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Obama And Graham In Talks To Modify Miranda Law

First Posted: 05/26/10 11:14 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:35 PM ET

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The White House has been working with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to craft legislation that would restructure the amount of time interrogators can hold suspected terrorists domestically without reading them their Miranda rights.

On Tuesday, Graham told reporters that he has been in talks with the administration "for quite a while now" on a way to "statutorily codify the public safety provision" under the laws that govern the reading of Miranda. A White House aide confirmed to the Huffington Post that the talks have taken place.

The discussions have centered on essentially expanding and/or firmly configuring the window of time during which law enforcement can interrogate a suspect -- and admit the evidence -- without reading Miranda rights. Currently, the law holds that officials can do this for a limited time period, provided that it is determined to be in the public's safety.

The Obama administration has been pushing the law's limits, interrogating suspected terrorists such as Faisal Shahzad, the alleged Time Square bomber, for periods of time that legal observers say have been longer than those traditionally granted under the public safety exception. Spokesman Robert Gibbs acknowledged in early May that the president was "interested" in "limited flexibility" with respect to laws governing how and when to read Miranda rights. Obama's talks with Graham are the most telling example to date that the White House is intent on getting some legislation through Congress to give it legal and political buffer on this front.

"I think it is something we can do in a bipartisan fashion that would really give more flexibility to people in charge of gathering intelligence and fighting the war," Graham said.

There remain, however, honest legal questions as to what if anything Congress can do with respect to the structure of Miranda rights. When Attorney General Eric Holder first floated the idea that a bill be introduced to expand or modify the public safety exception, The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder said he "was either ignoring the obvious -- the exception is an artifact of a court decision -- or he was attempting to send some sort of a signal to Congress." Ambinder noted that attempts to change the law through legislation would likely end up hitting a brick wall: Dickerson v. U.S. already limits Congress's ability to alter the content and power of the Miranda warning (a constitutional right).

That said, even progressive Democrats on the Hill appear open to the idea of passing legislation that tinkers with Miranda.

"I think it is something that one could legislate because it is essentially a judge-made rule," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. "It is based on a constitutional doctrine that we can't tamper with. But I think that if the court were to evaluate its judge-made rule in light of a strong consensus from Congress, they may find that the law is actually consistent with the underlying constitutional principle and that the judge-made rule can... adapt to it."

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The White House has been working with Senator Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to craft legislation that would restructure the amount of time interrogators can hold suspected terrorists domestically without re...
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dbrett480
05:24 PM on 05/30/2010
This is not that big of a deal considering that the public safety exception can be used in a wide variety of circumstances from discovering where the suspect dropped the weapon (so a child will not find it) to when will a bomb detonate. The expansion will allow federal agencies to expand the scope to include future attacks by organized terrorist groups against US civilians. Not that much of a leap.
12:41 PM on 05/27/2010
I am troubled by the work of legislators and the executive branch to modify a process that would possibly result in individuals being held in police custody longer and generally broaden police powers, without taking the time to ensure the individuals in custody are aware of their rights (including their right to adequate legal representation). I understand this is all being done in the attempt to equip the police to better deal with “suspected terrorists”, however we live in a country that has traditionally emphasized the innocence of all individuals until proven guilty. Despite the difficulty that terrorism may present to a modern society, I would not vote for elected officials who would attempt to shift the rights and protections available to suspects (i.e. innocent people). This is not a little tweak, but a fundamental shift in who we are as a nation. I would hope that my President and AG Eric Holder, would not be supporting such efforts, but instead challenge law enforcement to develop more creative solutions within the existing civil liberties framework.
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sassafra
I yam what I yam and tha's all what I yam
03:38 AM on 05/27/2010
making over miranda hearkens back to the civil rights abuses of the bush administration.
what is obama thinking with all of this pandering to the worst tendencies of the gop? that he's the second coming of bush?
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SmolderingRuin
"All governments lie!" I.F. "Izzy" Stone
04:01 AM on 05/27/2010
He IS the second coming of bush.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
11:58 PM on 05/26/2010
Obama wins the right to detain people with no habeas review

Few issues highlight Barack Obama's extreme hypocrisy the way that Bagram does. One of Bush’s most extreme policies was abducting people from all over the world -- far away from any battlefield -- & then detaining them at Guantanamo with no legal rights of any kind, not even the most minimal right to a habeas review in a federal court.

The Bush DOJ -- in a lawsuit brought by Bagram detainees seeking habeas review of their detention -- contended that if they abduct someone & ship them to Guantanamo, then that person has the right to a habeas hearing, but if they instead ship them to Bagram, then the detainee has no rights of any kind. In other words, the detainee's Constitutional rights depends on where the Government decides to drop them off to be encaged.

One of the first acts undertaken by the Obama DOJ that actually shocked civil libertarians was when Obama lawyers told a federal judge that military detainees in Afghanistan have no legal right to challenge their imprisonment there, embracing a key argument of Bush’s legal team.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/21/bagram/index.html
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MJVs Common Sense
Lawyer, Intellectual, Author, Amateur Historian
10:10 PM on 05/26/2010
First of all, Neither congress nor the president have the power to make this decision because it is common law (judicial interpretation). Only the US Supreme Court or a constitutional amendment can override Miranda.

On a more political note, I'm insulted by this action by the President. Miranda has been a pillar of liberal philosophy for generations. There is absolutely no reason to change this law. US citizens (regardless of their crime) receive Miranda, period, end of discussion. I don't care if they were planning to nuke all of Manhattan, it is their right. If we start making "exceptions" now, what other rights will we be exempt from in the future.

Generations of men and women have fought to protect this right, and it has been validated by liberal and conservative courts alike. The fact that Obama would even talk about this is a betrayal of the first order. Obama is a con law professor and a smart politician. This is an unimaginably stupid position for him to take.
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Marcospinelli
an old liberal Democrat, a 'New Deal'-Democrat
12:02 AM on 05/27/2010
New target of rights erosions: U.S. citizens

A primary reason Bush and Cheney succeeded in their radical erosion of core liberties is because they focused their assault on non-citizens with foreign-sounding names, casting the appearance that none of what they were doing would ever affect the average American. There were several exceptions to that tactic -- the due-process-free imprisonment of Americans Yaser Hamdi and Jose Padilla, the abuse of the "material witness" statute to detain American Muslims, the eavesdropping on Americans' communications without warrants -- but the vast bulk of the abuses were aimed at non-citizens. That is now clearly changing.

The most recent liberty-abridging, Terrorism-justified controversies have focused on diluting the legal rights of American citizens (in part because the rights of non-citizens are largely gone already and there are none left to attack). A bipartisan group from Congress sponsors legislation to strip Americans of their citizenship based on Terrorism accusations. Barack Obama claims the right to assassinate Americans far from any battlefield and with no due process of any kind. The Obama administration begins covertly abandoning long-standing Miranda protections for American suspects by vastly expanding what had long been a very narrow "public safety" exception, and now Eric Holder explicitly advocates legislation to codify that erosion.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/05/13/citizens/index.html
Clevelandinwi
Progressive is good; regressive, not so much.
09:50 PM on 05/26/2010
Do not under any circumstances communicate with the racist linsiegrahamcrackers! He'll make you sorry for it (think joeyLIEberman and bennienielsen).
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grf67
09:47 PM on 05/26/2010
Then the lawyers in the republican party and those in the White House should both be in jail.
09:46 PM on 05/26/2010
Very disappointing news but hey nothing disappoints me from the guy I thought was a champion of the constitution these days.
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beartrack
Follow the track, find the bear ?
07:51 PM on 05/26/2010
This whole thing is just a bunch of lip service to the wing-nut right. No President, or Congress, can modify case law that has been "the law of the land" for a long time. Dump distraction.
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Rick Goodner
Loving Me Is A Dirty Job But Someone Has To Do It
09:05 PM on 05/26/2010
Congress can modify law but you are right this is a distraction just like the 1200 troops to the border... he should send the 1200 troops to arrest BP's CEO for the murder of 11 men and LA, Miss, AL, and FL
07:21 PM on 05/26/2010
Good luck with that Mr. President
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06:57 PM on 05/26/2010
I never heard of a Law that requires reading constitutional rights to a person. There was a supreme court decision per the Miranda case.
If you want to use a statement obtained by a custodial interrogation in court then the rights must be read, and understood.
What is the statute that requires this reading. ?
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Puller58
Man of Mystery
06:39 PM on 05/26/2010
Leave Carmen Miranda out of this!
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Rick Goodner
Loving Me Is A Dirty Job But Someone Has To Do It
09:09 PM on 05/26/2010
She's the queen of dance
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jcaunter
Profile: schizoid, INTJ
06:34 PM on 05/26/2010
Just imagine if FDR had turned out to be a carbon copy of Hoover.

Well, you don't have to imagine anymore; Obama is a carbon copy of Bush, and Bush was the second coming of Hoover. Congratulations America, you are swirling down the toilet bowl of history thanks to Obama.
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Dunkleberger Karl
Historian,Humanitarian,Hedonist.
09:55 PM on 05/26/2010
jcaunter; you are the cool-aid drinker of the day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!87
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alan2a
Actual Progressive
06:06 PM on 05/26/2010
How can anyone still support this disgusting lying right wing President??!!! He's at least as bad as Bush. At least Bush was clear about his politics and where he stood. We think he did many of the things he did because he was dumb as a rock. Will have to rethink it as Obama is worse. His policies are as bad and as disdainful of the law and the constitution, but his mealy mouthed rhetoric purports to be for Democratic principles and not crazy Republican ones. But it is a series of lies. He's as much a right crazy as any of the Republicans. Alter miranda, indefinite detention, Bagram, etc. etc. etc.
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jcaunter
Profile: schizoid, INTJ
06:36 PM on 05/26/2010
You aren't drinking enough Kool-Aid! Here, have another sip.
04:56 PM on 05/26/2010
Is there any issue that President Obama is NOT willing to sell out to the Republicans on?