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Rand Paul On Underground Electrical Fence: Cost Effective And Humane

First Posted: 06/25/10 02:04 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 05:55 PM ET

Rand Paul Border Fence

In a speech before a small gathering of supporters back in May 2009, Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul elaborated on his proposal to build an underground electronic fence along the U.S.-Mexico border, framing it as a cost effective and even respectful way of stopping the flow of illegal immigrants.

In a speech in downtown Paducah, Kentucky, Paul pegged the cost of his quixotic idea at somewhere between $10 and 15 million dollars (a relative pittance when compared to other border-fence proposals, and likely far too rosy a projection). The benefits of an underground fence, he argued, were that it would not have the symbolism of a Berlin Wall-like structure and it would be considered less offensive to Hispanic voters who are already fleeing the country.

"Where I disagree, maybe with some people on the immigration issue, I don't like the symbolism of a 15 foot fence going the whole border. It's extraordinarily expensive, and it reminds me of the Berlin Wall which was built to keep people in and from fleeing to the west," Paul said. "I think you could actually put an electronic fence under the whole for border for $10 or $15 million, which sounds like a lot to us but that's peanuts. And you could probably have helicopter stations in maybe five different locations, and I think you could have any breach of the border could be stopped at any point and we send them back."

"Another thing we could do is that trade treaties with Mexico should not be approved if they're not going to take care of their border. If they're just going to be sending people across the border illegally, we don't approve any kind of trade favorability with Mexico. We make that a part of international negotiations. You won't find that from other candidates, I think. We have to do something. But am I absolutely opposed to immigration? No, there's probably a certain amount of immigrants that can come in and do work in our country."

The comments from Paul are some of the clearest yet on his underground electrical fence idea. The Senate candidate has listed the proposal on his website for some time now but with little fanfare. The Huffington Post reported on the policy plank Thursday after the Paul campaign turned down several request for additional information. A reader of the site sent video of the comments Paul made back in May 2009.

All told, the position Paul takes puts him rather at odds with the rest of the Republican Party. Indeed, when asked about the idea (though not told who had proposed it) National Republican Senatorial Committee Chair John Cornyn (R-Tex.) assumed it was a joke. A far more common proposal within the GOP tent is to merely build a fence along the border. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for one, has latched on to such a proposal in hopes of saving his seat from a primary challenger.

Paul is in agreement with McCain about the need to stem the flow of illegal immigrants across the border. He too objects to forms of amnesty. But he differs with respect to the tactics for achieving that objective. Putting up an actual fence, he said, would be offensive to Hispanic voters. And the GOP can't afford to lose a bloc of voters with which it's already struggling.

"We don't have a large Hispanic voting bloc," Paul said. "Republicans have gotten in a problem by vilifying the Hispanic vote, and so there's zero of it now, so we have to find a way to believe in the rule of law, believe in border control, and at the same time not vilify that people that come or some that are here. And I'm not for granting them amnesty, either. Do you send 17 million back? I don't know how you do that possibly. But the first thing you have to do is secure the border against unlimited immigration."

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In a speech before a small gathering of supporters back in May 2009, Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul elaborated on his proposal to build an underground electronic fence along the U.S.-Mexico borde...
In a speech before a small gathering of supporters back in May 2009, Kentucky Senate candidate Rand Paul elaborated on his proposal to build an underground electronic fence along the U.S.-Mexico borde...
 
 
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RSKaz
Impact not ego.
11:53 AM on 06/28/2010
What about Cyborgs? A Death Star?
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Wolfwoman
11:32 AM on 06/28/2010
Paul needs to tell us more about the design and mechanics of his invisible electronic fence. Has he been advised by engineers about how it would work. Would it be a fence that electrocutes people who,pass over it? Many unanswered questions.
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
10:53 AM on 06/28/2010
Out of contrariness, I'm going to try this again, as I still don't see what was so bad about it the first two times I tried to post it.

FTA: Paul said. "I think you could actually put an electronic fence under the whole for border for $10 or $15 million, which sounds like a lot to us but that's peanuts."

He must plan to make this "fence" out of real cheap materials and with people working below minimum wage for that kind of price.
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american-dolt
Divide and Conquer
09:27 AM on 06/28/2010
Any one remember the Berlin Wall?
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DevonTexas
Eternal Optimism
09:01 AM on 06/28/2010
The hard part is getting all the Mexicans to wear the collars that go with the fence! LOL
08:46 AM on 06/28/2010
paul next propose chairs with those wires, they will be called electric chairs
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Lahonda
Bynocent Instander
01:13 AM on 06/28/2010
Feds missed again.
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12:35 PM on 06/28/2010
His Kentucky constituents. Excuse me for not looking it up.
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11:07 PM on 06/27/2010
This is most interesting indeed. He seems to think that putting it underground would actually work. And none of his Tennessee constituents would know the idea won't work. I guess SouthWestern conservatives are lucky he isn't running for a seat in their area.
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gevan
Give bees a chance
10:27 PM on 06/27/2010
We should probably test that out by laying down a hundred miles or so between Tennessee and Kentucky.
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01:43 AM on 06/28/2010
I think isolating California would be a better test.
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tbone99
cruisin' duality
09:16 PM on 06/27/2010
the Department of Homeland Security paid top dollar for a 52-mile electronic fence to keep illegal immigrants on the right side of the Mexican border, to the tune of $800 million, or roughly $15 million per mile.

The problem: it doesn't work
The string of surveillance cameras, unattended ground sensors, and guarded towers heavily touted by the Bush Administration was supposed to usher in a future of border security.

Unfortunately it was another Bush failure ,but it did siphon billions to Boeing

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0618/bushs-electronic-15-million-mile-border-fence-faulty-years/
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/04/24/virtual_border_fence_in_ariz_a_failure/
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puffhost
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07:50 PM on 06/27/2010
help ne I don't understand how this works. Is this like invisible fence? If so, will all mexicans have to wear shock collars?
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07:15 PM on 06/27/2010
Electric fence, razor wire, land mines, black helicopters, troops with orders of shoot to kill. I don't care what it is but it's past time to secure or southern border, reclaim US land ceded to Mexican criminal activities and deport a few million illegals.
12:16 AM on 06/28/2010
Funny you should talk about US land ceded to Mexico, considering we took the southwest and California from them by force.
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01:41 AM on 06/28/2010
I'm getting a new clipboard and or computer because mine srsly doesn't work, lol.
08:20 AM on 06/28/2010
You forget we PAID Mexico for that land to the tune of $15 million, not counting the blood shed by American troops. Most countries in history which gain land by war force the loser to PAY the victor in addition to losing the territory. Germany not only lost about half of its territory, but had to PAY the victors too.

The US was very decent and this dumb criticism simply shows the truth of the old saying, NO good deed goes unpunished.
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Rosewren
The power of kindness is infinite
05:46 PM on 06/27/2010
All they need is an electician"s "hot stick" and over the fence they go
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Tom Joad
"While there is a lower class, I am in it "
07:11 PM on 06/27/2010
...reading the article above, it seems he envisions an electrical field that would sound an alarm when someone crossed it, permitting border agents to scramble so they could capture the perpetrator (javelina, coyote, rattlesnake, desert tortoise, roadrunner, antelope, or other denizen of the Sonoran desert)...Li'l Rant Paul is truly a numskull...
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Rosewren
The power of kindness is infinite
07:16 PM on 06/27/2010
With a hot stick they can cut that underground wire and disable it.
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Rosewren
The power of kindness is infinite
05:45 PM on 06/27/2010
Wouldn't work. Electicians have something they call a "hot stick".

A hot stick is an insulated pole, usually made of fiberglass, used by electric utility workers when engaged on live-line working on energized high-voltage electric power lines. Depending on the tool attached to the end of the hot stick, it is possible to test for voltage, tighten nuts and bolts, apply tie wires (twisted lengths of ductile wire which fasten the running cable to its supporting insulators), open and close switches, replace fuses, lay insulating sleeves on wires, and perform various other tasks while not exposing the crew to a large risk of electric shock.[1]

Hot sticks are made in different lengths, from a few feet long up to telescoping types of 30 feet length. Because the fiberglass provides electrical insulation, the hot stick allows utility workers to safely perform operations on power lines without deenergizing them or while the state of the power line is not yet known. This is essential because certain operations (such as opening or closing combination fuse/switches) must occasionally be performed on an energized line.

The hot stick not only electrically insulates the worker from the energized conductor, it provides physical separation from the device being operated, to reduce the chances of burns which might result from electrical arcing if there is a malfunction of the device being operated.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_stick
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Rosewren
The power of kindness is infinite
05:55 PM on 06/27/2010
Actually in my neighborhood a few good squirrels might do it.
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cabrobst
Return the top rate to 91%.
04:55 PM on 06/27/2010
Rand Paul is CRAAAZY!!