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Lies Hebbadj, Muslim Man, Says Mistresses Are The French Way Of Life

Lies Hebbadj

ELAINE GANLEY   04/26/10 05:23 PM ET   AP

PARIS — A Muslim Frenchman at the center of a firestorm over polygamy said Monday that keeping mistresses is the French way of life.

The man's case came to light after his wife was fined for driving with a veil covering her face, and his comments are an ironic riposte to those in French President Nicolas Sarkozy's government who want to push immigrants to better integrate into French society.

The 31-year-old Frenchwoman drew nationwide attention last week to a driving fine she received for apparel that hinders her vision. But it soon emerged that her husband may have four wives – although it was doubtful the marriages were made official under French law.

The situation appeared to be a boon to Sarkozy, who is trying to rush through controversial legislation forbidding burqa-style Islamic veils that cover the face, on the grounds that they don't respect French values or women's dignity. But it has stoked debate and may backfire on legal grounds.

The president of the French parliament's lower chamber, Bernard Accoyer, said Monday the text of the bill to ban full Muslim veils would be presented at a Cabinet meeting May 19.

Many Muslims fear a law banning face-covering veils because they say targeting the tiny minority of women who cover their faces stigmatizes France's entire Muslim community – at an estimated 5 million people, the largest in western Europe. The head of the main Muslim grouping, Mohamed Moussaoui, reiterated that message Monday after a meeting with Prime Minister Francois Fillon. He noted that shots fired over the weekend at a mosque in southern France failed to garner the attention given to the veil affair.

Those who want a full ban on such veils contend the garment conceals more than the face, notably helping to perpetuate practices like polygamy, approved in some Muslim countries, and is a signpost of a radical interpretation of Islam.

Interior Minister Brice Hortefeux wants to revoke the French citizenship of the driver's husband if he is found to be practicing polygamy. The man is also suspected of profiting from state subsidies for single women provided to each of the wives.

Authorities are looking into whether the Algerian-born Lies Hebbadj was married to four women in French civil ceremonies, which would be highly unlikely. Were he married in religious ceremonies by imams in Algeria or in France, these unions would not count as marriages under French law, said Rabah Hached, a Paris lawyer who specializes in immigration issues. In that case, each of the officially unmarried women could potentially receive state aid for her children.

For the attorney, the law may be on the side of the allegedly polygamous man.

"It's not forbidden to have a mistress," Hached said by telephone. While stressing he does not know details of the case, Hached said that "I strongly suspect this gentleman we're talking about is within his rights."

Hebbadj, defended his lifestyle Monday by turning the notion of polygamy on its head.

"If we are stripped of nationality, for having mistresses," Lies Hebbadj told reporters in Nantes, then "there would be a lot of French people stripped of nationality. As far as I know, mistresses are not forbidden, neither in France, nor in Islam."

He did not specify whether he lives under the same roof with the various women in his life, although press reports have quoted neighbors as saying he moves between several houses. Hebbadj, whose robed image has been flashed around France by TV, runs a recently opened halal butcher shop.

The revelation last week that a police officer cited the woman, whose name has not been revealed, for driving while wearing a niqab, which reveals only the eyes, provided a taste of what is in store.

A French bill that would outlaw the veils in all public places will be introduced in May, despite a ruling by France's highest administrative body that it risks being found unconstitutional.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon met Monday with Muslim leaders and the justice minister Monday to lay the groundwork for an eventual law.

Belgium also plans a full ban on Islamic garments that cover the face and was expected to be the first EU country to institute one, until the collapse last week of the Belgian government. That legislation is on hold.

Sarkozy, who has striven to revive what he says is a loss of basic French values, is sinking in polls and his conservative party was trounced in March regional elections. Some Socialist rivals suggested the arrest of the veiled driver with a suspect husband was a setup.

A Socialist Party spokesman accused Sarkozy of playing to the anti-immigration far-right.

"The government decided ... to continue its strategy of stigmatizing" Muslims and has become "the best ally of Islamic extremists in France," Benoit Hamon said Monday. "A banal police citation has been transformed into an affair of state."

France's Muslim leaders have consistently said the veil debate is stigmatizing Muslims.

The question of banning face-covering veils was first broached last June when Sarkozy told parliament that such garments are "not welcome" in France, a message he repeated last month.

The issue blossomed into a major debate, recalling the enmity dividing politicians and citizens before France outlawed Muslim headscarves and other "ostentatious" religious symbols from classrooms in 2004.

The Interior Ministry estimates no more than 1,900 Muslim women wear attire that hides the face.

There are no official numbers on the number of polygamous families in France, most of which are from sub-Saharan Africa, but they are estimated in the tens of thousands.

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03:43 PM on 04/28/2010
There are a lot of interesting points made in this thread. If stops for a moment and refuses the knee jerk reaction to call people "Islamophobes" they will see a perspective that is not generally presented in the MSM.

That being said, this is not about hating Muslims or wanting to marginalize them, this is about looking at the root of the behavior and what people are being taught via the Koran, Hadith and Seerah. These sources are the crux of the issue and must be looked at objectively - they must be looked at not in the understanding of Western apologists or what is put out to mitigate some very disturbing examples of the "most perfect of human beings" but as they are and how this has everything to do with the situation.
01:48 PM on 04/28/2010
Only a small number of Muslim women wear the niqab in France. That said, it should be illegal. I really hope that the law passes. The man is an fundamentalist radical who claims to be following Islam but then has all these 'mistresses' with whom he has fathered 12 kids. So he should pay for them NOT the French. And this woman was driving a car while wearing a niqab which honestly looks dangerous. As a foreigner who lives in France this really angers me. It gives us a bad reputation. ALSO-it is written in Islam that you assimulate aka blend in when you move to a culture...why dont they ever mention that?
03:19 PM on 04/28/2010
joliepoppy, can you please cite the verse and book where it is written that they should assimilate or blend in? Is it in Koran or Hadith? I would really appreciate seeing that. Thanks so much.
01:16 PM on 04/28/2010
Eating pork and wearing casual clothes is also a part of the French way of life, buddy. And if your wife would want an affair you'd likely behead her.
08:49 AM on 04/28/2010
These people are just welfare cheats, scamming the state under the guise of some phony religious authority. I wonder what the Arabic word for welfare queen is...
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05:18 AM on 04/28/2010
"mistresses are not forbidden, neither in France, nor in Islam."

pardon?...what b.s is this?...mistresses are forbidden in Islam!....they maybe are allowed 4 wifes (women don't have their say in that!) but not mistresses!
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Thomas Paine, expat in France 1792-1802
04:40 AM on 04/28/2010
FATHER OF BURQA WOMAN AFFIRMS SHE WAS BEATEN BY HUSBAND!

Report (translated by me) from today's edition of Le Figaro:

"According to the Interior Minister, the father of the woman fined in Nantes Friday for driving while wearing a niqab, had reported to military staff two months ago that his daughter was "in tears" during a phone conversation during which she said she had been "beaten".

Le Figaro says the reported was confirmed by the gendarmerie (national police).

http://fr.news.yahoo.com/63/20100428/tfr-lies-hebbadj-accus-de-violences-sur-019dcf9.html

My friends, most people in France have been arguing on these boards that relationships of this sort are not so simple as saying they are by consent.

Someone of Muslim descent, who pretends to be British on these comment threads (RP) implied that I was racist because I called his wives "stupid wenches". Well, maybe my remark was bit strong, but Western women who climb into niqabs to please their incredibly backward and male chauvinist husbands are sending the message that FEMALE SLAVERY is a matter of free choice.

Maybe it is a matter of choice for them, but for most born Muslim women, it is pure SLAVERY!!
05:21 AM on 04/28/2010
She must have been disobedient.

[4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and [b]beat them[/b]; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
05:22 AM on 04/28/2010
BTW, 4:34 above is from the koran.
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12:59 PM on 04/28/2010
And the Koran is superseded in France by the laws of France, a sovereign nation. What the Koran allows or disallows regarding violence is absolutely irrelevant. Physical assault is illegal in France and most countries for that matter, those who absolutely insist that they are entitled to physically assault their spouses or whomever would do well to either live somewhere where that behavior is allowed or face the legal consequences for their actions in places where it is not, like France.
12:11 AM on 04/28/2010
Let the Muslim bashing begin. Like stink on s.h.i.t the usual suspects or islamaphobes appear. You know who you are!

Don't blame Muslims for some women wearing the niqab, the majority don't. It's not required by Islam, it's more cultural than religious and pre-dates Islam. I don't understand why niqabi people and their supporters migrate to liberal countries anyway. If you feel that strongly about your keeping your woman covered then stay in the untlra conserative village that you came from.

The hijab is fine but the niqab is completely unnecessary!
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02:29 AM on 04/28/2010
Religious extremism is a form of mental illness at least and at best a delusion of grandeur drug to make one feel superior to others! All unhealthy and immature!
03:23 PM on 04/28/2010
So true!
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07:56 AM on 04/28/2010
I agree with everything you say, except not all posters here are Muslim bashers.

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12:05 AM on 04/28/2010
What to make of a character whose first name is "Lies". It's gotta be a joke, right?
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01:00 PM on 04/28/2010
It is now...
10:13 PM on 04/27/2010
So if his wives screw around with a few other men he wouldn't object he got a deal,,I say then let his wives wear burqas.
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09:32 PM on 04/27/2010
I think that the burqa and concealed weapons should be banned; however if this woman's "husband" wants to make her a mistress, no problem. He should see the other side of this; hedoesn't need pre-nups.
09:28 PM on 04/27/2010
This article by Mona Eltahawy from the International Herald Tribune last year explains why we must fight the full face concealing veil better than anything else.

"A bizarre political correctness has tied the tongues of those who would normally rally to women’s rights."

http://www.monaeltahawy.com/blog/?p=143
11:09 PM on 04/27/2010
evagorman, thanks for the link. Notice how it only took a few posts before the poor woman started receiving threats against herself and her mother. Such is the Islam that France is most likely concerned about.
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12:47 AM on 04/28/2010
I recommend the article that Evagorman posted. The comments are also very lucid and interesting. The threatening ones appear to have been taken down, but what's left is very interesting and makes the garbage on here sound like a BNP meeting.
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12:43 AM on 04/28/2010
Excellent link. I, like many people, think the burqa hides women from view, and in this atmosphere charged with terrorism inspires fear as well. Not being Muslim I question whether I should comment at all on something that is considered a 'religious issue.' I would like to live to see a real ERA passed in America, and issues like this treated as if they did create a second class citizen classification.

Having looked at the British Sharia courts and the poor results for women, I think the US has to take a hard line on that. It does provide proof of a religious bias which keeps women 'in their place,' which the UK now backs as a binding arbitration. As a lawyer, I find that intolerable.
01:12 AM on 04/28/2010
Indeed it is absolutely intolerable. That the West would allow any of Islamic juresprudence into it's societies just allows for more and precedent. Sharia also includes hand cutting, lashings, stoning and other manners of monstrous punishment. It also is unfair to women in matters of divorce and inheritance - there is NO room for this in a Western country that is wanting to uphold equal rights under it's laws.
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08:19 AM on 04/28/2010
I don't think we should have Sharia Courts in UK, even for a dispute between two muslim people. This is a bad idea.
08:54 PM on 04/27/2010
France is in big danger of becoming the first Nuclear Muslim State.
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09:35 PM on 04/27/2010
Why is that a danger?
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10:05 PM on 04/27/2010
Pakistan is a Muslim state and they have nukes, and they gladly provide the technology to N Korea and Iran.

Brilliant!
07:20 PM on 04/27/2010
typo error there is so much about it, find the truth about this religion before uyou call us different names,and insult us.
07:17 PM on 04/27/2010
they are serious problems facing our society instead of dealing with it we leave that and face trivial things,we all need to check our attitudes towards ourself and other people. less than 2000 people wear the burka and tere is so much about it. how many accidents have you heard that was caused because the driver was wearing a burka,how many crimes hav been perpetuated by women in the burka,have never heard of it,the french goverment is banning it for moral issues not security reasons cause they have the data.trust me if it was for security reasons the goverment would have said it.its just another way of painting us the muslim as babaric and extremist,i want you to ask yourself this,if this religion was babaric the way the media portray,why then has the population of muslims increased in the west in recent years,and how come its 1 of the biggest religion in the world,please people do your research and find out the truth about this religion.
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10:30 PM on 04/27/2010
Acid in schoolgirls faces in Afghanistan. Honor killings. Female genital mutilation. Polygamy. Slavery. The murder of Theo Van Gogh. The fatwa against Salmon Rushdie's life. Child brides. Suicide bombers. The Madrid train bombing . The London bombing. The Bali bombings. 9/11. Multiple bombings in Paris. The attempted murder of a Danish cartoonist. Death threats against Matt Stone and Trey Parker.
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12:18 AM on 04/28/2010
Re: ".... how many accidents have you heard that was caused because the driver was wearing a burka, how many crimes hav been perpetuated by women in the burka, have never heard of it"....

Oh, I am just going to take your workd for it.

NOT.
01:08 AM on 04/28/2010
There was a story last week of a woman who was sadly killed when her niqab got caught in the wheel of a go cart at an amusement park. She was warned ahead of time but continued on and ended up dying a horrible death.
06:38 PM on 04/27/2010
Someone should inform the interestingly named Lies Hebbadj that he cannot cherry-pick those French values which he finds convenient.

Whilst having mistresses might well be part of the French "way", obliging them to wear masks certainly is not.
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07:10 PM on 04/27/2010
Marital infidelity is not specific to the French, it happens everywhere.
08:59 PM on 04/27/2010
Excellent EducatedObserver!