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MATTHEW PENNINGTON   06/ 9/10 05:15 PM ET   AP

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KABUL, Afghanistan — Afghanistan's ousted intelligence chief told The Associated Press on Wednesday that President Hamid Karzai is pursuing a dangerous strategy in seeking peace with the Taliban because the insurgents are giving nothing in return.

Amrullah Saleh said the Taliban have only responded to Karzai's conciliatory approach with "violence, destruction and intimidation."

Hours later, an explosion in southern Afghanistan killed 39 people and wounded dozens. It followed the downing of a NATO helicopter by the Taliban, which killed four American servicemen.

Speaking at his heavily secured Kabul home, Saleh said he did not want "a small terrorist group to dominate the political scene in Afghanistan."

"I am in favor of peace but I am against bowing to the Taliban," he said.

He also voiced concern over the Afghan leader's plan to free militant prisoners without prior screening by the National Directorate of Security which he led for six years, acting as the key partner of the CIA.

Saleh and Interior Minister Hanif Atmar – who was in charge of police – resigned Sunday after Karzai held them responsible for failing to prevent a militant attack last week on a national conference, or jirga, on how to reach peace with insurgents. Both men were highly regarded by Western officials.

Saleh's comments reflect deep unease among former figures in the anti-Taliban Northern Alliance, who have long been allied to Karzai but oppose his efforts to negotiate with Taliban leaders. The Taliban have demanded that NATO and U.S. forces withdraw before any talks.

Nearly nine years after the Northern Alliance, backed by the U.S., forced the Taliban regime from power, the Islamist movement has bounced back. Violence is at record levels despite an increase in U.S. forces aimed at turning the war around.

The blast Wednesday night ripped through a wedding party in Kandahar province, killing 39 people and wounding more than 70, according to the provincial executive director Mohammad Annus. The cause was not known. "We don't know if it was a suicide attack, or a bombardment or something else," Annus said.

At least 17 U.S. service members have been killed in the past four days, including the four Americans who died Wednesday when insurgents in southern Helmand province's Sangin district – one of the most volatile in the country – shot down a NATO helicopter.

The Taliban claimed responsibility, with spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi saying militants hit the aircraft with two rockets.

NATO said the four died "after their helicopter was brought down by hostile fire." U.S. military spokesman Lt. Col. Joseph T. Breasseale confirmed they were Americans, but declined to give more details.

Also Wednesday, another NATO service member died in a homemade bomb attack. The Ministry of Defense in London said he was British.

A total of 29 NATO troops have been killed this month, including 10 on Monday alone – seven of them Americans. It was the deadliest day for the military alliance in seven months.

During the interview, Saleh described Pakistan as "enemy No. 1" for its alleged support of the Taliban and hosting of some of its leaders, including the movement's founder and supreme chief Mullah Mohammad Omar. Pakistan denies harboring militants and arrested the Taliban's No. 2 figure in Karachi earlier this year.

Saleh said Karzai shared this tough view of Pakistan but was now taking a "softer" approach as he tried to reconcile with the Taliban.

Analysts say the removal of Saleh and Interior Minister Atmar – two of Karzai's top three security officials – could cause upheaval in their agencies.

While Saleh maintained his resignation was not forced, he said the president's acceptance of it "was not a surprise."

Saleh said Karzai had "pushed aside and did not pay attention to" information presented to him about security measures surrounding last week's jirga in Kabul.

"Professionally, that was an insult to us," Saleh said.

None of the jirga's 1,500 delegates – including lawmakers, tribal and provincial chiefs – was hurt in the assault. The two attackers were killed in a gunbattle with security forces about a mile from the venue, and those behind the attack – allegedly members of the Pakistan-based Haqqani network – were arrested.

In Pakistan on Wednesday, militants attacked dozens of trucks ferrying vehicles for NATO troops in Afghanistan. The bold assault near the capital, Islamabad, killed seven people and illustrated the vulnerability of a crucial U.S. military supply line.

The U.S. Embassy said about 30 trucks were damaged after they were set on fire on the main road leading to the Afghan border, about six miles (10 kilometers) from the capital. Many of the containers held military vehicles such as Humvees.

Keeping up a steady flow of supplies is crucial for NATO as it readies a major operation in the Taliban's heartland in Kandahar province – which lies next to Helmand, where the helicopter was shot down.

The operation is a key plank of the military strategy behind President Barack Obama's effort to end the Afghan war. Last December he ordered some 30,000 more U.S. troops to the country, and he wants to start bringing them home in July 2011.

Also key to that strategy is the effort to negotiate with the Taliban – a goal pushed by Karzai with increasing vigor since his re-election last year – although the U.S. is skeptical whether peace can succeed unless the Taliban are first weakened on the battlefield.

Karzai won endorsement from the jirga for his plan to offer incentives to the militants to lay down their arms and to seek talks with the Taliban leadership.

Saleh, who fought the Taliban regime with the Northern Alliance before its ouster in late 2001, voiced deep skepticism over the jirga, and said his relations with Karzai had been strained for several months.

"I have all along been advocating for a tougher stand against the criminals and the Taliban and demanding firmer justice," he said.

Asked if Karzai's reconciliation strategy was dangerous for the country, he said: "This one-sided peace? Yes."

He said it would cause "ambiguity and confusion in the government."

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Associated Press writers Amir Shah, Rohan Sullivan and Rahim Faiez in Kabul, Mirwais Khan in Kandahar and Bahauddin Khan in Sangjani, Pakistan, contributed to this report.

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06:39 AM on 06/11/2010
Capitalism at its finest: expand and maintain markets.
01:50 AM on 06/10/2010
I think its time we (the Brits) left Afghanistan. Its not our problem. American never supports us, and shows no sign of changing - why are we there?

Its time to leave Obama to his drone attacks on wedding parties, we should have nothing to do with this mess.

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01:44 AM on 06/10/2010
Remember the good old days when we gave the Afghans Stinger missiles to shoot down Russian helicopters? Lordy lordy how times change.
12:30 AM on 06/10/2010
This is very bad for our brave troops. If the Afghanistan rebels get the ability to shoot down helicopters many of our guys will die. This is why the Russians left.
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Ishmael1
Step aside, Shallow Water, & Let the Deep Sea Roll
11:39 PM on 06/09/2010
Rudyard Kipling Ford O' Kabul River:

http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/ford-o-kabul-river/
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terry63
08:39 PM on 06/09/2010
If Karzai is cutting deals with the enemy, then he is undermining our troops, or is this a much bigger strategie, by us. Either way it will only result in the loss of his head and many dead Marines for us. Ive been deployed there, These people dont think like you and I, They will see this as a weakness, and exploit it, just as they will exploit our new rules of engagement, They smell Victory
They look across the ocean at a country that is building a 10 story Mosque near the sight where their Al Qaeda, freinds brought America to her knees.And they see victory, Wouldnt you,
? Wouldnt this inspire you to fight harder. It sure would me. Bring them Home,, Bring them Home Now, we are not serious about this conflict, we are just wasting our Childrens lives.
08:06 PM on 06/09/2010
Would someone in the Gulf states please post this message on a cross and plant it in the sand on a beach with all the other signs about lost fish and birds for Obama to see when he visits this week? He is neglecting our troops!!

"17 Americans killed in the past four days in Afghanistan."
09:11 PM on 06/09/2010
By my count, 23 now. Thanks for careing.
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General Armchair
What, me worry?
06:48 AM on 06/10/2010
June 6: 4 US (1 Hostile - small arms, 3 Non-hostile) 1 Canadian (Hostile - IED)
June 7: 7 US (6 Hostile - IED, 1 Hostile - small arms), 1 France (Hostile - rocket fire), 2 Australian (Hostile - IED)
June 8: 2 US (Hostile - IED), 1 UK (Hostile - small arms)
June 9: 4 US (Hostile - helicopter crash), 1 UK (Hostile - IED)

23 Coalition deaths: 17 Americans, 2 UK, 1 Canadian, 1 France, 2 Australian
07:53 PM on 06/09/2010
My condolences to the families of these brave, American soldiers and their families and friends.
07:44 PM on 06/09/2010
How many more people have to die before American "leaders" figure out that this cannot be won?
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terry63
09:39 PM on 06/09/2010
Oh yes, just as Vietnam could have been won, so can this, But you have got to be willing to do what it takes, In vietnam we werent fighting to win , We were fighting a defensive conflict, to prop up a government who everyone knew wouldnt stand on its own, Dropping 100,000 dollar bombs on grass huts, our rules of engagement kept us out of Hanoi, Guess where the enemy kept his supply, we had a narrow corridor to fly in and out of country, Guess where the enemy put his anti aircraft. We were Much stronger than the enemy , For instance, we had a forward fire base at Khe Sahn, The enemy attacked it with all they had, 40,000,000 men, artillery, Mortors etc. against 5000 marines who dug in, and repelled the enemy The Cong lost thousands of men, Most of their artillery, and retreated into the jungle where they were Pounded by Air strikes, At the same time they were repelled from Saigon, all this during TET. Oh yes we could have had Vietnam any time we wanted it. Just as today, But we are not serious, they know it, and so did the Viet Cong.
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terry63
10:18 PM on 06/09/2010
Cont. They know that all they have to do is wait us out, as our public starts turning aganst its government as they see their children wasted . And for the treasury to bankrupt its self, If we were going to do something we already would have, we clean one province then announce to the world that we will clear another six months from now, the enemy simply leaves that area till were gone and then returns. Im sure that somewhere Gen. George Patton is rolling over in his grave right about now.
10:49 PM on 06/09/2010
Why would we have wanted Vietnam in the first place have you ever asked yourself that or do we fight wars just for sport? The Vietnamese seem to be doing just fine on there own now. If we had been born in Vietnam we would have fought the US and French invaders as well.
02:25 PM on 06/09/2010
For Pakistan, the primary interest is to gain Geostrategic depth through political influence in Afghanistan - and to deny to Iran the exercise of such influence in Afghanistan and Tajikistan - and to benefit eventually from any pipeline construction linking Central Asia with the Arabian Sea." (p.139)

"Turkmenistan... has been actively exploring the construction of a new pipeline through Afghanistan and Pakistan to the Arabian Sea..." (p.145)

"It follows that America's primary interest is to help ensure that no single power comes to control this geopolitical space and that the global community has unhindered financial and economic access to it." (p148)



Z. Bzezinski


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01:37 PM on 06/09/2010
President Obushma just took more American lives with the pursuit of his military adventure in Afghanistan. Mr. President, the world already got the memo... yes, you too Sir, are tough! Can we end this blood lust now?
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Enroh Mot
Veritas Lux Mea
01:44 PM on 06/09/2010
Fanned for Obushma, it's replaced Obomba.
07:45 PM on 06/09/2010
Exactly!
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Albert Amato
01:26 PM on 06/09/2010
Time to bring out the laser guided "Daisy Cutters", guys.......and some more Predator drones.
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Enroh Mot
Veritas Lux Mea
01:40 PM on 06/09/2010
How about Napalm, it was very effective in Vietnam !
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Albert Amato
01:42 PM on 06/09/2010
Not quite as precise.
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LogicalMathMan
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12:38 PM on 06/09/2010
So, who wants to bet that most western nations with the UN in Afghanistan will withdraw their troops by the end of this year?
12:08 PM on 06/09/2010
Saving the girls' schools is worth every life isn't it??????

Well, there are a few other karmic benefits to assuring education for women too

The AfPak chapter of Obama's new OCO ("Overseas Contingency Operations"), formerly GWOT ("global war on terror") does not imply only a surge in the Pashtun Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA). A surge in Balochistan as well may be virtually inevitable.

Balochistan is totally under the radar of Western corporate media. An immense desert comprising almost 48% of Pakistan's area, rich in uranium and copper, potentially very rich in oil, and producing more than one-third of Pakistan's natural gas, it accounts for less than 4% of Pakistan's 173 million citizens. Balochs are the majority, followed by Pashtuns. Strategically, Balochistan is mouth-watering: east of Iran, south of Afghanistan, and boasting three Arabian sea ports, including Gwadar, practically at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz.

Gwadar - a port built by China - is the absolute key. It is the essential node in the crucial, ongoing, and still virtual Pipelineistan war between IPI and TAPI. IPI is the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline, also known as the "peace pipeline", which is planned to cross from Iranian to Pakistani Balochistan - an anathema to Washington. TAPI is the perennially troubled, US-backed Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline, which is planned to cross western Afghanistan via Herat and branch out to Kandahar and Gwadar.

Washington's dream scenario is Gwadar as the new Dubai
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KE09Df03.html
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General Armchair
What, me worry?
01:21 PM on 06/09/2010
Any idea where and/or how Nimruz province in Afghanistan would fit in with this? I believe as part of the "surge" we have put as many as two battalions (?) there this year, despite it being I believe the least populous province in Afghanistan (it's a fairly large swath of territory to the west of Helmand province).
12:03 PM on 06/09/2010
Taliban? What Taliban?

Bush: “Our first objective in the first theater against the war against terror has been achieved: The Taliban are out of business.” [2/4/02]

Bush: “Because of American soldiers and our brave allies and friends, who have fought beside them, the Taliban is out of business.” [3/15/02]

Bush: “Now thanks to the United States and our fine allies, Afghanistan is no longer a haven for terror, the Taliban is history, and the Afghan people are free.” [8/14/03]

Bush: “Working with a fine coalition, our military went to Afghanistan, destroyed the training camps of Al Qaida, and put the Taliban out of business forever.” [11/24/03]

Bush: “Today, Afghanistan is a world away from the nightmare of the Taliban.” [7/12/04]

"As a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence."
G. W. Bush, 9/27/04
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LogicalMathMan
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12:39 PM on 06/09/2010
Let's not just blame Bush now...The SCOTUS is not doing too well especially with drone attacks in a sovereign nation that kill innocent people due to 'faulty information'
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12:41 PM on 06/09/2010
Great job, thanks for compiling those statements. It might not stop a war but help expose the war administration.