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Merchants Worried Swipe Fee Deal In Jeopardy

First Posted: 06/23/10 03:36 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:50 PM ET

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The battle over swipe fees is not over yet -- despite a deal that had been reached. Lobbyists for merchants battling Wall Street over the fees charged to use credit card machines are worried that a rearguard action is being mounted by Reps. Dennis Moore (D-Kan.) and Gary Peters (D-Mich.). Moore is a leading member of the New Democrat coalition, a group of generally Wall Street-friendly Democrats.

"I've been talking to Gary Peters and Dennis Moore about reinforcing the discrimination piece," Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) told HuffPost Wednesday afternoon. "There may be some further language reinforcing the provision that you can't have discrimination against the smaller banks. That is from the credit unions. One of the major concerns they have is that even though the bill says they can't be discriminated against, that they will be, and we want to toughen up the language that protects the smaller institutions."

The strength of the legislation will depend on the details of the changes being made. The credit unions, say representatives of the merchants, are trying to change the definition of "cost" in the bill in order to increase the fees that can be charged. If the commission setting the rates can consider broad costs, rather than costs directly associating with the cost of running the credit card network, then the allowable fees that banks can charge may be higher.

While Moore and Peters are working on behalf of credit unions, merchant lobbyists say that the credit unions are working on behalf of Visa, which is currently circulating proposed changes to the legislation, which were obtained by HuffPost:

VISA LANGUAGE - AMEND COST, EXCLUSIVITY AND ROUTING LANGUAGE

(A) AMEND COST LANGUAGE

Option 1 - Strike "incremental" at page 31, line 2

Section 920(a)(4)(B)(i): The current cost language is too narrow. The language limits the consideration of costs to "incremental" costs for particular transactions. Although the statute provides for consideration of costs for fraud, it excludes all other costs necessary to provide a debit transaction. Striking the words "incremental" would allow the Board to more broadly assess the costs related to debit transactions and provide more discretion to set standards that more appropriately price debit interchange.

Option 2 - Insert at page 31, line 13, "(C) Such other considerations as the Board deems appropriate" and renumber current section 920(a)(4)(C) as 920(a)(4)(D):

Section 920(a)(4): The current considerations language for the Board is very limited and narrowly prescribes the Board's discretion in considering cost considerations to only "incremental" costs and those related to fraud. Adding this section will provide the Board with discretion to account for other considerations they deem necessary in setting valid standards for assessing interchange fees.

(B) AMEND SECTIONS RELATED TO ROUTING AND EXCLUSIVITY

Strike at both pages 40, line 7 and page 41 line 1, "an issuer or" and replace with "a"

Section 920(b)(1): The new sections relating to Exclusivity and Routing creates significant new issues, in three ways.

First, the new language now makes the intended small issuer exemption impractical for any network to implement. The legislation would require that issuers participate in multiple/all networks and that merchants are free to choose the lowest cost network. As such, any network that implements a higher interchange rate for small issuers would see all volume at those small issuers routed to another network by the merchant. Thus, networks are incented to provide the lowest interchange rate to small issuers to gain the merchant preference in routing.

Second, the effect of these words would also restrict networks from competing for issuer business based on superior feature functionality - including processing service and quality, risk management and fraud controls, and consumer protections (e.g., zero liability). This is because issuers are unable to choose between networks. This would stifle innovation in networks to develop new services to compete for consumers, issuers and merchants, instead driving networks to be the lowest cost provider. Issuers should be free to use competition between networks to get the best possible terms and should not be required to offer all networks.

By limiting these sections to payment networks only, the legislation will still prevent the networks from having other rules or practices that require exclusivity, but free the issuers to provide the best services for the best price.

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10:51 PM on 06/23/2010
Hurry up socialists! You're going to lose the House this November for sure, and that will render your Senate and White House both lame for the following two years.

Credit card issuers have the right to charge whatever they want. If you don't like it, you don't HAVE to have a credit card, or accept it at your business (who are we kidding? None of you own a business). What's so hard to understand about that?
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ddemos
my micro-bio is none of your business
11:17 PM on 06/23/2010
The Drudgereport called...they actually miss you there...they actually think you may be relevant...sorry no one here does...
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02:26 AM on 06/25/2010
They're already lame. You people are so nuts, you make Nixon look like a socialist. Dog eat dog, survival of the fittest - I hope you get yours.
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09:06 PM on 06/23/2010
Until there is campaign financing reform, and given today's climate that looks highly unlikely, we'll be dealing with a bunch of _whores who are the slaves to the PACs and corporations that bankroll their elections. Congressmen begin soliciting the day they're sworn in, held hostage by the need for money.

Given that, is it any surprise ANYTHING that benefits the average Joe EVER gets done?
10:00 PM on 06/23/2010
Long before they are sworn in. And it will never change, because a law would have to be passed by the exact people it would hamper. So no use even talking about it.
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10:06 PM on 06/23/2010
Well they have absolutely destroyed democracy. They have us thinking that we are in a democracy.........they would never go on the cameras and say......hey guess what has happened............we live under a fascist corporatist mob rule. Bankers have been globe trotting consolidating powers. They have created Earth Inc. and use all kinds of psychological ops on "governing" nations.
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06:54 PM on 06/23/2010
Why do they bother? The legislation they pass is worse then the problems they are trying to solve. It's pathetic and is causing the american people to lose complete confidence in gov't. If they can get anything useful done with a majority in both the house and senate and the white house, they don't deserve to collect a paycheck
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06:13 PM on 06/23/2010
If history is any indication, our bought-and-paid for "elected" politicians will be moved to water down this legislation by their lobbyist "friends".

We'll end up with legislation that trims 1/100th of a percent off of the current fees.....THEN these hypocrits will generally tout their contribution to this groundbreaking effort.

What a magic show legislating has become. You think something big happened when in reality it's all a slight of hand.
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PharmaCan
Trying to make sense of it all
05:38 PM on 06/23/2010
No wonder our laws are so screwed for the public and so skewed for elite, one needs an army of analysts just to understand this garbage. Congress doesn't have the analytic power to understand what the laws mean, even if they read them, only the big corporations do.

There should be a major undertaking to re-write all of the federal laws in plain language that people can understand. Not this line by line referencing to other lines and subsections but a complete rewriting in plain language.

It's no wonder there are so many loopholes in any legislation that is passed!
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06:15 PM on 06/23/2010
AND how about this...require that every bill that comes up for vote addresses ONE AND ONLY ONE core issue, thereby limiting all of the pork and special interest items that without fail always get tacked on
06:24 PM on 06/23/2010
Bravo...and so simple that it will never happen...lol
Why hold up the unemployment issue because of the military money...so wrong..

No budget yet either...why...we have no money.
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PharmaCan
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07:19 PM on 06/23/2010
Absolutely!!! These thousand page tomes that no one can understand need to go!
05:36 PM on 06/23/2010
AND YOU GET: nothing.

Why bother coming up with a "Bill" if you are going to strike, amend and "correct"
EVERYTHING so you have NOTHING LEFT ?
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05:34 PM on 06/23/2010
Cash
its that easy
06:12 PM on 06/23/2010
I agree, it may come to cash only again, because you can't write checks in alot of places anymore and even if you did write a check lets say for your house payment that is sent to another state, they charge you for writing them a check...lol

trying to do most bill paying online and right now, no charges to pay my bills that way, but do think its WRONG, to get charged to PAY your bill.

And remember, some banks are doing away with free checking, so if your not having alot of movement in your account that will generate them fee's, hey will charge you a service fee for being a GOOD customer..or good practical person with their money anyway...lol
09:21 PM on 06/23/2010
No - not really. The price that you will pay for the item will include the fee, even if you pay cash.

Also, the agreement the merchant signs with the card company FORBIDS them from offering a discount for customers who pay with cash.
05:02 PM on 06/23/2010
Did you read the Visa document above? Holy Cow! Read the last two paragraphs! Visa literally admits that this bill will drive down network costs...SO VOTE AGAINST IT! What?!?!? When did low cost become bad? Aren't we in a recession? Visa goes on to say, "Issuers should be free to use competition between networks to get the best possible terms and should not be required to offer all networks." Why can't small businesses use competition between networks to get the best possible terms? Why do only big banks who got bailed out with TARP money get this? Congressmen Frank, Peters and Moore need to wake up and realize they are patsies for the Big Banks!
06:13 PM on 06/23/2010
Geuss the Democrats are against us SMALL people too, do you know any LARGE people personally....lol Not me, we are all small people where I live...lol
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04:49 PM on 06/23/2010
Barney Frank, Gary Peters and Dennis Moore are serving their constituent well. Their constituent is Wall Street.
04:54 PM on 06/23/2010
A deal is a deal...until Barney changes his mind!
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HighSierra1981
Is there no sanity left?
04:58 PM on 06/23/2010
to be fair it said for small credit unions...which is something that I could stand behind..but heck with Wall Street...I am tired of these politicians standing up crying about small business yet when they have an opportunity to actually help us they do this....lets see how it plays before I get to angry but these swipe fees are ridiculous!
04:40 PM on 06/23/2010
Let me get this straight--
Step 1) The Senate Passed it
Step 2) The House Offered Changes
Step 3) The Senate Accepted the House Changes
Step 4) Barney Frank opens it up again
Is there any doubt that Barney Frank values his relationship with Visa and the Big Banks more than he values consumers or the Constitution of the US? Am I missing something here?
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myth buster
09:13 PM on 06/23/2010
The man was quite literally in bed with Fannie Mae. This is old news.
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CalDemo
Watch Where You Step
04:33 PM on 06/23/2010
Heck, it's just small business and the consumer against the Wall Street bankers who gambled with our savings and pensions and came begging to us for a handout; business as usual. Republicans were the first to hand it over and the fat cats continue feeding at the trough, getting more than even they bargained for with their lobbyist cash handouts and propagandist media campaign.

This is a CONSUMER TAX! We pay taxes on what we earn and don't get to write off these egregious fees, but the bankers find ways to fatten their wallets and continue to complaign through their surrogates in congress that those taxes need to be lowered. It's an outrage!

Just continued TRANSFER OF WEALTH, from the small shop owners and middle class consumers to the wealthy elite.

THANK YOU REPUBLICAN T PARTY MEMBERS FOR EMBOLDING WALL STREET TO RUN ROUGHSHOD OVER US!!!
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MarsAmbassador
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04:13 PM on 06/23/2010
Of course it's in jeopardy. Nobody should be surprised at this. George Carlin knows why it's in jeopardy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYIC0eZYEtI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vl6ZIlZpcDQ&feature=related
03:52 PM on 06/23/2010
When the price of gas goes up, the cost of food goes up. When the price of gas goes down, the cost of food stays the same. When businesses tack on extra costs to a product to cover the credit card fees, I need to ask, if the credit card fees go down (highly unlikely), will the cost of the product go down? Kinda like supply and demand. if the demand is high, the price is high (because they can). When the demand is low, the price is high (cause they have to). When, oh when, does the little guy get a break? A fair shake? It's enough to make you want to quit the world. Hey, that's a good idea!
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myth buster
09:16 PM on 06/23/2010
It takes competition to drive costs down.
03:32 PM on 06/23/2010
lovely. i own a small business. right now, i am not alowed to have a minimum for debit card purchases. BUT they do not waive thier fees for small purchases. so if i sell a cup of coffee for $1.00, and am paid with a credit/debit card (happens quite a lot) i am charged .10 just to swipe the card plus a percentage of the sale (which varies according to credit card). its basically a loss for me for anything under $5. THEN for even more fun, i am being charged a FEE TO DEPOSIT CASH at the bank. let me repeat that. banks are now charging to deposit CASH. there reason being, it takes a lot of work to deal with cash. isn't that what banks have been doing since they began?!
i have changed banks, i have to do that every couple of years. you can usually find a bank that is young and hungry and you can get good deals, but then the grow or get bought out and then you get fees up the wazoo. its a hassel, but thats business ownership.
a wise woman once said, "when you buy a business all you did was by urself a job."
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Itsmyland2
It's not my fault reality has a liberal bias...
03:59 PM on 06/23/2010
The lie that congress has put forth is that you as a merchant would pass the savings along to your customer and only charge .80 for that same item.
04:17 PM on 06/23/2010
Merchants can't charge MORE if you pay with a Credit/Debit Card so why should they charge you LESS if the rates are reduced?

Also, if you have a MILES card, the Merchant pays even more!

Everyone wants something for nothing and it is running small business into the ground. Pretty soon we will all have to buy from the non-reputable, low margin sellers on Ebay selling from their 2 bedroom apartment in their PJ's. You get what you pay for. Quality and value are going by the wayside. But hey, the customer is always right....
04:37 PM on 06/23/2010
no, u have it backwards, i have to charge MORE to make the SAME profit. i know, i know, i am so evil, wanting my .20 profit. you do realize, that to sell one item, i have to factor in rent, utilities, payroll, insurance (not health, regular insurance), the cost of the product, govertment fees, health insurance etc, etc, so my profit margin is not huge to start with. and yes, i would like to be able to make money. i am sure you do not accept any pay for your work, and live on sunshine and moonbeams.
listen, i am employing 25 people directly and giving business to the vendors who in turn employee people. i am doing my part. i am not a huge faceless corp, i am a mom and pop store.
scorn me if you must, but i think that is really short sited.
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John Cunningham Bowler
04:21 PM on 06/23/2010
Yep, we're all slaves of the free market. Sorry, you're not big enough to survive.
04:29 PM on 06/23/2010
i survive. im just not some evil profit hound.
03:30 PM on 06/23/2010
Silly Peasants, Money is for the OnePercent. You, however, will pay to breath.