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Apple, Whirlpool Among Companies Calling For Relaxed Standards For Wall Street

First Posted: 07/04/10 06:12 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:20 PM ET

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Household names like Apple, Caterpillar and Whirlpool are part of a coalition of companies lobbying Congress to allow Wall Street to escape tough new rules on derivatives trading, potentially sowing the seeds for another AIG-like disaster.

In a letter sent to senators late last week, the Coalition for Derivatives End-Users -- companies that ostensibly use derivatives to hedge future risks like rising interest rates or a depreciating dollar -- argue that the current bill pending before the Senate goes too far in regulating what famed investor Warren Buffett once called "financial weapons of mass destruction."

So the coalition wants exemptions -- lots of them:

Big banks like JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and Goldman Sachs shouldn't be forced to have more cash to cover its derivatives deals; firms, including those financial behemoths, needn't be compelled to post margin to cover their bets; financial firms, save for the megabanks, should be treated like manufacturers and other industrial companies, and hence should be able to continue trading their derivatives contracts with little government oversight; and up to two-thirds of all over-the-counter derivatives trades should continue to be traded in the dark.

A close reading of the coalition's letter, and the accompanying suggestions for legislative fixes, reveals that the coalition doesn't really support the central aim behind reforming the derivatives racket: forcing the vast majority of now-unregulated trades that occur over telephone conversations and email onto central exchanges and exchange-like facilities.

"It appears to be a total evisceration of the bill," said Adam K. White, director of research at White Knight Research and Trading, an independent research consulting firm.

The benefit of derivatives reform, according to reformers on Capitol Hill, in the Obama administration, and outside Washington, is a less-risky system with more safeguards and more transparent pricing of these contracts, so firms that use derivatives to hedge against future risk get market prices rather than one determined by an oligarchical system.

The downside, according to the coalition, is "many companies across the country that had no role in the financial crisis and do not pose risks to the financial system will have to post billions of dollars in working capital to meet new regulatory requirements."

It's like gambling in Las Vegas for years with Monopoly money, and then all of a sudden being forced to front real cash.

"As it is, the end-user exemption will decrease the transparency and stability of the financial market, and in the current bill the end-user exemption definition is expansive to the point where lots of the wrong types of firms could qualify," says Mike Konczal, a fellow at the pro-financial reform Roosevelt Institute. "What the Coalition...[is] asking for is to radically make this regulation worse, by essentially saying that everyone gets to be an end-user and that everything gets to be exempt from regulation."

One of the signatories to the coalition's letter, the National Association of Manufacturers, did not respond to a request for comment. Another, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, did not respond to an immediate request for comment.

"I don't think true end users want an evisceration of this bill because I don't think they want to go through another near-death experience like we did when the financial system almost collapsed," White said.

Among the coalition's requested carve-outs:

  • Deleting provisions in the current Senate bill, authored by Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd (D-Conn.) and Agriculture Committee Chairman Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), that call for swaps dealers, like JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America, Citigroup, Morgan Stanley and Wells Fargo, to hold higher amounts of capital to support their derivatives bets;
  • Deleting a term defining major derivatives users, which calls for higher capital requirements and mandates that they clear their derivatives deals through transparent venues that require parties to post margin. By deleting this provision, the coalition wants to exempt an entire class of derivatives users from having to post cash upfront to support their bets.
  • Changing the definition of what constitutes true hedging. Derivatives are traditionally used to hedge future risk. Firms like Coca-Cola and General Electric use derivatives to hedge fluctuations in currency and interest rates. But they can also be used to make wild bets. The coalition wants to broaden the definition of what constitutes actual hedging to include transactions in which a firm -- like a hedge fund (Long-Term Capital Management) or large insurance company (AIG) -- seeks to hedge anticipated assets and liabilities, like a future purchase of a share of a collateralized debt obligation based on home mortgage-backed bonds. These kinds of derivatives contracts should continue to be traded with little government oversight, the coalition argues.
  • Doing away with margin requirements that compel megabanks to post upfront cash on their derivatives deals with non-megabanks that reflect changes in the contract's value and guarantees the trades.

The net effect of these changes would keep between 60 to 66 percent of over-the-counter derivatives in the shadows and away from government oversight, according to statistics from the Bank for International Settlements.

"These changes would be worse than having no bill, as it would create the assumption that regulation has occurred when in fact nothing of relevance has changed," Konczal said.

The coalition's proposals are "loopholes that swallow the law," said Michael Greenberger, a professor at the University of Maryland Law School and former director of trading and markets at the Commodity Futures Trading Commission.

He added: "The American people are just going to have to decide whether they want to continue playing Russian roulette."

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Household names like Apple, Caterpillar and Whirlpool are part of a coalition of companies lobbying Congress to allow Wall Street to escape tough new rules on derivatives trading, potentially sowing t...
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04:40 PM on 05/06/2010
Sure - regulate the middle class and let the rich guys circumvent the rules. That's what we sent you to Washington for right to protect an defend; For the people WHO HAVE THE MONEY, By ThePEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MONEY AND TO ALLOW THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE MONEY TO TAKE IT FROM THOSE WHO DON'T.

Do you run the Vatican Bank too?
04:57 AM on 05/06/2010
One of the biggest problems we have with our statutes, especially at the federal level, is riddling them with exceptions. It defeats the rule of law (that all persons within the general purpose of a statute be bound by the same benefits and constraints) and deprives any company or person who is left subject to the statute of equal protection of the law (that was the original meaning of equal protection -- that all persons be equally subject to and protected by the law). Exceptions should always be the exception and serve a narrow and rational purpose but anyone who reads statutes -- and I have had to do that for a living before -- knows how the list of exceptions goes on and on, often hidden in dense language, and are obviously the result of lobbying and the influence of special interests. It makes these laws arbitrary and that alone renders them unconstitutional. Arbitrariness, as John Adams said, is the essence of tyranny. It's one of those fundamental principles that we seem to have forgotten as we rush to eviscerate the limits of government to achieve short term expediencies.
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08:15 PM on 05/05/2010
She ain't no republican Stepford wife. What a coward.
11:24 PM on 05/04/2010
I do not like it when HuffPost mixes "reporting" with "opinion" articles like the one above. One reason? If someone is going to write an opinion piece on business it should not be a journalist, it should be someone with financial knowledge. HuffPost has several well versed financial bloggers who understand what derivatives are, and they should be the people writing on the subject. He could have easily written this article reporting facts, but he has injected plenty of his own opinion into it. There should be a distinction between news and spin.....
11:52 PM on 05/04/2010
First, you need to recognize that over 90 percent of the people on HP don't have any idea what derivatives are or why they might be used by corporations. Second, they don't care. They've decided they are all evil and write thoughtful posts (probably from a dorm room or NGO office - certainly not from within a company where one might get a paying job and have some impact on making payroll with other than taxpayer money) like the one immediately below. Brain waves are not always a speciality.
10:19 PM on 05/04/2010
I was looking for a reason not to buy an apple iWhatever... Now I have one... Sit and spin on it Steve, and all you corporate pieces of shizzle can rot in he//!!
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Nuyorican21
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09:02 PM on 05/04/2010
I always thought capitalism was when people make new products and/or services or provide old ones cheaper and more efficient and/or better. Now I realize its when you open a business with a loan, put it up for collateral in order to by a mortgage, finally make profit and start to pay off that mortgage when Walmart comes in and hires illegal labor and puts you out of business, into debt and out of your house.
11:53 PM on 05/04/2010
What in the heck are you talking about?
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LastAngryWoman
waiting for godot
08:08 AM on 05/05/2010
DesertDawgAlpha is unsure as to your point, or what your main drift is.

The only part of your post I didn't get was the "Walmart...hires illegal labor". I am not convinced that it is normal policy for them to do this. =]] but if you have any links with info to back that claim...I would love to take a look. I'm curious.

As to how capitalism works? Well, your scenario works for me. I live in an area with many smallish towns very close together. Touristy little places with quaint, beautiful, charming stores. Yeah, well, not so much when the Walmart appears. Over the last twenty years, I have watched the downtown cores of many of these places change. Am I silly for blaming it on Walmart? Prolly. But it's part of the ongoing decay, that's a for sure, I think.
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
08:28 PM on 05/04/2010
Nothing good will happen until we stop buying their crap. Everything they sell is made in China anyway. Let the Chinese buy their crap. ;-)
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MekhongKurt
12:08 AM on 05/05/2010
(Um, sposton, can I tell you something? THIS story is about DERIVATIVES regulation -- not Walmart. Walmart isn't mentioned in the story *at all.* On topic, please.)
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
12:56 AM on 05/05/2010
You can tell me whatever you wish. I am sorry you don't see the larger connection but that is OK.
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LastAngryWoman
waiting for godot
08:10 AM on 05/05/2010
Ooops, sry. I got off topic too with the Walmart. =]] No idea why.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
07:21 PM on 05/04/2010
This makes me so suspicious. I have no verifiable grounds for saying this, but I am so utterly confounded by the nearly $1 trillion in cash accumulated by American corporations that I would not be surprised if it is used primarily to make money in non-social-value derivatives gambling. I would not be surprised if we learn that the American worker is not only competing with incredibly cheap Asian labor but with hedge fund returns of 10%-20%. When the consumer of last resort -- the American workforce -- can't afford to buy any more, and the Asian populations and governments aren't interested in creating consumption crazed societies, how else can giant corporations continue to show profit growth? I know, I know, somebody has to be on the other side of the proposition for it to make money -- who knows -- maybe the losers are our pension funds, municipalities, university endowments, ....

Something about this just pushes me toward the irrational. I have nothing against currency hedging, airline fuel price hedging, grain price hedging, etc. but there should be no reason to be secretive about it or to resist rational constraints. There is just something fishy about all this.
10:24 PM on 05/04/2010
Yeah... What is with the secrecy.... I bet it's because they are ashamed of what they are doing and if that laundry is aired out, consumers will be upset... at least some of the consumers.. fanned...
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
12:06 AM on 05/05/2010
Thanks for not calling me nuts. Grain futures for the farmer who produces grain make a lot of sense to me. It seems crazy that the transformation of homes into investments did not produce an innovative financial product for home owner price protection -- instead, the owner/buyer is the only one unqualified to participate in hedging. Following this line of thinking, when it comes to corporations, in a sense it is the corporation itself that needs to protect its stock value or hedge against a fall in stock price -- so couldn't corporations, if transparency is not required, actually be betting against themselves in order to survive bad news or a down market? If a CEO did that, it would surely be viewed as highly unethical, but if it can be done in the shadows on behalf of the corporation, what's to stop them? Yet it would be so insidious and socially worthless. This is where my mind goes, and it is a conversation that I can't seem to start, so it just festers.
11:55 PM on 05/04/2010
Corporations would be much better off spending way more than they make, just like the US government, than in accumulating cash for a rainy day or so they can quickly act on acquistion opportunities. If they spend more than they make they can be just like GM and get owned by the government since they'd otherwise go belly up.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
12:28 AM on 05/05/2010
Corporations have been at this (cash accumulation) for some time, but they never seem to find anything worth acquiring, even while surrounded by bargains. It seems to baffle even Carl Icahn, who moves in and tries to demand that all that cash should be used for stock repurchase, but it seems like even he slinks away for reasons I'll never know. It just seems like there is more to the story than the obvious.
Linda from Deerfield
Paying attention
12:34 AM on 05/05/2010
Last I knew, some corporations had more cash than the total value of their stock, which should make them beautiful takeover targets -- just buy them out, liquidate, and walk away with the excess cash, but it doesn't happen. Why is nobody acquiring anything?
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Darlie Brewster
HAOL is censored, the truth is not here.
06:54 PM on 05/04/2010
ENOUGH GAMBLING ! Dump derivatives period.
11:26 PM on 05/04/2010
How is entering into an interest rate swap gambling...when it's usually used to hedge risks. What is an interest rate swap?
11:56 PM on 05/04/2010
Please understand that many may not know that the A in ARM (adjustable rate mortgage) meant that the rate might actually go up. Don't ask such mean questions.
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GiantsFan44
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06:53 PM on 05/04/2010
He added: "The American people are just going to have to decide whether they want to continue playing Russian roulette."

Like anybody in Washington is going to REALLY consider the people when they vote. Oh you might have a few Grayson, Paul(only against the fed), Kucinich, Weiner, Sanders, Leahy, Brown(Sherrod).
09:05 PM on 05/04/2010
You have got to be kidding me? A couple of those clowns could be certifiable and the rest old, tired lame libspewers. Unreal
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LastAngryWoman
waiting for godot
08:17 AM on 05/05/2010
Alan Grayson vs say, Boehner?

Yeah, I'd take Grayson any day to cast a vote that represented me. Boehner, on the other hand, represents money. His money. That is all.
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RoveRoveRoveYourBoat
.....last one out, turn off the lights.
06:43 PM on 05/04/2010
......whirlpool just this week off-shored a whirlpool full of jobs!
With anti-American corporations like these,
we don't need to worry about their welfare.
11:58 PM on 05/04/2010
Were they able to get the same work done more cheaply, and at the same quality? Or were the Americans able to do more, productivity wise (ratio of output to cost of input) than the foreigners with whom they are competing? We live in a free trade world, my friend.
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RoveRoveRoveYourBoat
.....last one out, turn off the lights.
01:01 PM on 05/05/2010
Dear Dullard,
I live in a community in America.
The economy of MY COMMUNITY is important to me.
You have been brainwashed into the "give your life over to the lowest common denominator of the world economy for the lucrative benifit of plutocrats.
PLEASE STOP SPOUTING THEIR POISON AND WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!
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Paul Peete
Proud to be Progressive!
05:51 PM on 05/04/2010
CDEU got to keep their companies and the workers lost their jobs and homes. Whirlpool just closed an American plant recently, and Apple sure hasn't suffered through the Great Recession.

The point is that derivatives unregulated are using taxpayer dollars to ensure their gambles. Those lucky enough to be taxpayers are on the hook for these corporate hedges.
11:27 PM on 05/04/2010
Ha, lucky enough to be taxpayers....non-taxpayers now make up ~50% of the population. We are the "lucky" ones who have to work while other people forcibly take our money for goodies?
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Hoosierbrad
I know it when I see it.
09:27 AM on 05/05/2010
Those 50% who don't pay taxes, are they worthy of any less respect as human beings than you are? Oh, by the way, those people still pay taxes like FICA, Excise, Sales, State Income, Property, etc. The next time you throw out your trash remember how well your neighborhood would smell if someone making barely more than minimum wage wouldn't have picked up that trash for you and disposed of it.,
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MekhongKurt
12:12 AM on 05/05/2010
Paul, I'm no economist -- heck, I have to be careful balancing a checkbook -- but even *I* get this. However, it seems to be beyond the abilities of some folks to catch the plot, so to speak, so I imagine you're whistling in the wind, or the dark, or something . . . sad to say.
useyourbrain
Once I heard nothing
05:47 PM on 05/04/2010
NEW RULES

Stocks can only be traded in companies that actually make something as opposed to those who create mythological wealth on paper and then trade it like it was real.
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spinns17
TEAMSTER
06:27 PM on 05/04/2010
but they work hard pushing paper.lol
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Nuyorican21
Law Clerk
08:57 PM on 05/04/2010
KILLING TREES!!!!
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racetoinfinity
restore Glass-Steagall now!
05:21 PM on 05/04/2010
APPLE is off my list as a cool company; they're part of the corporate plutocracy now, it seems.
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eds123
My micro-bio is less filling and tastes great!
05:38 PM on 05/04/2010
News Flash! They always have been. The best you can get is a company that treats their customers like human beings and makes quality products.
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racetoinfinity
restore Glass-Steagall now!
02:22 AM on 05/06/2010
....and that's a damned shame!
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PhilipTaylor
Legalized Bribery is an Oxymoron - must END
05:01 PM on 05/04/2010
All or nothing as the Banksters will find ways to get around SYSTEM!