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Attempt To Cap ATM Fees At 50 Cents Blocked In Senate

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First Posted: 05/19/10 12:01 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:30 PM ET

Tom Harkin was stifled in his effort Tuesday evening to bring a measure to the Senate floor that would cap ATM fees at 50 cents. Harkin (D-Iowa) first introduced his amendment on May 4 and has yet to get a vote. With the close of debate on Wall Street reform rapidly approaching, Harkin went straight to the floor to ask the chamber's consent to vote, conceding that he would be satisfied with a mere five minutes of debate.

Banks, both small and large, oppose the amendment and argue that capping fees will reduce the number of privately available ATMs at convenience stores and elsewhere as well as the number of bank-owned cash machines.

Harkin says that an average ATM transaction costs 37 cents.

Harkin's amendment is just one of several consumer friendly measures that has support but is being cut off by Republican objections and the coming end of the floor debate. "I don't think it's a good idea to cut off good consumer amendments because of cloture," said Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.).

Cantwell, along with Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), is sponsoring an amendment that would reinstate Glass-Steagall, which forces banks to split off investment banking and commercial banking. Cantwell said that the managers of the bill on the floor are telling her that her amendment is not germane and so can't be considered after cloture.

Meanwhile, Senate Republicans blocked Democrats from voting on three amendments Tuesday that are strongly opposed by Wall Street. The combination of the GOP obstruction and Democratic leadership urgency to finish the bill threatens to cut off key consumer protection amendments.

Sen. Richard Shelby of Alabama, the top-ranking Republican on the Banking Committee, rose to object to a vote on one of the most talked-about amendments, cosponsored by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.). Levin-Merkley would ban commercial banks from trading for their own benefit with taxpayer-backed money.

Shelby also objected to an amendment from Sen. Kay Hagan (D-N.C.) that would rein in predatory practices of payday lenders and one from Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-N.D.) that would have banned naked credit default swaps, which were at the heart of the financial crisis. Dorgan's amendment was expected to fail, but Levin-Merkley had been surging in recent days.

Merkley took the Senate floor after Harkin and once again called his amendment up for a vote, but Shelby objected again on behalf of coleagues. Merkley demanded to know who was objecting. "Myself, and a lot of others around here," he said, waving his hand at the GOP side of the aisle.

Merkley asked him to name names. Shelby replied that he was objecting on behalf of himself. (Only one Senator is needed to object.)

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) has an amendment that would allow states to cap interest rates on credit cards. He said Tuesday that he was working with Dodd to get a vote and that it has a chance to be ruled germane.

But the only amendment that is certain to be ruled germane, said a Democratic leadership aide, is one that makes it weaker. From Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.), the measure would exempt auto dealers from the purview of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau that the bill would create.

The only way for an amendment to come to the floor without unanimous consent, which Republicans can object to, is to file cloture to defeat a filibuster. That requires 60 votes but, more importantly, takes several days of floor time. And the Senate has a war it needs to fund.

Levin took the floor after Merkley and vowed to bring the amendment up again on Wednesday. "Wall Street's got a long arm swarming around this place," he said.

Democrats argued with themselves and with the GOP late into the night Tuesday in a session unruly and disorganized even by Senate standards.

It tested Harkin's nerves and led to the following exchange with Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.). Harkin takes the aggressive position that if he can't get a vote on his ATM amendment, he doesn't want one on his other amendment, either, dealing with annuities.

Harkin: I want to be heard on this amendment. So we were told to stay here tonight so we could offer amendments. I've had an amendment pending since this bill was brought to the floor. I've not been able to bring it up. I've not been able to bring it up. We were told we could stay here tonight and offer amendments. So in good faith, I stayed here tonight to offer my amendment. Now I'm told we can't offer amendments because there is a pending amendment and you can't set it aside. What kind of games are being played around here? I've had this amendment pending ever since the beginning. And I have not been allowed to bring it up. And of course with cloture tomorrow, it would fall. So what does this mean that we should stay around here and offer amendments tonight when there's a pending amendment you can't set aside? Well, Mr. President, if that's the game you're going to play, I'm going to put in a quorum call and we won't call it off. Reid: Will the Senator yield -- Mr. President? Would my friend yield without his losing the floor for a question?

Harkin: Without losing my right to the floor.

Reid: If the conversations we just completed over here--trying to work something out for the rest of the evening...it is my understanding that the minority, the Republicans, agreed to allow your amendment dealing with annuities to come up, okay? In the conversation we had over here just a few minutes ago, The Republicans and Senator Dodd and his staff thought it would be appropriate to bring up your amendment dealing with annuities. That was part of the general agreement that we had worked out over here.

Harkin: Well, I had this amendment. I have my ATM amendment and then there was an annuities amendment.

Reid: The annuities amendment is what the conversation was.

Harkin: This is the ATM amendment I had filed since the beginning, I would say to my leader, that I had filed since this bill was brought on the floor.

Reid: What about the annuity amendment?

Harkin: I have that amendment, too. I didn't know there was a limit. I have two amendments. I have an annuity amendments and I have the ATM amendment.

Reid: I guess my questions through the chair to my friend from Iowa is, rather than go into quorum call tonight, you could always do that some other time. I think it would be more appropriate if your amendment dealing with annuities -- there are other amendments that have been agreed to, we could see if we could dispose of those.

Harkin: No, I will not be able to. Because there will ago cloture vote tomorrow and I will have been precluded for three weeks from offering my amendment. And, you know, that's not quite fair ball around here.

Reid: But at least - but, I would say --

Harkin: I had only asked for -- I said I'd do my amendment in five minutes. I don't need to take much time with my amendment.

Reid: But I say again through the chair to my friend, it seems that it would be better that you would have the opportunity at least to get the annuity amendment, which a number of us believe is a very important amendment, and I would feel -- I think it would be better that we were able to at least get rid of that amendment in a positive way, because I think there's a very important amendment. If I had to choose between your ATM amendment or the -- the amendment dealing with annuities, it would be hard for me to make a choice which one is the more important amendment. So it is not a question of not having two amendments. It is a question of, couldn't we atleast dispose of one of them, which is an important amendment? Otherwise the way this train is going, we may never get to the annuity amendment.

Harkin: Well, I say to my -- Mr. President, I say to my friend, the leader, that we seem to have an impasse here. I have an annuities amendment. I don't know what's going to happen to that. I don't know if they're going to bring it up or not bring it up. If they're going to vote on it or not vote on it. I have an ATM amendment that I've tried to bring up. I heard earlier my friend from Connecticut -- he is my friend, I respect him highly, he knows that -- but he said, stay around here and offer amendments. Well, I just offered an amendment and I can't offer an amendment because they won't set aside the pending amendment.

Reid: I am not going to belabor the point, Mr. President, other than to say to my friend, there's been a tentative agreement between the two managers of the bill, including the -- offering your amendment dealing with annuities. That's an important amendment of - I support it a lot. I think the other amendment is good, too, but I -- we don't have an agreement on both of them. We do on one of them. It doesn't seem --

Harkin: Well, Mr. President, I say then, I think until we find something out and get something worked out, I suggest the absence of a quorum.


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Tom Harkin was stifled in his effort Tuesday evening to bring a measure to the Senate floor that would cap ATM fees at 50 cents. Harkin (D-Iowa) first introduced his amendment on May 4 and has yet to ...
Tom Harkin was stifled in his effort Tuesday evening to bring a measure to the Senate floor that would cap ATM fees at 50 cents. Harkin (D-Iowa) first introduced his amendment on May 4 and has yet to ...
 
 
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12:17 AM on 05/21/2010
Minor victory for capitalism.
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05:07 AM on 07/10/2010
Major victory for oligarchies.
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bankruptedbyharkin
05:54 AM on 05/20/2010
Did what Senator Harkin is trying to do to the ATM industry end up with the death of the inventor?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/19/AR2010051903442.html?hpid=sec-world

Harkin’s Amendment 3812, which would have capped the ATM surcharge at $.50, has been replaced by a new amendment, 4085.
10:59 PM on 05/19/2010
I purchased a soda from a vending machine the other day and it was 2.50. I know the Soda only cost pennies to make, but distributing it, gas, time, insurance, and other overhead costs included, it's definitely more. Although I knew I could get a 2Liter Bottle at the store for 2.50, I still bought it. Why? Because I was thirsty and it was convenient. ATM Machines are basically exactly the same thing, except we don't have sodas in our vending machines, we have money. THIS IS AGAINST THE FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES OF OUR COUNTRY. If people need cash they can pay the fee declared. Supply, Demand, and price factors affect and vary the surcharge. If a location has high volume, we can lower the surcharge to offset costs. If it has lower volume and in a remote location, a higher surcharge would be needed to offset the costs.

PRICE FIXING IS THE BEGINNING OF SOCIALISM. IT'S NOT JUST THIS INDUSTRY, IT STARTS HERE WHERE DOES IT STOP?
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bankruptedbyharkin
06:51 PM on 05/19/2010
Here we go again: Harkin’s Amendment 3812, which would have capped the ATM surcharge at $.50, has been replaced by a new amendment, 4085.
The fight isn't over.
03:34 PM on 05/19/2010
The biggest reason i believe ATMs have the market they do is because of Indian gaming and casinos that are everywhere now and growing. You need cash to play. Most times you go to these on-site ATMs to get more and pay the fees. The machines or game tables, etc dont take credit cards. If i were to do anything it would be to cap the fee depending on where it is (Casino, racetrack, gaming location). This only adds to the addictive financial condition that most ATM gaming patrons are in. If i were offering a bill it would be to restrict ATMs from gaming locations/casino hotels, or limit the # of ATM transactions from a gaming location merchant. Their are millions of addicts (yes very under-reported by the mainstream media and government). Nobody wants to think they have a problem or that it will worsen). PDL companies have been making tons of money off addiction (460% APR). ATMs in gaming locations and Payday loan companies are predatory and will not yell out "last call" or call you a cab when you've gambled too much. They'll keep "forking" it over until you collapse and then we all pay for it.
03:15 PM on 05/19/2010
Everytime someone uses my ATM machine they vote yes. I ask you first if you are OK with paying $2. Banks do not set my fees I do. I pay for my machine. I drive around to find a spot for it. I fill it with my cash. I service it. If I put it some where and it does not get enough use I move it. This would kill 99% of the ATM's you see in stores. Put thousands out of work. Do some DD before you think something is good for everyone.
04:47 PM on 05/19/2010
Hey! We don't welcome sense around here! Take all of that sense and get out of here where you belong, with all of those dirty, profit earning Republicans! This site is for people who want a repeat of the Soviet Union only!

But, you're fanned, for being one of 6 posters in this thread who has a functioning brain.
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03:09 PM on 05/19/2010
I'm impressed with the coverage of this issue by www.huffingtonpost.com and by their quickness to approve pending comments. Thank you gang for such a great job. You have a huge new fan!!!
03:04 PM on 05/19/2010
WOW you guys have no idea what you are talking about!! Many of you are clueless. I OWN ATM machines that I buy with my money and place in stores. I am no way working for the bank. I work for myself. If this was to pass I would be out of business in less then a month. There would be 15 places around town that would not have an ATM anymore. You would not have access to your cash unless you went to YOUR bank.
ATM Machine $2500.00
Phone service $40.00 month
Pay Rent $100.00
I charge $2.00 and the atm gets used 100 times a month
2x100=$200 - 40 for phone - 100 for rent = Profit 60 bucks a month!!

I'm not a BANK ATM! I'm a business owner. over 80% of ATM's are placed not by banks but people like me. Please know what the heck your talking about before you talk.
03:30 PM on 05/19/2010
Thanks for the facts!

Another bad law filled with unintended consequences: putting the small guy out of business and making it worse for the consumer.
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bankruptedbyharkin
02:43 PM on 05/19/2010
Not only was Senator Harkin stifled, but he tried to go back on an agreement he made just a couple of minutes before he tried to lie, steal, and cheat his ATM amendment onto the floor of the Senate. His own party shut him down as Senator Reid had to remind him of his agreement in open session! Either he had major memory loss, Mad Cow?, or he just cannot be trusted to keep his word. Either way, it's time for him to step down.
A question that keeps coming up: How does Senator Harkin know that "Gentlemen's Clubs" have $5 ATM fees?
Senator, if you haven't gotten the memo...Democrats do not want to be known for supporting Big Banks and you were trying to give Big Banks control of the entire ATM industry and put tens of thousands of people out of jobs when ATM users can go to their own bank and use the ATM for free and can get reimbursed for their ATM fees as well. Wake up, sir!
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jeanwny
02:23 PM on 05/19/2010
Blocked by the Senate, blocked by the Senate, Blocked by the Senate, do you detect a pattern here?
01:34 PM on 05/19/2010
What do you think would happen if we set price controls on vending machines at 10 cents per bottle of soda? At that price, buying the machine refilling it and maintaining it would be no longer be economically beneficial, guess how many vending machines you would find?
02:22 PM on 05/19/2010
exactly.

Plus, simple supply and demand would say the demand for sodas would drastically increase. There is only a finite amount of soda that suppliers can produce and therefore the consumers would have shortages. That would be another great example of the government stepping in and doing bad things.
02:49 PM on 05/19/2010
Price controls always lead to either surpluses or shortages
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ennis438
01:33 PM on 05/19/2010
When the corporate criminals say jump, the GOP says how high? A criminal conspiracy exists between the corporate terrorists and the GOP, with the desire to act against the American people. As long as the people fail to wake up to this fact, the decline of America will continue.
02:24 PM on 05/19/2010
do you blindly support every bill or do you read beyond the headlines to fully understand what all of a bills unintended consequences are? Sadly, most people (on both sides of the fence) don't understand everything in a bill is.
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bankruptedbyharkin
02:58 PM on 05/19/2010
You have to look at the big picture...
Democrats would have been on the hook for handing BIG BANKS the entire ATM industry on a platinum platter, not a silver platter. D's do NOT want to be seen as being in the back pocket of the Big Banks and Wall Street. No one wants Big Banks and Wall Street to control any industry...just look at how well they did with the mortgage industry. How was it for ya this month when you wrote that mortgage check for a house that's worth 35% less than it was just three years ago?
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Jeronimo Dan
01:18 PM on 05/19/2010
This is a perfect example of why the whole bunch should be voted from office. Their all non-functional and both side are still covering for big finance and not the American people.
01:16 PM on 05/19/2010
ATM fees should be disclosed up front and you as the consumer have a choice: Do I drive all over town searching for ATM that only will charge me $0.50 or do I pay this $5 ATM fee to save time?

Passing laws, especially ones that just make a lawmaker look tough & like they are standing up for the consumers, have numerous unintended consequences. Price fixing is not the answer.

I believe that it’s best for the consumer to make that choice not have the government babysit us. This law might sound great, but it would severely limit the number of ATM available and hurt the consumer.

For example:

Suppose they set the ATM fee at $0.25 maximum, which might sound great. However what also happens? The small convenience store is the middle of nowhere is thinking about buying an ATM to install in their store. It will cost them $5,000 and $25 a month to operate. Assuming 40 transactions a day, it would take them 1.6 years to pay it off, before they could have a return on the investment (ROI) and it’s not worth it, where maybe a glass case with expensive trinkets and pocket knives would. If they could charge $2 and then decrease to 25 transactions a day, it would take 3 months to pay off and a good business decision and the consumer gets an ATM machine.
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bankruptedbyharkin
03:01 PM on 05/19/2010
ATM fees ARE disclosed up front. Before you hit "yes" or "no" you have to read the screen that says the ATM charges a fee and how much that fee is. Senator Harkin must think Americans are stupid and don't know they're being charged or he's never used an ATM. Yet somehow he knows there's a $5 fee at a strip club. hmm.
03:38 PM on 05/19/2010
Agreed. When a person hits "yes" they agree to pay the fee, rather than act as a consumer and go elsewhere.
12:46 PM on 05/19/2010
To assume that everyone's bank's ATM's are nearby and easy to get to is foolish. The ones within walking distance from my home are not affiliated with my bank. The money you think I would save in driving to my bank, I lose in gas.
02:34 PM on 05/19/2010
Then choose a closer bank or plan ahead. It isn't that difficult. You pay for the convenience of using a close ATM.