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Lindsey Graham, Dems' Best Hope For Fighting Climate Change, Is Skeptical Of Science

First Posted: 06/09/10 07:15 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:45 PM ET

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Lucia Graves contributed to this report.

How close is the Senate to a bipartisan climate deal? Here's the Democrats' best hope for compromise -- Lindsey Graham, at a press conference today: "The science about global warming has changed... I think the science is in question... I think they've oversold the stuff."

Lindsey Graham's climate change odyssey continued on Wednesday, as the fickle South Carolina Republican signed on to an energy bill a day after saying that no energy bill could get 60 votes in the Senate and raised more than a few eyebrows by calling the reality of climate change into question.

Reporter's response: So if carbon emissions aren't warming the planet, why do you think they're a problem? "There's a reason I don't hang out in traffic jams," replied Graham. "It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the stuff floating around in the Gulf doesn't get better for you when you burn it. If you don't want to go swimming in that stuff, why would you want to breathe it?"

Asked about the contradiction of backing a new energy bill after saying no bill can pass, Graham was unapologetic. "I didn't say this one," said Graham at a press conference with the bill's sponsor, Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.).

Graham only heard the details of the bill late Tuesday night. "I didn't think I'd be here today," he said.

An effort organized by Sens. John Kerry (D-Mass.), Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Graham finally collapsed Tuesday when Graham said he'd vote against it, making his appearance at Lugar's press briefing that much more striking.

Graham said his fundamental problem with Kerry and Lieberman's approach is that it removed much of the offshore drilling expansion. He said he fully understood the political necessity of doing so in the midst of a spill. "It's made the construct we've created much harder to sell," said Graham in an understatement. "It'd be very hard for Lindsey Graham to go back to South Carolina and say, 'Let's expand offshore drilling," said Graham.

Therefore, he reasoned, he didn't want a climate change vote "at a time when I can not get a vote on rational policy." By "rational policy," he was referring to expanded offshore drilling.

Lugar's approach, said Graham, is a good step forward because it works to reduce carbon emissions without getting into the thorny issue of cap-and-trade or offshore drilling.

Instead, Lugar's bill focuses on cutting foreign oil dependence mostly through vehicle fuel efficiency programs that extend current federal standards but with various waiver options. Long-term, predictable increases in fuel efficiency standards, Lugar says, will encourage innovative technologies and lead to American job growth.

The bill calls for expanding nuclear power by increasing federal loan guarantees, retiring aging coal plants that don't comply with environmental regulations, and requiring federal buildings to exceed national standards when possible, thereby increasing taxpayer savings. It calls for a 30 percent reduction in carbon emissions by 2030.

But post press conference, it was Graham's absurd stance on global warming that drew questions. Graham fired back a few of his own: "Does climate change have to be a religion? No, it's not my religion. It is my concern."

"I do buy into the idea that carbon emissions are not good for the planet as a whole," he conceded, "but they're not going to get 60 votes to save the polar bears."

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Lucia Graves contributed to this report. How close is the Senate to a bipartisan climate deal? Here's the Democrats' best hope for compromise -- Lindsey Graham, at a press conference today: "The scie...
Lucia Graves contributed to this report. How close is the Senate to a bipartisan climate deal? Here's the Democrats' best hope for compromise -- Lindsey Graham, at a press conference today: "The scie...
 
 
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FranklinCat
18 claws & 3½ fangs
02:07 AM on 06/18/2010
He's not skeptical of the science. He's a GD political coward!
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T4
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10:26 AM on 06/16/2010
Is a the planet undergoing a generic climate change - yes - massive ice melts, etc. no question - go to alaska all you logic guys and take a look. But that doesn;t mean that any man made action now will stop anything or have any correlation to the events now happening. Yes CO2 levels have gone up as they have numerous times in the past. Are they going up faster because of human ingenutiy tha hasn;t existed before - yes. CFCs destroyed the ozone layer and they will never disapate and yet we live. This does not mean that any action we do will have any effect on the current natural changes happening in the climate. It makes no sense and the science is clear - the proposed laws make no sense. If you want to talk localairpollution - no problem but if you to go off and talk about changing the world through a US law - go away,
10:10 PM on 06/14/2010
Anyone taking an introductory course in "logic" will immediate see that the idea that global warming is caused by CO2 emissions is based on false logic. It goes something like this. "If it rains, the road will get wet." One sees wet roads and concludes it rained. The only logical conclusion is, the roads are not wet, therefore it didn't rain. Let's try this with global warming. "If CO2 levels in the atmosphere go up, global temperature will go up. One sees global temperature increase and concludes is it caused by increased CO2 levels. Not logical! The only logical statement is: global temperature has not gone up, therefore CO2 levels have not increased. So we ask, is it possible to not have the global temperature increase and have CO2 levels in the atmosphere increase. Absolutely! Earth's history shows that there have been periods when global temperature was exactly the same as today (i.e., global temperature has not increased) and CO2 levels in the atmosphere at that time were as high as 4000 ppm. Consequently, the correlation between CO2 levels and global temperature does not exist. Too much for your brains? Its all explained in "Global Warming for Dim Wits: A Scientist's Perspective of Climate Change." You can get it on Amazon.
02:37 PM on 06/15/2010
Yikes. I'm perhaps more worried about your reasoning than the reasoning you purport as absurd. Your argument suggests climate science is in a state of infancy where a simple correlation between recent CO2 trends and temperature trends has been found and has been used to assert the smoking gun relationship. If that was all there was to climate science, I'd argue your argument has some validity. Then again, I'd worry about your neglect of the possibility that there is a relationship. The fact of the matter is, climate science is far more advanced than that. While no conclusive logical argument has been solved, there is strong scientific evidence that much of the observed warming has a significant contribution by manmade greenhouse gases. While it is true that CO2, methane, H2O are greenhouse gases that allow life to exist on earth, it is not sufficient to prove the anthropogenic climate change hypothesis true. But we see that using the realistic radiative forcing we can derive from sound radiation theory on the earth's energy budget that it is reasonable to expect warming on par with what we are observing. The real question remains in the complex feedbacks that are contained within the clouds, the sea, and the land. Those aspects can make this a challenge and they are the cornerstones of more reasonable skeptical arguments of climate modeling, but to deny the likelihood that greenhouse gases heat the atmosphere is truly absurd.
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lbsaltzman
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08:32 AM on 06/17/2010
You are trying to use pure logic, but ignore the data. You may think what you are saying is logical, but scientifically it is nonsense.
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Richard2
10:20 PM on 06/13/2010
The headline of this article is misleading. It implies that Graham is skeptical of science. He isn't. He is skeptical of so-called climate science. It has become obvious that the IPCC is not an objective source of scientific info. It is also obvious from the CRU e-mails that the main climate scientists involved with the IPCC were not doing objective science. Instead, they were doing "tricks to hide the decline" and other unethical actions.

It is encouraging the Senator Graham has become skeptical of climate science. Why are Democratic senators largely ignoring all the obvious signs that climate science is not normal, respectable science?
02:41 PM on 06/15/2010
I suggest studying climate science more carefully before concluding so much about climate science.
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lbsaltzman
Permaculture and Sustainability
08:40 AM on 06/17/2010
They fail to explain what is not "normal or respectable" about climate scientists. What you say makes no sense when you read the literature. Climate scientists are excellent scientists who hav solved an enormously important problem. If you do some reading at www.realclimate.org you will get a sorely needed education.
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Overtone
See bio on the Aesop Institute website
09:43 AM on 06/10/2010
WHAT MIGHT BE DONE!

The Gulf gusher may have triggered a global cataclysm.

See Life Threatening Danger and Ticking Time Bomb at http://www.aesopinstitute.org

This appears to have the potential to become a worldwide emergency equivalent to global war.

If these facts are confirmed, President Obama would be wise to outline a gutsy program that, if there is still time, might avoid a tipping point and the resulting loss of untold millions of lives.

Although little known and less believed, it is possible to supersede fossil fuels faster than might be imagined. A revolution in energy is being born.

See Moving Beyond Oil and Running on Water on the same Aesop Institute website.

BlackLight Power is working with National laboratories and others to validate fractional Hydrogen. This allows a barrel of water to equal 200 barrels of oil. They state prototype generators will be demonstrated this year, which might end dismissal and ridicule from scientists. blacklightpower.com

Water as fuel for hybrid cars results from successful research at a distinguished laboratory 30 years ago. An engine achieved 70% efficiency, an all-time record. We believe they unknowingly produced fractional Hydrogen.

Magnetic generators and room temperature Ultraconductors are also moving toward production. They promise to supersede batteries, the Achilles heel of the electric car.

On a wartime footing, these and similar breakthroughs would be developed and produced on a 24/7 basis. That can be done with accelerated support.

The economic impact and job creation potential would be monumental.
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speakingtruth2power
Not motivated by fear & loathing
09:14 AM on 06/10/2010
Did the GOP leadership threaten to tell the world about some of Lindsey's fault's?

GHWB and then D^rth Cheney certainly ruled that way and their "Secrets Book"

was handed down to them by J. Edgar Hoover who had some secrets of his own.

Bribe them, compromise them and involve them in some sinful and illegal activity is

the way these big thugs keep the little ones in line. It's how the GOP stays together.
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
09:07 AM on 06/10/2010
Federal Government authorizes oil flare to burn off oil at the site.
Let's put it in the air and the gulf.
Does Algore get to broker carbon credits for this one?
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Dangerous Dan
Because I can!
09:00 AM on 06/10/2010
Joe Wilson for Junior SC Senator.
08:54 AM on 06/10/2010
I think someone has made Graham a deal he can't refuse. So much human putty so little time. He's turning to be just like his good friend, "I'm no maverick," McCain.
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speakingtruth2power
Not motivated by fear & loathing
09:16 AM on 06/10/2010
There is not an honest and brave man among them.
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mszimmie
08:45 AM on 06/10/2010
Waffler.
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cnart
08:45 AM on 06/10/2010
His conversion has nothing to do with the science but rather his need to appeal to the seventeenth and eighteenth century minds of the gop party leaders. Next month he will announce his decision to support those gop and tea baggers who are pushing for the rebirth of the flat earth theory. He is a prime example of the sickening quality of many of those in the senate and house.
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Dawg100
08:42 AM on 06/10/2010
If the advocates of Global Warming are so sure that the science backs them up it would help their cause if they insisted that the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University released all their raw temperature data and computer codes, and that they insisted that NASA comply with the FOIA by also releasing all their raw temperature data (not just the summaries). Let everyone have access to the temperature data. What have they got to hide?

(I know, they don't need to release the temperature data because "the science is settled.")
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Gebby
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08:48 AM on 06/10/2010
why should everyone have access? not everyone are scientists. the scientists have agreed. it is not for everyone to agree. why do only republicans doubt global warming? besides they are not scientists. is it because they dont believe in science? connect the dots. lindsay graham doubts now? well he is not qualified then to be a senator.
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Dawg100
08:58 AM on 06/10/2010
Who cares if we are not all scientist. There are enough non-biased scientist that can decipher the data and report the facts...
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LauraNo
08:58 AM on 06/10/2010
They want every bit of data so they can find something to misrepresent as proving their point.
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02:47 PM on 06/10/2010
They did.
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
08:11 PM on 06/13/2010
True, and known for six months. It's long past time to start treating the lies that Dawg100 just parroted as fraud and defamation. That's exactly what it really is.

http://www.uea.ac.uk/mac/comm/media/press/2009/nov/CRUupdate
Tue, 24 Nov 2009

Over 95% of the CRU climate data set concerning land surface temperatures has been accessible to climate researchers, sceptics and the public for several years the University of East Anglia has confirmed.

“It is well known within the scientific community and particularly those who are sceptical of climate change that over 95% of the raw station data has been accessible through the Global Historical Climatology Network for several years. We are quite clearly not hiding information which seems to be the speculation on some blogs and by some media commentators,” commented the University’s Pro-Vice-Chancellor, Research Enterprise and Engagement Professor Trevor Davies.

The University will make all the data accessible as soon as they are released from a range of non-publication agreements...

The procedure for releasing these data, which are mainly owned by National Meteorological Services (NMSs) around the globe, is by direct contact between the permanent representatives of NMSs (in the UK the Met Office).

“... some countries may refuse permission due to the economic value of the data,” continued Professor Davies.

The remaining data, to be published when permissions are given, generally cover areas of the world where there are fewer data collection stations.
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Guscat
08:40 AM on 06/10/2010
Graham is beginning to worry about reelection. DeMint and the Teabaggers are beginning to scare him.
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speakingtruth2power
Not motivated by fear & loathing
09:18 AM on 06/10/2010
No bushit Sherlock but it is part of a long history of how the GOP sticks together.
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missgramma2005
08:23 AM on 06/10/2010
Aw c'mone Lyndsey. One of a very minute few Republicans I like for some reason.
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chrisd3
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09:25 AM on 06/10/2010
Hey, it's a good thing you didn't mention that your link results in a graph of the sea level change for a single point on the Earth's surface. Your point would've been ruined if you'd directed people to the global sea level graph located on the home page of the same site.

http://sealevel.colorado.edu/
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09:29 AM on 06/10/2010
omg!!!

you get an assist on that play chrisd3..