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Rules Would CUT Federal Aid To For-Profit Colleges

ERIC GORSKI   05/20/10 06:10 PM ET   AP

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The federal government is expected to get tougher soon on the nation's booming for-profit colleges by proposing that aid be cut to programs if most of their students don't earn enough to repay their loans.

Consumer advocates say students and the taxpayers underwriting their educations must be protected from costly programs whose graduates end up with dead-end jobs or none at all. Career colleges and their backers, however, say the proposal would shutter job-training programs at a critical time while doing nothing to fix the debt problem.

The U.S. Department of Education is expected to issue new proposed regulations in the coming weeks, working off an earlier blueprint released in January.

For vocational programs of less than two years to qualify for aid, federal law already requires that they "prepare students for gainful employment in a recognized occupation." But how to make that determination has always been an open question.

In January, the Education Department suggested one answer: for a program to be eligible, a majority of its graduates' annual student loan payments under a 10-year repayment plan must be no more than 8 percent of the incomes of those in the lowest quarter of their respective professions. The earnings data would come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Programs that fall short could still remain eligible if they meet targets on completion and job placement rates.

The proposal comes at a sensitive time for the for-profit college sector, which has come under scrutiny for questionable recruiting tactics at some schools, high loan default rates, and low graduation and job placement rates.

For-profit schools are attracting large numbers of low-income students who bring federal Pell Grant dollars and other federal loans to local career colleges as well as giant chains like the University of Phoenix, DeVry and Kaplan.

A study in April by the College Board found that 53 percent of for-profit-college students finish with more than $30,500 in debt, compared to 12 percent of students at four-year public schools.

And for-profit students are much more likely than other students to default on student loans. According to federal data released in December, about 21 percent of for-profit-school students defaulted within three years on loans they began repaying in fiscal year 2007; the figure for all student borrowers was just 12 percent.

Supporters and opponents of the proposed regulations already are waging a fierce lobbying campaign. A public comment period opens after they are announced and the rules would be finalized by Nov. 1.

"We think it is a really good but modest proposal," said Pauline Abernathy, vice president of the Institute for College Access & Success.

But Harris Miller, president of an industry trade group, said the proposal is a "sledgehammer" that is trying to solve a problem that "does not exist."

Miller's group, the Career College Association, commissioned a study that estimates 2,000 programs and more than 300,000 students would be displaced by the regulations proposed earlier this year.

Miller said research also found that students in programs that would fail the department's proposed debt-to-income ratio tests have a lower loan default rate – almost 7 percent – than those in programs that don't fail the test – about 12 percent.

Sara Jones, a spokeswoman for Apollo Group, Inc., which runs the for-profit giant University of Phoenix, cautioned against policies that "could restrict educational access, limit career choice or unfairly disadvantage historically underserved student populations," among other things.

The for-profit sector has been lobbying Congress, including trying to persuade minority legislators that minority students would be harmed. For-profit college leaders are pushing for fuller financial disclosure to students as an alternative, but most observers anticipate something close to what the government already has proposed.

"If a student is seeking to gain nothing but a livelihood and your program doesn't purport to be anything but a vocational program, it seems fair to think of it in purely economic terms," said Barmak Nassirian, associate executive director of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers.

Stephen Burd, editor of Higher Ed Watch, a blog published by the New America Foundation, a nonprofit policy think tank, said dramatic steps are necessary because too many bad for-profit colleges have been raking in huge amounts of federal dollars while leaving students poorly trained and over their head in debt.

"The amazing thing to me is that their arguments are, 'We'll have to either lower our prices or cut programs that don't provide students with the training they need to get good jobs,'" Burd said. "It seems to me this would be a very good outcome for their students. But this is more about protecting their shareholders and bottom lines than their students."

The Education Department has tried to walk a fine line with for-profit colleges, highlighting their role in training workers and achieving the Obama administration's education goals while raising concerns about a few "bad actors."

Department officials have said the proposed regulations would help assure students that job-training programs and career colleges will lead to real jobs. A department spokesman declined to comment further this week.

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08:17 AM on 05/23/2010
Why are they showing a picture of Herb Kelleher and Colleen Barrett with this article? Herb is Founder & CEO Emeritus of Southwest Airlines and Colleen is President Emeritus of Southwest Airlines. ???
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03:45 AM on 05/22/2010
and what ad is at the bottom of this post, one for nutty right wing
Liberty University !
I think the one that had Glenn Beck give it's commencement speech
the other day. He breaks down crying of course to show,
or pretend, how much he loves the US and is disturbed
by American Liberals, who he claims are as
dangerous as Hitler or Stalin .......NUTS !
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02:20 AM on 05/22/2010
These phony or half-baked colleges for the most part could not
exist without students who get federal loans or grants too easily.

Call Congress and tell them to ONLY approve federal money
for QUALIFIED colleges or schools. It's YOUR MONEY
going down the drain !
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redsongia
is not Chicago
10:52 AM on 05/24/2010
Exactly. Not only to they siphon off federal aide money that is meant for educating young people, they convince young people they are getting an education when they most certainly aren't.
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05:12 PM on 05/24/2010
and then they owe lots of money for nothing, for wasting their time, NUTS !
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elan4444
02:00 AM on 05/22/2010
Just had to come back here and say one more thing. That is, that a university education is the most valuable thing you can take forward with you through life. Kids are supposed to go away to school, find knowledgeable professors, engage in dialogue, learn about the universe, the world, and find steadfast friends they can rely on for life. We need people graduating who are able to face challenges that involve global issues such as maintaining and encouraging peaceful coexistence with the world's countries, improving the state of health for all, and setting examples of a morally respectful life, so that all life will be valued, in every corner of the globe. And we need scientists who will not be afraid to speak out for the planet, in order that all the rest may transpire. Fly-by-night institutions that sap our national budget will never do this. If you can get into a college by plunking down a student loan application, someone is misleading you about the merit of their product. Just say NO WAY to these pretend schools.
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elan4444
01:41 AM on 05/22/2010
Phoenix gets 87% of its money from Federal student loans. Sucking it up, while many universities will not accept their units as transferable. What a scam! And the people they "serve" are those who really need a quality education, they are holding down a job so they can take online classes that fit their schedule, many times supporting a family. Please, REGULATE these parasitical wannabe real universities! They're NOT quality schools, they just want our money! Their executives make astronomical salaries, and their lobbyists are omnipresent in DC.
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tonyjim
12:22 AM on 05/22/2010
For Profit colleges take 25% of the FAFSA Financial Aid for only 10% of the students attending all colleges. And then to push these unsuspecting kids and adults into quick loans to pad the For-Profit's profit margin is disgraceful. They should absolutely not be allowed any Federal money. Tax payers are just footing the bill for a partial and, in what seems to be in many cases, little return in education or employment prospects while the student is on the hook for overpriced education that will leave them in debt for years.

What a scam.
JWoode
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10:00 PM on 05/21/2010
A for profit anything is a business.. hello
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07:45 PM on 05/21/2010
We certainly need to cut any money to these 4th rate so-called colleges
that are all over TV and the internet. I've read some comments by
"graduates" that say they are terrible, they are only in it
for the money, they are not respected in business
so it is of little help in getting a better job.

Federal or state money should only go to colleges that
are certified and constantly checked for quality.
In fact take the rest to court for fraud.
04:59 PM on 05/21/2010
I have taught math at two of these junk school. The goal is to pass everyone. To do that means totally dumbing down the course. When the math course is a prerequisite for another course then the student is going to have a tough time and lots of frustration. But then there are lots of counselors to cheer them up and keep them going. They all seem to graduate one way or another. But then I hear some companies will not even interview students from these schools. These schools are travesty.
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07:46 PM on 05/21/2010
totally agree, call Congress !
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09:30 PM on 05/21/2010
the travesty is the arrogance of the interviewers who would turn away someone without a look at competence and you for genralizing about an entire industry based on your experience and entirely subjective at that. Do you think it is any different at other institutions and if so why and what is your reasoning. I taught at one for a while at one of these guys and wish I could get a job at one now. You get people who want to learn and their time shcedules won;t permit them to attend arroganttaxpayer funded instutions whose professors value onlt
02:03 PM on 05/21/2010
I worked at a for-profit, 100% online university for several months. I'm currently unemployed. I resigned recently because my integrity was being severely compromised with incessant phone calls and high pressure sales tactics to "find the pain" of the student, get them to immediately apply and start class within weeks. Students would be approved for FAFSA financial aid within hours. Calling new leads 4-5 times a day and old ones once a day. 300-400 calls in an eight hours Punching individual phone numbers all day long for months. There were many days I spoke with no one because people stopped answering their phones. They were getting bombarded by EVERY online university for requesting college info online.The enrollment quotas DOUBLES after six months! There were near 1000 Enrollment Advisors- an ARMY of recruiters making a living from American Taxpayer Financial Aid money. Since day one of training the company motto was to "Drink the Kool-Aid". A very disturbing reference to the Jonestown Cult to believe in the corporate mentality, not ask questions and "change people's lives." I'm sure online schools have helped a few but the debt factor is exorbitant and unfair- especially with no job placement services. Students would be paying similar prices to Ivy League schools for a no guarantee "online" education. I don't know how these schools get accredited. Once State Colleges wholly implement the online format I think the for-profit sector will become extinct...we can only hope.
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07:28 PM on 05/21/2010
your armor of self-righteousness is frightening i wonder if will still be this arrogant when your mortgage comes due and you understand that n a competitive market your job is too sell. sorry for your introduction into real life
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07:48 PM on 05/21/2010
Hello122112 did the right thing. Integrity should not come with a price tag. In the end, working to get students into these fly by night schools is only making the job market worse for everyone overall because now they will graduate with degrees with little to no value in a market saturated by college graduates. They could have gone to a non profit technical school for a mere fraction of the cost, working in a competitive trade. For profits are a stain on education in this country and they deserve all the scorn that they get. The coursework is not rigorous, the schools are often unaccredited, and they intentionally target low income and minority students who statistically have a harder time of succeeding in college. I have literally seen job ads that specifically state that they will not hire a graduate from the University of Pheonix or DeVry. When employers are telling you that your school is crap, it is time to rethink your education.
08:35 PM on 05/21/2010
MY job is to be at peace with what I am selling. I was very excited to be working for this company until I found out about the company's shady tactics pummeling many into severe debt with a degree that could potentially worthless. You obviously would have drunk the Kool-Aid in Jonestown (or Nazi-Germany)...if it were your "job". I have a conscience. Welcome to your introduction to thinking people.
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Graywolf48
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01:05 PM on 05/21/2010
Personally I'm opposed to providing taxpayer dollars to subsidize any for profit college, university, trade school, religious school or grade school. There are plenty of quality public and private not for profit colleges and schools available that offer better educations and cost far less.
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All I ask..just be reasonable....do things my way
12:55 PM on 05/21/2010
Frontline did a show on this called College Inc.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/collegeinc/view/?utm_campaign=homepage&utm_medium=proglist&utm_source=proglist

They need to cut off funding for alot of these schools, they're scams.
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05:05 PM on 05/21/2010
That's an excellent, albeit infuriating, report. Caught it a few weeks ago and it made me really glad I'm at a not-for-profit school... not that I would ever go to a publicly-owned, for-profit school, of course!
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07:47 PM on 05/21/2010
Frontline, yet another great show from PBS.
The PBS web site is also great.
12:44 PM on 05/21/2010
These places are sleazy and prey on people who don't know any better. It is astounding that they have been found out. I guess Frontline has a bigger audience than I imagined.
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ShanniC
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12:36 PM on 05/21/2010
They should be ashamed for awarding worthless degrees that cost more than traditional schools to attain.
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01:10 PM on 05/21/2010
True, ShanniC.....I teach at one of them and recently resigned, for I could not tolerate the lack of standards and the low quality of students attending. In our medium-sized city, this for profit institution charges approximately ten times the tuition fees that a comparable community college expects students to pay. The degree is hardly worth that much money, given the types of students attending, who tend to be low income, loan or grant based attendees.

This is not to say that merely being a lower socio-economic student guarantees failure. It is just that many of the students, by their own admission, are attending to gather benefits over and above federal and state tuition, books, and fees funding. You can imagine what it is like to face a class of these disinterested folks....
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11:30 AM on 05/21/2010
Having watched the excellent Frontline episode on for-profit education, I understand that these places fill a niche, but they are heavily subsidized by US taxpayers. They account for about 20% of student loan money, and 50% of student loan defaults.

This indicates that they are overpriced, and that graduates are not making money when they leave to pay back their investment. If programs can't deliver on their promises to students, they have no business taking taxpayer money.
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07:48 PM on 05/21/2010
Good point about the high defaults. Call Congress!

Frontline and PBS, great ! Support public TV !!!
The first one was in Cincy about 1955.