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Gibbs: 'I Have A Hard Time Understanding' The Kagan-Miers Analogy

First Posted: 05/10/10 04:48 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:25 PM ET

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The Obama administration is working to put an early end to the notion that the president's nominee for the Supreme Court, Elena Kagan, resembles in any way the early flameout Bush appointee, Harriet Miers.

"I have a hard time understanding the analogy," said White House spokesman Robert Gibbs, during Monday's briefing. "I would have you look at the full background of her record. Again, a clerkship for [former US Appellate Court judge] Ab Mikva, a clerkship for Thurgood Marshall, teaching at the University of Chicago, work at the counsel's office here, work at the Domestic Policy Council here, nominated for a federal judgeship which might have happened were it not for a filibuster on her votes, and the notion that she received a strong bipartisan vote for being the Solicitor General..."

Republican critics of Kagan pushed the Miers analogy heavily in the hours after she was first announced as a replacement for retired Justice John Paul Stevens. Brian Darling, writing on RedState.com, asked whether Kagan would be "President Obama's Harriet Miers Moment?" Conservative legal analyst Ed Whelan, writing at the National Review, asked much the same question days before Kagan was even announced.

Bill Wilson, of Americans for Limited Government, drew the analogy quickly after the announcement was made:

"Elena Kagan is an unknown quantity with nothing in her record to recommend her to the highest court in the land. She's never been a judge, and devoid of any examples, Senators will be hard-pressed to determine exactly what her judicial philosophy is," Wilson said. "President Bush's nomination of Harriet Miers was withdrawn for the same exact reason, and rightly so."

And while Sen. John Cornyn, (R-Tex) didn't allude directly to Miers, his emphasis on Kagan's lack of "prior judicial experience" was contrasted immediately to the positive reviews he had given to Bush's second choice for the Court just five years prior.

[O]ne reason I felt so strongly about Harriet Miers's qualifications is I thought she would fill some very important gaps in the Supreme Court. Because right now you have people who've been federal judges, circuit judges most of their lives, or academicians. And what you see is a lack of grounding in reality and common sense that I think would be very beneficial.

The comparisons, of course, are rather unfounded. Miers was attacked by conservatives for being an unknown quantity. But among Democrats that was not the primary concern. That distinction was owed to her proximity to the president, for whom she served as counsel and actually had led the search for a Supreme Court pick (before Bush decided to choose her instead). The overarching fear was that Miers would simply be a lackey for the Bush administration's policies once confirmed. No one has yet to make a compelling case that Kagan is indebted to President Obama to the extent that she would carry out his agenda on the court. Indeed, her career path has paralleled -- if not, at times, exceeded -- Obama's, rather than been dependent on his.

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The Obama administration is working to put an early end to the notion that the president's nominee for the Supreme Court, Elena Kagan, resembles in any way the early flameout Bush appointee, Harriet M...
The Obama administration is working to put an early end to the notion that the president's nominee for the Supreme Court, Elena Kagan, resembles in any way the early flameout Bush appointee, Harriet M...
 
 
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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
JShankel 01:30 AM on 05/11/2010
I'm really starting to get confused with the Republican analogy game.

On the one hand, they insist that George Bush was treated unfairly and that history will redeem his presidency and that pretty much every judgment call he made was world class and, darn the luck and those mean Europeans, he just never caught a break.

On the other hand, every time Obama does something or  Read More...
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AxelDC
05:06 PM on 05/11/2010
Republicans ignore the fact that she is the administration's representative to the Supreme Court.

They also cavalierly brush aside her role as a tenured law professor at the University of Chicago and as the Dean of Harvard Law, two of the top 5 law schools in the US. It's as if being a law professor in no way prepares you to understand the law.

Look at how disdainfully the refer to Obama as a "community organizer", completely blowing off his years as a practicing attorney and as a Professor of Constitutional Law at University of Chicago.

The anti-intellectualism of the Right is repugnant, and explains how they can embrace Bible Spice, who barely got a BA in Communications from Idaho, as their ideal President.
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Helzapoppin
Don't Piss Down My Back And Tell Me It's Raining.
04:57 PM on 05/11/2010
Let me explain it to you then, Mr. Gibbs. It's called appointing an inexperienced crony to a position WAY beyond their qualifications.
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05:48 PM on 05/11/2010
cronyism on the right, cronyism on the left. When will people look past their emotion and call it for what it is regardless of how much you like the politician.
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AxelDC
04:56 PM on 05/11/2010
Miers failed, and Republicans want Kagan to fail. That's the connection.
02:12 PM on 05/11/2010
For many liberals and civil libertarians, the Kagan nomination is a terrible act of betrayal after the President campaigned so heavily on the issue of the Supreme Court during his campaign.

He is now replacing a liberal icon with someone who has testified that she does not believe in core protections for accused individuals in the war on terror.

During her confirmation hearing Kagan testified that she believed that anyone suspected of helping finance Al Qaeda should be stripped of protections and held under indefinite detention without a trial — agreeing with the Bush Administration. . . .

In one interesting exchange, Kagan not only states that she believes we are "at war" but agrees that we should have considered ourselves at war since the 1990s . . . . Kagan’s writings (as little as there is) is highly problematic for liberals. . . .

For liberals, the problem is her "pragmatic" approach to civil liberties and support for Bush policies.

Stevens was the fifth vote in opposing such policies and Kagan could well flip that result.

Few could have imagined that voting for Obama would have resulted in moving the Court to the right, but that appears to be case with the selection of Kagan.

-Jonathan Turley

http://jonathanturley.org/2010/05/10/obama-to-nominate-elena-kagan/

NYAAH!!!!!!
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05:50 PM on 05/11/2010
what happened to individual rights in this country?

could we please have a progressive populist on the court?
11:21 AM on 05/11/2010
Gibbs: 'I Have A Hard Time Understanding'

Never a truer statement was made.
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
11:18 AM on 05/11/2010
Oh please, look what "experience" got us over the 40 years, this mess! Either one has it or not and I hope we can recognize it when we see it, that should be important. This lady is in no comparison to Harriet Miers, whose only task was to clean up GWB's military record.
10:05 AM on 05/11/2010
It'll be her first judgeship, the Supreme Court Of The United States?? She is as experienced as our current President which is pretty weak.
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emlr
"a man of knowledge is free"
11:02 AM on 05/11/2010
Media figures have advanced the myth that judicial experience is a pre-requisite for a Supreme Court justice. In fact, two of the last four previous chief justices -- William Rehnquist and Earl Warren -- had no judicial experience when first nominated to the Court by Republican presidents. Neither did other famous justices, including Felix Frankfurter, Louis Brandeis, and John Marshall, known as the "Great Chief Justice." "Indeed, according to Findlaw.com's Supreme Court Center, 40 of the 111 Supreme Court justices had no judicial experience when they were first nominated."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/10/fact-check-40-of-111-supr_n_570486.html
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Helzapoppin
Don't Piss Down My Back And Tell Me It's Raining.
04:59 PM on 05/11/2010
No, it's not a LEGAL prerequisite. It's just a greatly desired one.
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justoverit333
make art not war
10:01 AM on 05/11/2010
Just the usual Repub talking points.
Kagan in no way resembles Miers.
Not even close. Her experience blows
Miers away. No contest. Let it go GOP.
You will look like fools once again.
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Eris23
Justice is in indefinite detention.
10:18 AM on 05/11/2010
Her experience doesn't blow Miers' experience away because, in the end, neither have any judicial experience. They are both exactly equal in that regard.
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emlr
"a man of knowledge is free"
11:08 AM on 05/11/2010
Media figures have advanced the myth that judicial experience is a pre-requisite for a Supreme Court justice. In fact, two of the last four previous chief justices -- William Rehnquist and Earl Warren -- had no judicial experience when first nominated to the Court by Republican presidents. Neither did other famous justices, including Felix Frankfurter, Louis Brandeis, and John Marshall, known as the "Great Chief Justice." "Indeed, according to Findlaw.com's Supreme Court Center, 40 of the 111 Supreme Court justices had no judicial experience when they were first nominated."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/10/fact-check-40-of-111-supr_n_570486.html
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LastStar
95% of all people in the Arts are Democrats
09:30 AM on 05/11/2010
Republicans suggesting a comparison between Miers and Kagan are revealing two things: 1. How truly delusional they are.... and 2. What they must think of the intellect of their republican base.
08:49 AM on 05/11/2010
Gibbs has a hard time understanding pretty much everything.
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Jeff1958
What a long strange trip it's been
01:29 PM on 05/11/2010
That's understandable, considering the lack of intelligence and morality from the Right.
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Belisarius
Republicans are destroying the middle class.
07:38 AM on 05/11/2010
Harriet Miers could be compared with Sarah Palin, and that would make sense.

Comparing Harriet Miers with a woman that clerked for a supreme, taught law at Chicago and Harvard, and headed and remade the law school at Harvard would be like comparing George Bush to Woodrow Wilson.
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laddieluv
Dogs are angels with paws.
11:21 AM on 05/11/2010
Cosigned.

Fanned.
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IrishLover
03:50 AM on 05/11/2010
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senatortruth
Fox keeps me "INFROMED"!
03:09 AM on 05/11/2010
Harriet Miers was a hack from the Buhs inner circle.

Which means she was a TRAITTOR, just like Buhs and Cheeney.

No comparison with Kagan, who NEVER committed the TREEZIN that the Buhs Criminals did.
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jackinthegreen
immoderated
03:09 AM on 05/11/2010
Seriously. All I want is someone who doesn't have blood all the way up to their armpits. I don't even care if they're a moderate. I just don't want someone who has been wielding the axe in the process of butchering our Constitution, because some thresholds, once transgressed, can not be passed again. I want someone who hasn't been a party to the last ten years of executive power abuse. That way they might feel able to strike some of it down without feeling like a hypocrite. Is that so much to ask?
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jackinthegreen
immoderated
03:04 AM on 05/11/2010
FOR LIBERALS this IS about Miranda, torture, habeus corpus, warrantless wiretapping, illegal wars of aggression, etc. And in her job as Solicitor General, she has been the handmaiden to all of these horrible things. Sorry. Gotta oppose her.
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ColinStevens
04:10 AM on 05/11/2010
Um. Then you should support her, because one of her actions was taking part in opposition by the Law community to Bush's use of torture and tearing up of habeus corpus. She has in no way been a "handmaiden" to any of that. You're extremely misinformed.
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jackinthegreen
immoderated
05:45 AM on 05/11/2010
Are you kidding me? Obama has continued renditions, detentions, Guantanamo. Did you even see the news about Miranda this week? Obama is continuing the Bush policies, and Kagan is his Solicitor General!