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US-Mexico Border Actually More Fortified Now Than 5 Years Ago: AP Spin Meter

SUZANNE GAMBOA   06/23/10 07:43 AM ET   AP

Us Mexico Border Security

WASHINGTON — You wouldn't know it from the public debate, but the U.S.-Mexico border is more fortified now than it was even five years ago. Far more agents patrol it, more fences, barriers and technology protect it and taxpayers are spending billions more to reinforce it.

Despite those efforts, calls for increased border security are elbowing out cries for an overhaul of U.S. immigration laws and inducing Congress and the administration to spend even more money on border enforcement.

Securing the border remains the prerequisite for any other immigration reforms. That leaves on hold any decision on whether border security might be improved by forcing illegal immigrants to come forward, get background checks and comply with other rules in exchange for legal status. Also pushed aside is any consideration of whether more visas for temporary foreign workers would reduce illegal immigration and make better use of law enforcement resources.

"Once we get the border secured, then we can support a lot of things," Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said earlier this month. "Until then, it's going to be very difficult."

That sentiment is shared by both Democrats and Republicans this election year.

But border security is in the eye of the beholder. There's no agreed-on definition of what constitutes a secure border and no budget for how much more to spend to achieve it.

Is it when the entire southern border of nearly 2,000 miles is fenced, or double-fenced? Is it when illegal immigration arrests are at zero or close to it? Is it when everyone who crosses the border can be identified? Is it when Army troops are sent to the border, as they were after Mexican revolutionary Pancho Villa raided a New Mexico border town in 1916, or when the number of Border Patrol agents has quintupled?

The White House will lay out plans for more border reinforcements when administration officials meet with Gov. Jan Brewer in Arizona June 28.

President Barack Obama already has called for 1,200 National Guard troops in support roles, along with at least another $500 million in spending on border security. For President George W. Bush, the number of Guard troops was 6,000. A Texas congressman has said no fewer than about 25,000 will do the job.

"One of the questions I think we need to talk about is whether securing the border is ever going to be reached ... in the sense of the Congress," Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told members of a Senate committee at a hearing in April, "or whether that goal post is just going to keep moving."

The rush to secure the border has gone awry at times. Amid similar demands for ramped-up security in 2006, Congress contracted with Boeing Co. for an electronic "virtual fence." A sweeping immigration overhaul bill was stalled in Congress at the time.

The fence of cameras, radar and other technology has been plagued with problems and delays. It has cost at least $15 million for 53 miles of electronic barrier.

Some border security that has been achieved in recent years:

_ The number of Border Patrol agents has doubled to more than 20,000 since 2003, with most of those agents stationed at the U.S.-Mexico border. The Border Patrol's budget has grown from $1 billion in the 2000 fiscal year to a requested $3.58 billion for 2011, according to the Congressional Research Service.

_ The combined budgets of two agencies – Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement – total about $17 billion after steady increases in funding in recent years.

_ The U.S. has erected about 510 miles of fences and vehicle barriers on the nearly 2,000-mile southern border since 2006, adding to about 137 existing miles of fences and barriers built in previous years.

_ Americans returning from Mexico and Canada now must show passports to cross the border and enter the U.S., under rules that took effect last summer.

Obama's administration has moved immigration investigators to the border and begun inspecting southbound train cargo to help stem cash and weapons flowing to Mexican drug cartels.

"I think people simply don't understand how much has been done in recent years, particularly over the last five or six years, but somewhat going back into the mid-'90s," said Edward Alden, author of "The Closing of the American Border."

That's a result of the demand for increased border security, but Border Patrol Chief Michael Fisher said border security isn't an all-or-nothing proposition. At a recent hearing, he said the border and threats on it are dynamic and security must be, too. A portion of the border could have high levels of security, including fencing, but then face new threats from people using tunnels or ultralight planes to cross illegally, Fisher said.

So far, border security has been addressed incrementally.

A compromise between those who want eased immigration and those advocating security first could mean trade-offs that benefit both sides. For example, employers might be persuaded to check the legal status of their employees in exchange for a visa program that ensures they have a stable work force.

While improving border security persists as the priority, the population of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. remains unidentified and unknown.

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Associated Press writer Ileana Morales contributed to this report.

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01:48 PM on 07/09/2010
According to the article "Headless bodies and other immigration tale tales in Arizona" by Dana Milbank of "The Washington Post." All of the claims of violence and crime in Arizona, have been proven to be based upon assumptions and outright lies! Perhaps the Arizona politicians that have been "peddling this garbage," could embark on new careers as science fiction writers!
09:29 AM on 06/24/2010
Shh, this doesn't fit with the conservative narrative that "Obama wants to throw open the borders and let everyone in."
12:57 AM on 06/24/2010
good it is about time
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Cory111
Life is good...
04:27 PM on 06/23/2010
I live in Mexico. I'm getting the impression many here feel it's a snap for Mexican's to get a Visa, WRONG!!! The State Department has many requirements the Nationals are required to meet. I think you will find most who over stay are from other countries, not Mexico.
It you will stop giving those people jobs there will be no reason for them to enter the counrty.
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phoenixdoglover
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06:00 PM on 06/23/2010
Many people suggest we should enforce the existing employer directed laws already on the books. Presumably, this would lessen the demand for illegal aliens. But for some reason the law has not been enforced in AZ.

The AZ Dept. of Commerce reported in 2006,
"More than half of the businesses in Arizona with employees in 2003 were very small, employing fewer than five. Less than 3 percent employed 500 or more. Including businesses without employees, the figures were even more extreme, with 90 percent of businesses having fewer than five employees and less than 1 percent having at least 500."

The total number of businesses in AZ was 414,000....about the same as the estimated number of illegal aliens! And the vast majority of businesses are "sole proprietors" (just one person).

So there would have to be a strategy for targeting businesses, but it would not be easy.
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Cory111
Life is good...
06:23 PM on 06/23/2010
It could be, but that would upset a few people. We set up stings to catch criminals and round them up by the thousands. Your local police department is well aware of which companies are hiring "Undocumented workers." Hey, they pass them everyday and have been for years as they line up at Home Depot or various other locations around town.
It's all about money. Maybe we could a few people off of unemployment, a nice job, plenty of fresh air...NAH!!!
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ugly american
Just say "No!" But to What?
03:30 PM on 06/23/2010
Good question, "when will border security be achieved."
We have no real idea of how many people cross our border each day from Mexico. Estimates put it at12,000. Currently it is estimated there are more than 12,000,000 unregistered Mexican citizens alone in the US. If that is all there are it is still 10% of the entire population of that nation.
That seems like a few too many. That kind of makes sealing the border outright sound like a good idea. Perhaps if we reduced the number who are here waiting for the US to declare amnesty again it might make us feel a bit better. The very fact that they are waiting for it says volumes about the general attitude of Mexico.
If our government was to tell Mexico that our domestic affairs are none of their business it might make people feel a bit more secure as well.
Mexican media sensationalizes everything to do with the US to generate a much resentment as they can. Which begs the question; If they hate us, why do they want to come here or be Americans?
What is good for Mexico is not good for America.
Decrease the number of crossings to as close to zero as possible and reduce the number of Mexican nationals here to a smaller percentage of their population.
That may feel like border security.
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Cory111
Life is good...
04:45 PM on 06/23/2010
Your comment, "Why do they hate us" had best be reversed. Why do so many Gringo's go on vacation in Mexico? Why are their so many Cruise ships docking at Mexican resort areas.
You sounds very angry...how have illegals personally affected your life?
Personally I'd really like to see every Mexican return to Mexico. Then Gringo's can start picking their own fruit and veggies and swamping Motel rooms, we know you really like that kind of work.
12:47 AM on 06/24/2010
Just WHO do you think did that work BEFORE so many illegals came here? The tooth fairy? The FACT is that Americans STILL do the majority of that work right now. The only effect of the illegals is to drive DOWN the wages of Americans. That does wonders for the rich and the agribusinesses, but screws the black, brown, and poor whites who have to compete against scab labor. Glad to see you spit on your fellow Americans who are doing that work.
01:06 AM on 06/24/2010
ra.cist.......
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phoenixdoglover
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04:45 PM on 06/23/2010
I would suggest you dig a bit more for numbers from reputable sources, and then you can judge the magnitude of the problem.

For example, even the anti-immigrant groups like FAIR and CIS estimated the total number of illegal aliens at 10 to 12 million, and the Mexican percentage as 40% of that.
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Cory111
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04:48 PM on 06/23/2010
Question, did the 40% you noted come in on Visa's.
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phoenixdoglover
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02:09 PM on 06/23/2010
In contrast to my previous post regarding homicides, and the lack of evidence that illegal aliens are responsible for an overall increase in crimes of that type, I also have looked at drug crimes.

This link to the DOJ web site shows drug related arrests over the past 40 years.
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/drug.cfm

The rate of arrests has skyrocketed, particularly for adults.

How can we reconcile our focus on illegal aliens as a source of crime, when it is clear that some of the worst crime trends in the country are due to our appetite for drugs?
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:07 PM on 06/23/2010
ABOVE ARTICLE:
"Janet Napolitano told a Senate committee at a hearing in April, "or whether that goal post is just going to keep moving."


Perhaps it is moving because of this:

Hired by USA Customs, but WORKING FOR MEXICAN CARTELS
December 18, 2009
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/us/18corrupt.html?_r=2&scp=3&sq=randal+c.+archibold+and+border&st=nyt


or...

May 2010
"The Border Patrol declined to say how many times it has recorded fence breaches, but a government audit released last year reported thousands"
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/05/us-mexico_border_fence_ignites.html

or ...

March thru end of April 2010
Looks like they are still crossing the border in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54rC377QEr8&feature=channel

or

May 08, 2010
LA Teacher Calls for Mexican Revolt in the U.S. - 1st Amendment or enciting violence?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGqPo5ofk0s
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phoenixdoglover
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02:22 PM on 06/23/2010
The same article from oregonlive says,

"An estimated 45 percent of America's 12 million illegal immigrants arrive legally on various visas or border crossing cards, then after their legal stays expired. The fence couldn't have stopped that. And the fence doesn't directly confront employers who fuel illicit crossings by hiring illegal immigrants."
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
02:32 PM on 06/23/2010
Yes! Thank you...

What you just posted concurs with this
"or whether that goal post is just going to keep moving."

It is the job of Janet Napolitano to have Homeland Security, Customs, and ICE control those who remain in the USA after their visa expires.

Janet believes that is moving the goal post, but it is not.
It has always been illegal for someone in the USA on a visa to stay "after their legal stays expired"
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08:11 PM on 07/20/2010
had to fan a sane Arizonan
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02:02 PM on 06/23/2010
Fro all of you concerned about the impact of illegal aliens on crime, you might like to look at the Bureau of Justice Statistics web site, which is the national repository for crime data.

Crime statistics are not collected based on immigration status, so it is difficult to draw conclusions about crimes committed by illegal aliens, and whether they commit proportionately more crimes than citizens.

However, look at the charts at this link, which show homicide rates by region of the country
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/region.cfm

Homicide rates have been declining or steady in every region of the country for the past 30 years, and the trends are pretty similar across the country. If illegal aliens were more criminal than citizens, wouldn't we expect to see higher rates or a different trend in regions heavily impacted by illegal immigration (like the Mountain and Pacific regions in the graphs)?

The most recent (2009) data shows declines in almost all crime categories in almost every State. How can we reconciles this with our focus on illegal aliens as criminals?
03:14 PM on 06/23/2010
I saw this on another related article in the comments section.

Here is California's most wanted list http://ag.ca.gov/wanted/mostwanted.php?fid=mostWantedFugitives_2010-01

Notice the place of birth for many of the criminals is Mexico (which makes it likely they are illegal). It is likely many of the CA born are born to illegal parents.

My guess for why this is relates to culture. If your parents wanted something and broke the law to get it (for instance entry into the US) because it was too inconvenient to earn it then why would you not adopt that world view yourself? How can your parents teach you to obey the law and do the right thing when they are themselves criminals?

A huge proportion of crime in California, especially violent crime, is traced back to Mexico, we have imported the huge problems they have down there to LA county.
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Cory111
Life is good...
04:36 PM on 06/23/2010
Hey, you supply them jobs, buy drugs from them, let their new born become citizens, no wonder they come to the states.

Down here (I live in Baja) if I don't have the proper documentation and renew it every year they would take everything I have and boot me back across the border, now there is an idea you might consider implementing.
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04:40 PM on 06/23/2010
I believe CA has a Hispanic gang problem that is well documented. In AZ, we are reputed to be the kidnapping capital of the world. Whether this is true or not, the police attribute almost all of the kidnappings to the drug trade, with both the perpetrators and the victims heavily involved. Not knowing nearly as much about CA, I am going to guess a similar problem.

SO if we admit that a ton of violence is associated with the drug trade, how is our fixation on illegal immigrants within the US going to change that? There are already strict laws and heavy penalties, and a major focus by law enforcement. I believe we are confounding the drug trade with the larger immigration issue, and that is leading to misguided efforts.
12:15 PM on 06/23/2010
I don't know what they think they are going to do or what they will do all i know is the people in the town i live near are tired of them (illegals) burning buildings, hiding out in our barns, coming over trying to get things for nothing. I am sure most of the people coming over are good people but you have the good with the bad. Just the other day a lady was robbed at gun point by an illegal at one of those redbox rental things of all places.
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Tim in Tucson
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01:35 PM on 06/23/2010
Who is employing the illegals in your community? Have you ever asked?
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Cory111
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06:04 PM on 06/23/2010
Head down to Motel "6" for starters!!
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
11:56 AM on 06/23/2010
ABOVE ARTICLE STATES:
"While improving border security persists as the priority, the population of undocumented immigrants in the U.S. remains unidentified and unknown."

If it is unknown?
Then the "undocumented immigrants" could be costing the country plenty...
Then there may be more of these in the "undocumented immigrants" population then is being talked about:

Mexican Military aiding the crossing of Illegal Aliens
including drug trafficking
(Actual video footage)
January 10, 2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ipFuOIBrUw&feature=related

El Chapo Guzman-Americas Most Wanted
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6X1nFa53uQ&feature=related

NPR News investigation has found strong evidence
of collusion between elements of the Mexican army and the Sinaloa cartel
John Burnett , Marisa Peñaloza and Robert Benincasa
May 19, 2010
Gulf Zeta Cartel
La Familila Cartel
Tijuana Cartel
Sinaloa Cartel
Beltran-Leyva Cartel
Juarez Cartel
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126906809
12:13 PM on 06/23/2010
Interesting. And it is also interesting that the fed. govt. has been giving us the same figures for illegals in this country for the last 10 years, this despite the fact that the border patrol says that for every illegal they catch, at least 3 (or more) get through. Based on this, it is likely that we add at least two million illegals to the total each year. But somehow, the number of illegals here never seems to rise.
In my opinion-and I can't prove this-the government has been lowballing the figure in hopes of minimizing public outrage about the size and scope of the illegal invasion.
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
01:42 PM on 06/23/2010
The Federal Government did give us this today, JUN 23, 2010

"Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument"
"Each year hundreds of people travel north through the park seeking to enter the United States."
http://www.nps.gov/orpi/planyourvisit/boarder-concerns.htm

and this too...

"Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument"
"Due to our proximity to the International Boundary with Mexico, some areas near the border are closed for construction and visitor safety concerns.

The following roads are closed indefinitely to vehicle traffic until further notice."

"•Pozo Nuevo"
"•Camino de Dos Republicas"
"•South Puerto Blanco Drive"
"•North Puerto Blanco past the five-mile gate"

http://www.nps.gov/orpi/planyourvisit/road-closures.htm

Why?

Because of this
"Visitors should be aware that drug smuggling routes pass through the park. If you see any activity which looks illegal, suspicious, or out of place, please do not intervene. Note your location. Call 911 or report it to a ranger as quickly as possible."
http://www.nps.gov/orpi/planyourvisit/boarder-concerns.htm
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IllTakeTheRedEye
Do you know what a nonemployer business is?
01:54 PM on 06/23/2010
They gave us this too today, JUN 23, 2010

IRONWOOD Forest U.S. National Monument
"The monument is a travel corridor for illegal immigrants traveling from Mexico. All suspected illegal activities should be reported to BLM or local law enforcement authorities. Visitors should stay safe by avoiding contact with persons exhibiting suspicious behavior or engaged in dangerous activities. Drive with caution and look for fast-moving vehicles and pedestrians on back roads."
http://www.blm.gov/az/st/en/prog/blm_special_areas/natmon/ironwood.html
11:48 AM on 06/23/2010
Suzanne-border security will be reached when this country makes up its mind that open borders and illegal immigration will no longer be tolerated and take all the necessary steps to end these outrages.
This can be done, but there still too many people in politics, business, and yes, in the media, that don't want it to happen.
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11:43 AM on 06/23/2010
Why does this article even matter? Americans dont seem to care about facts. They would rather run around like a bunch of drama queens than sit down and maybe listen to a few things that might make them feel a little better. The sad thing is, there are those that like it that way. Keep em dumb, keep em confused and uninformed.
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foxbat
Don't jump to conclusions
11:36 AM on 06/23/2010
"US-Mexico Border Actually More Fortified Now Than 5 Years Ago: AP Spin Meter"

There have also been more deportations than ever before and more border detentions than ever before. Additionally, violent crime in cities like El Paso is also lower than the national averages. Matter of fact, the top four largest cities with the lowest violent crime rates come from states that are border states. Violent crimes in border counties are down by 30% over the past two decades.

But, as politicians in AZ will tell you, never let reality get in the way of a "good story."

Sources:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/state/fbi-report-on-crime-in-border-states-shows-surprising-statistics

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/19/AR2010031904676.html
11:45 AM on 06/23/2010
Crime is down generally in America. We have enough of our own criminals, why import more.? The fact that crime is down would be of little comfort to your relatives if you were killed by someone who wasn't even supposed to be here.
There are estimates that at least 10 Americans are killed each day across the country (crime and accidents)-if true, that adds up to several thousand dead Americans each year, more than our yearly war casualties. All killed because the politicians will not take border security seriously. That's a lot of American blood on the hands of the open border and illegal immigrant supporters.
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foxbat
Don't jump to conclusions
11:59 AM on 06/23/2010
"There are estimates that at least 10 Americans are killed each day across the country (crime and accidents)-if true, that adds up to several thousand dead Americans each year, more than our yearly war casualties. All killed because the politicians will not take border security seriously."

That's one h*ll of a leap from 10 killed daily from crime and accidents to "All killed because the politicians will not take border security seriously."
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11:35 AM on 06/23/2010
Bizarro World continues:

"Mexico backs case against Arizona immigration law
MEXICO CITY
Tue Jun 22, 2010 6:33pm EDT

MEXICO CITY (Reuters) - Mexico joined a legal challenge to Arizona's controversial new immigration law on Tuesday, arguing that the measure is unconstitutional and would harm bilateral relations with the United States."

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE65L6AB20100622?type=domesticNews

I wonder if the Dems in Congress will vote to pay for Mexico's legal fees.
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phoenixdoglover
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01:45 PM on 06/23/2010
Get a grip. Mexico has no legal standing in the lawsuits. They wrote a "brief". That means they delivered a document to the court (or maybe just to plaintiff's lawyers) that makes some arguments against the law. Nobody is required to pay much attention to the brief. The court can simply set it aside. There are no Mexico legal fees.
11:22 AM on 06/23/2010
In 2006, congress passed something called the Secure Fences Act (or something like that). Money was allocated, and a half-hearted effort was made to make the border more secure. THAT is why the border is more fortified than five years ago, before the passage of the law. This is no thanks to Bush or Obama, neither of whom has any interest in ending illegal immigration.
I recently trade e-mails with former Bush advisor Karl Rove. He claimed that border security was increased under the Bush administration and he wanted credit for that. I disagreed.
Lets put it this way-if only 5% of what was need to be done was being done, and you increased it to 15%, you can run around claiming that you tripled border security! Sounds impressive. But what about the remaining85%?
Many politicians, including Rove and John McCain, claim that they are not advocating amnesty because there would be "hoops" (fines, etc.) for the illegals to jump through. They try to hide behind the dictionary definition of amnesty-'scott free.' Therefore, even though the 15 million illegals would be allowed to remain (drawing in millions more) they would not be receiving amnesty. How nice. I told Rove that the people would decide the definition of amnesty, not the politicians.
We can do this, but first we must fire all those politicians who refuse to do the peoples' bidding. This starts in November.
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11:59 AM on 06/23/2010
Well, your last little tidbit may be all well and good.

However, something YOU and others like YOU do not seem to realize is that of all of the "people" in the United States that the politicians should do their bidding for - the consensus will never come to a complete agreement as to what the bidding should be.

Then what?
12:09 PM on 06/23/2010
We don't need complete agreement, just a majority. Look at how much public opinion has changed on this issue over the last 10, even five, years. What will it be in another couple of years?
Americans are waking up fast about what's going on and about the damage illegal immigration has done to us. They are coming to understand all the various costs of this outrage. And thay are figuring out that their politicians seem to have other plans for this country that don't include keeping our sovereignty. You can't deny that anger is growing. Anger transates into political power and policy changes-action.