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DADT Repeal Accelerates And Counter-Arguments Grow Increasingly Unhinged (VIDEO)


First Posted: 05/26/10 06:23 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:35 PM ET

Over the years, proponents of the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy have advanced all sorts of specious arguments about how allowing gays to enlist in the military would bring about certain doom for America. Gay soldiers would undermine unit cohesion, they'd reduce morale, they'd inspire their fellow soldiers to not save them from certain doom in foxholes, they'd make "Fleet Week" too stylish, and so on and so forth.

Of course, all of this ignored the simple facts that right now gays are known to be in the military and none of these things are happening at all. Instead, what's happening is: if a soldier's identity as a member of the gay community crosses some arbitrary threshold of awareness, suddenly that soldier can no longer sit in a room and translate Farsi. This is basically what military policy looks like when its governed by people with the maturity of tweens.

But now that a repeal of DADT seems to be accelerating, you can expect to hear some truly frantic, bonkers arguments. For example, we have the American Family Association's Bryan Fischer, who took to the radio to basically argue that there were gay Nazis, and LOOK HOW THAT TURNED OUT!


FISCHER: So Hitler himself was an active homosexual. And some people wonder, didn't the Germans, didn't the Nazis, persecute homosexuals? And it is true they did; they persecuted effeminate homosexuals. But Hitler recruited around him homosexuals to make up his Stormtroopers, they were his enforcers, they were his thugs. And Hitler discovered that he could not get straight soldiers to be savage and brutal and vicious enough to carry out his orders, but that homosexual solders basically had no limits and the savagery and brutality they were willing to inflict on whomever Hitler sent them after. So he surrounded himself, virtually all of the Stormtroopers, the Brownshirts, were male homosexuals.

Oh, but I'm sure that if it had been left up to all the heterosexual Nazis, the Third Reich would have been one long cuddle party!

Over at TPM, Zachary Roth provides the much-needed historical clarification:

There is very little hard evidence that Hitler himself was gay -- though a bevy of historians has examined the question. The iota of truth behind Fischer's view is that several leaders of the SA -- the tightly organized band of street brawlers hat helped Hitler rise to power -- were gay. That included Ernst Rohm, the unit's founder and leader. But after Hitler began to doubt the SA's loyalty, Rohm was arrested on the "Night of Long Knives" in 1934, and executed soon after. The SA subsequently took a backseat in the movement to Heinrich Himmler's SS, whose allegiance to the Fuhrer was unquestioned.

Elsewhere, Family Research Council Tony Perkins is convinced that letting gays and lesbians serve in the military (again, they are ALREADY SERVING) will lead to an increase in incidents of sexual assault in the military. As Alex Pareene points out: "Now, you may assume that the vast majority of cases of sexual assault in the armed forces is perpetrated by straight men against women. And your assumption would be completely, 100% correct."

RELATED:
Top Social Conservative: Hitler Used Gay Soldiers Because They Had 'No Limits' [TPM]
"Homosexuals" in the military will assault everyone, Christian right warns [Salon War Room]

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Over the years, proponents of the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy have advanced all sorts of specious arguments about how allowing gays to enlist in the military would bring about certain doo...
Over the years, proponents of the military's "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy have advanced all sorts of specious arguments about how allowing gays to enlist in the military would bring about certain doo...
 
 
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Arrech
NY, NY
12:56 PM on 06/02/2010
In other words, straights are too sissy for combat, when compared to gays.

Interesting
09:12 PM on 05/30/2010
You can't make up this BS. Natzis killed homosexuals along w/ anyone that did not fit into their master plan. They live in a shell.

and doesn't Gay Natzis sound like a british punk band??
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tom90069
06:18 PM on 05/28/2010
what's wrong with these people. gays are already serving; lots of us.
geez, louise why are these people so stupid
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MutherBear
I didn't know I HAD a micro-bio...
08:46 PM on 05/28/2010
When people are afraid of everything that isn't exactly like them, I guess they don't spend a whole lot of time learning about anything that isn't exactly like them. That's my theory, for what it's worth.
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Frank Brenner
04:06 PM on 05/28/2010
I'm confused, is this closeted, white haired gay man telling us gay people make better soldiers? Because last time I checked, savage brutality was an asset in the military. They yell, "kill, kill, kill" during bayonet training, not "maim, maim, maim."

And just because Hitler was a vegetarian, it doesn't mean he is gay. And some of the brownshirts were gay, but they were closet cases like George Rekers, not fabulous fashionistas like Isaac Mizrahi.
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juanjo
Plaudite, amici, comedia finita est.
03:32 PM on 05/28/2010
I can see Fischer's next video, "How to color coordinate curtains with concentration camp decor."
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CJWebber
I think we all love teachers.
01:37 PM on 05/28/2010
All this time I had been wrongly thinking Eva Braun, H!tler's longtime girlfriend and eventual wife, was female. I am so glad to have been set straight.

But gays are in the military now, just not openly. That must explain some of the actions of the troops. I suppose Lyndie England is gay.

So glad this brilliant man has cleared up these ongoing misconceptions.
05:04 PM on 05/27/2010
So wait, the argument is that gays shouldn't be soldiers because they're simply TOO BADASS?

This is the best one ever.
09:13 PM on 05/27/2010
No. Unfortunately, the argument is that gays are inhuman monsters with no moral boundaries and no ethical dilemmas... Willing to surpass all imaginable cruelty against innocent people for the whim of the "official" worst-person-to ever-grace-planet-earth, Hitler.

Its the "between the lines" hate that really jumps out of Fischer's word-vomit.
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juanjo
Plaudite, amici, comedia finita est.
03:30 PM on 05/28/2010
You mean Ollie North is gay?!!
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Scott Zwartz
02:31 PM on 05/27/2010
Closeted homosexuals, like Hitler, are very dangerous to society. Uncloseted homosexuals are very beneficial to society. From the evidence, it seems very likely that Hitler was a closet case. If Hitler had been out and had a nice Jewish boy friend, the world would have been saved a lot of grief. It was the world, however, which applied so much social pressure that millions of Gays remained in the closet even to themselves. Yoo hoo, Ted Haggart, George Reker

Those in the forefront of the repression of Gays are usually closet-cases. That is why they proclaim that being Gay is a choice. They deceive themselves into believing that if they do not have sex with a man, then they are Straight. Who else other than a closet-case cares about another man's sexual orientation?

As we Gays say, 'been there, done that." So many of us fell for the BS garbage about Gays are weak that we stayed in the closet -- but no forever. Now that we are out, we are very familiar with all the ploys and defense mechanisms which we used to deceive ourselves. Bryan Fischer lives in a glass house, but unfortunately for him, it has no mirrors.
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MsYellowDog
01:38 PM on 05/27/2010
All the American Taliban remembers "Springtime For Hitler" and thinks US military will start producing Broadway musicals instead of making war on brown people.
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TaylorSiluwe
09:25 AM on 05/28/2010
Agreed, Yellowdog ...

And its so farcically stupid that a military force where gays and lesbians serve must be weak and inclined to musical theater rather than war. When I last checked, Israel's armed forces (with their open gay service members) are pretty baddass.
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Bitsko
He of the smoldering eyes
01:17 AM on 05/27/2010
I agree with Gore Vidal that the word “homosexuality” is not a noun but a verb, and so is just plain bad usage of English. I was going to say comment on these winger religious and political extremists, but I just don't care about what they have to say. Their day in the sun is over.
01:28 AM on 05/27/2010
I'm interested in the grammar--in what way...oh...I think I kind of get it. Hmm...doesn't that take away from the emotional aspect though? I too am a Vidal fan, btw.
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Scott Zwartz
02:33 PM on 05/27/2010
Homosexual is a uni-dimensional word that ignores the most important part of being Gay. Gays can have sex with women, but that does not make them Straight.
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01:14 AM on 05/27/2010
The Constitution is a wonderful guideline for self-government by Christian people, but as soon as you allow non-Christians and liberals and socialists get their hands on it, they will try to use it to undermine the moral foundation of our society and that's what's been happening.
God is love.
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Merersu
Tempering the Rage through Revelation
01:48 AM on 05/27/2010
God is also suppose to be the only judge too, but you seemed to have usurped his position on that quite well. AND if you did your homework, you would see what the founding father's REALLY thought of religion. Here's a hint: they weren't fond of it at all!

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!" John Adams
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches!" Benjamin Franklin.

Judgmental "Christian" people like yourself, have totally corrupted what the constitution was really about. You've used your numbers and the blatant bastardization of your own religion to force the constitution into your idea of a moral foundation for society. What's really shameful is that you assume your morality is the superior one and that's not a very "Christian" way of thinking.
mollybeejay
"Can't we all just get along?" Rodney King
02:34 AM on 05/27/2010
Merersu, great post. Fanned.
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adrianrf
Another job-creating immigrant
04:28 AM on 05/27/2010
x2 fanned & faved. nice one, Merersu.
02:15 AM on 05/27/2010
I don't know if Godis is a Poe, but the Constitution's First Amendment prohibits an establishment of religion.
If we have no state religion, we have no state gods or goddesses.
That is atheism, in its purest sense.
So the United States was not a guideline for government by Christians but for government by atheists.
I love the Fourth of July, the atheist holiday!!!!!
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TaylorSiluwe
09:41 AM on 05/28/2010
If the Texas schoolboard has anything to say about it, GOD himself established America and guided Christians to its shores. The fact that the heathen natives were decimated in the most horrific of ways is but a footnote (and clearly perpetrated by minions of Satan).

The next generations of school children are extremists in the making.
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Matt Osborne
01:13 AM on 05/27/2010
During basic training, I saw two soldiers declare themselves gay to get out of the Army. Both of them were sent home in weeks. During the course of my career, I saw soldiers in desperate need of discharge for medical or compassionate reasons wait MONTHS for the papers to come through.
02:12 AM on 05/27/2010
If I remember correctly, I read that Jimi Hendrix was in the paratroopers in the early 1960s and pretended to be gay in order to get booted out. This was before DADT, of course, but ...
Let's here it for unofficial DADT. We got "Purple Haze" because of it!!!!!!!!
Jimi, not Eric, is Zeus!!!!!
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Jdaddy1951
01:05 AM on 05/27/2010
"... And some people wonder, didn't the Germans, didn't the Nazis, persecute homosexuals? ..."

Response: Gosh, didn't the Religious Right, didn't Focus on the Family, persecute homosexuals ... and didn't George Rekers used to work for Focus on the Family? And didn't George Rekers use a rent-a-gay-ho from RentBoy.com, or whatever the Internet brothel was?

Wonder how many closeted Rekerses are working for Family Research Council ...
mollybeejay
"Can't we all just get along?" Rodney King
02:35 AM on 05/27/2010
My guess would be around 85% with the other 15% being suspect.
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Jdaddy1951
07:56 AM on 05/27/2010
I don't know how many times I've seen some conservative religious man start off a rant with "I'm sick and tired of all this homosexuality being shoved down my throat!!"

Rather than speculate about how his comment could be some kind of Freudian slip, I always try to show acceptance and understanding and offer encouraging suggestions. For example:

"Well, sir, I understand the importance of diversity and how having the same thing shoved down your throat repeatedly could become routine and tiresome. Have you considered other alternatives, such as changing the location of the shoving?"
01:04 AM on 05/27/2010
Oh, c'mon. Stop using homosexuals for the ills of the world. Heterosexuals caused war and famine and slavery, baby. Own up to it, Bryan Freakhead.
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Bongborg
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01:00 AM on 05/27/2010
Now the Republicans argument will become condensed to "BECAUSE THEY ARE F@GG0TS!!!!!!!" delivered with a lot of spittle and volume. The funny thing is the odds of them choosing some closet case to deliver the message are rather high.