Israel. Now, I only hope they can stick to their decision no matter what. If only the Israeli government listened to their people, who want peace and do not want the settlements in East Jerusalem being built, things would go a bit more smoothly. I hope the President will hold his ground and be firm with Israel. The Palestinians and the Arab world have to feel more secure and trust the US (if that is possible), to be willing to come to the table. Unfortunately, the US has alway been seen as a supporter of Israel, and will find it tough to seem neutral. I hope these talks end up in success.
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JustMeInNY
Live and Learn.
05:01 PM on 04/26/2010
So the Arabs don't get to do anything, America gets to force Israel to do whatever, but the Arabs get to smoke their nargilla and watch from afar, yes?
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Amryxx
politeness rules, but with sharpened edges
05:08 PM on 04/26/2010
Who are these Arabs that you're blabbing on about? The Palestinians? What *can* they do? The Egyptians? What do they have to do with anything?
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
05:13 PM on 04/26/2010
JustMe,

I have the feeling that there has been more going on behind the scenes than we realize. This was a tactical move to get Israel to agree to the freeze in a way that won't cause Netanyahu's government to fall. It also gives the PA leadership something tangible that they can present to their people and argue that negotiations work.

It also undermines Hamas, (never a bad thing), while strengthening the moderates of the PA. Of course these benefits will only last if this is followed up with negotiations.

As I have said, I think the big concession the Palestinians will make will be the surrender of the Right of Return.

Now I know many Israelis don't view this as a concession at all, but from the Palestinian point of view it would be a HUGE concession. It will be painful for those refugees, and I hope they will at least be given a chance to resettle in a Palestinian state.

In the end, it looks like the compromise will be the settlements for the Right of Return.
10:53 PM on 04/26/2010
The israeli people do not consider building in east jerusalem to be settlements and neither would any objective observer.
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jwcmass
I dream of things that never were and ask Why not
12:06 AM on 04/27/2010
Israelis, maybe not. But they are hardly objective on the matter (and neither are the Palestinians)

But objective people -- don't see things that way. Not even the US, Israel's greatest friend, recognizes the annexation of East Jerusalem, and thus views any Jewish settlements built there as illegal. The US ALSO doesn't recognize the annexation of West Bank land to add to the city's boundary.