Tens Of Thousands Of Non-Residents Taking Advantage Of Utah's Lax Gun Laws For Use In Other States

New York Times:

James Roe, a 64-year-old computer consultant from rural Pennsylvania, spent a recent Saturday in a Pittsburgh suburb learning about riflings, hangfires and powder charges. The gun safety class was for people seeking a concealed weapon permit in Utah, some 1,500 miles away. Never mind that Mr. Roe has not been to Utah in 20 years and has no plans to visit anytime soon.

Read the whole story: New York Times

Comments

[DrBlunt]

06:37 AM on 07/08/2010

Headline should have read:

"Tens Of Thousands of GUN FREAKS Taking Advantage Of Utah's Lax Gun Laws..."

[rikilii]

05:30 PM on 07/08/2010

Yup. Everyone who disagrees with your point of view is a freak, naturally.

[guffman]

05:54 PM on 07/08/2010

What's up with the issue that gun freaks have with being called gun freaks. I've never heard objections from car freaks, or food freaks, or any other freaks, for that matter.

[JohnFromCensornati]

11:41 PM on 07/07/2010

Big Gun Love.

[SparkyDash]

02:13 AM on 07/08/2010

Big compensation anyway.

[grossmont328]

01:57 AM on 07/10/2010

you are correct--I am compensating for a complete lack of desire to get into fisticuffs with a criminal when a firearms is much more efficent at stopping the attack

[Rooster Coburn]

02:39 PM on 07/07/2010

This could lead to more incidents like the one quoted below:

Armed robber in Delray Beach killed in shootout with store clerk, police say.

A man who tried to rob a convenience store at gunpoint ended up being killed by the store clerk Saturday night, according to police.

The apparent robber, who has not been identified, ran into the Community Food Market at 139 Northwest Fifth Ave. around 10 p.m. and tried to rob the store, according to a police report.

A clerk saw the man with the gun and ducked behind the counter before the robber started shooting at the clerk. The clerk grabbed a gun from behind the counter and returned fire, hitting the robber.

After the shootout, the clerk ran from the store and called 911, according to the report. Police found the would-be robber lying on the ground in front of the store still clutching a semiautomatic handgun in his right hand. He had been shot once in the chest.

The man was taken to Delray Medical Center, where he died.

The clerk, who was not injured, was questioned but was not taken into custody, said Delray Beach police spokesman Jeff Messer.

Messer said police are investigating to see if the man is connected to any other unsolved robberies in the city.

Anyone with information on the incident can call the Delray Beach police at [phone].

Good golly, Miss Molly, the store clerk shot back and survived. The perp did not.

[guffman]

02:56 PM on 07/07/2010

Or, it could lead to more incidents like the one quoted below, from the same paper -

Updated: 1:04 p.m. Wednesday, July 7, 2010
Posted: 5:18 a.m. Tuesday, June 29, 2010
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JUPITER — The motive and circumstances that left one man shot to death and a woman critically injured inside their Jupiter home early Tuesday remain the subject of a police investigation - one that kept the home taped off and the street blocked most of the day.

Police identified the dead man as John Douglas Anderson, 31. But they withheld the name of the woman, who was taken to St. Mary's Medical Center with gunshot wounds and was reported to be in critical condition. CBS News 12 identified the woman as Katherine Coonrod.

The two were found shortly after 3 a.m., when dispatchers received 911 calls about a shooting in the 6200 block of Allen Street, a dead-end road in the Heights neighborhood north of Donald Ross Road, police spokeswoman Sally Collins-Ortiz said.
The two had been renting the home at 6257 Allen St. since February 2009, according to the home's owner, Richard Freseman.
Anyone with information is asked to call the Jupiter Police Department tips line at [phone] .

[rikilii]

08:55 PM on 07/07/2010

How could the issuance by Utah of non-resident carry permits which other states have specifically decided to honor, reasonably be expected to lead to more incidents of people being shot within their own homes?

And in case there's any doubt, this question is directed at you guff, but anyone else is welcome to chime in as long as they actually answer the question.

[medic628]

12:20 PM on 07/07/2010

To tc399

When their isim's and fear take over we will how your argument holds water.

[JerryAguy]

12:15 PM on 07/07/2010

All those guns and no one was killed or shot! if guns are dangerous would people not have died there?

[guffman]

12:21 PM on 07/07/2010

All what guns? Did you read the article or just look at the picture?

[JerryAguy]

07:14 PM on 07/07/2010

people are more dangerous than guns is the point, been hit in the head with a hammer

[LiberalDem]

08:46 AM on 07/07/2010

Utah's found a quick and easy way to make money. Just issue the permit, cash the check, and everybody involved is happy.

[Dimensio]

09:19 AM on 07/07/2010

The permit issuance system enacted in the state of Utah is not structured as you suggest. Are you lying, or have you simply conducted no research regarding the relevant subject?

[DrBlunt]

04:19 AM on 07/07/2010

Heyyyy, look at me! I'm a big, bad toughie... I own a gun!

[molonlabe]

08:29 AM on 07/07/2010

Stick to marijuana legalization, blunt. You're way out of your league here.

[guffman]

11:20 AM on 07/07/2010

Based upon what I've been reading, all that seems to be required for admittance into your "league" is a love of guns.

[DrBlunt]

06:16 AM on 07/08/2010

You make a GREAT point!

Marijuana has never been known for killing others... at least not in my "LEAGUE!. But yet, IT"S ILLEGAL!

GUNS KILL! But yet IT'S LEGAL! GO FIGURE!


Bang! Bang! Who's there?

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[Dimensio]

08:45 AM on 07/07/2010

Have you any rational commentary to offer?

[DrBlunt]

06:03 AM on 07/08/2010

Absolutely!

"Heyyyy, look at me! I'm a big, bad toughie... I own a gun!"

[ManUTd1989]

04:02 AM on 07/07/2010

Well, I think John Lennon found out the hard way that peace and nonviolence only works when everyone wants to play along. Otherwise, you just get shot in the back.

[Tiger-99]

08:49 AM on 07/07/2010

Lennon's assassin would have figured out a way to kill him with or without a gun... When a psycho wants you dead they usually figure out a way to get the job done...

[guffman]

11:35 AM on 07/07/2010

Guns are, overwhelmingly, the impulsive coward's weapon of choice. That's why a frustrated dweeb like Chapman used one.

[Rayme]

03:38 AM on 07/07/2010

The NY Times is blatantly anti gun. I'll be getting my Utah Concealed Carry Permit this year and Yes, I've fired a gun.

[WOODSTOCKER51]

06:36 AM on 07/07/2010

http://life.familyeducation.com/school-safety-month/violence/29712.html

[Tiger-99]

08:40 AM on 07/07/2010

Gangs suck....

[SouPro]

09:02 AM on 07/07/2010

All the sources cited have dates ranging from 1980 to 1998. I trust you blindly copied and pasted that and didn't actually take time to think about the content and weren't actively attempting to be dishonest.

Children were XX% more likely to die by a crossbow in 1532! Ban all crossbows!

[Rooster Coburn]

03:33 AM on 07/07/2010

Liberals claim to want our country to have better relations with the rest of the world.
Do they realize that when Americans purchase, own and sometimes even carry firearms from foreign nations, like the Walther PPK in the pic at the top of this article, which was originally designed and produced in Germany, it helps to build a better understanding of their cultures and societies?

We have firearms from Russia, Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Germany, France, China, Croatia, the former Yugoslavia, Brazil, Switzerland plus many, many other nations available for purchase by Americans in our country.

When we acquire one of these imported items we often find that we develop more understanding of and appreciation for the people from the society that manufactured and, if it's a formerly military firearm, carried it.

Of course pro-RKBA liberals already know this, it's the 'antis' I'm referring to.

[WOODSTOCKER51]

06:37 AM on 07/07/2010

HEY ROOSTER...ARE YOU A PAID ADVERTISER?

[guffman]

11:04 AM on 07/07/2010

Would everybody please join "Rooster"and me in a chorus of "I'd Like To Teach The World To Sing"?

[tc399]

12:27 AM on 07/07/2010

I wish to thank the Associates Press for running this story. My CCW classes just filled up for the next several months.

[guffman]

12:43 AM on 07/07/2010

Sure they did, Tex. Thanks to the "Associates Press".

[rikilii]

05:32 PM on 07/08/2010

Oh my god, a TYPO!!! Call the police, they'll protect us!

[InYourWorld]

01:01 AM on 07/07/2010

Good for you! I hope you train a lot of safe and sane citizens well this summer!

I guess UT has helped you TX economy, glad to see someone with some gainful employment these days.

[FatFeline]

11:19 PM on 07/06/2010

" Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, asserted that Utah’s policy was dangerous because many states were lax in submitting felony and mental health records to the federal database used for background checks. "

It is not Utah's policy that is dangerous. It is the states that are lax in submitting submitting felony and mental health records to the federal database used for background checks that are dangerous.

[InYourWorld]

12:22 AM on 07/07/2010

Again that is putting the carriage in front of the horse. The Brady Center also proclaimed that, by now, we would have hadgun battles ala Guy Richie sytle in National Parks and Starbucks.....

[Dimensio]

12:55 AM on 07/07/2010

Curiously, I have yet to observe any actual "battles" involving firearms when in a Starbucks establishment, in spite of continued patronage of such locations. I have begun to suspect that the expressed concerns of civilian disarmament advocates regarding the absence of a policy prohibiting firearms within Starbucks establishments may have, in fact, been dishonest.

[areachanging]

10:08 PM on 07/06/2010

When I ask sheoples questions, he/she moves to another thread.
Maybe coincidence?

[1will]

10:03 PM on 07/06/2010

Utah has been doing this for years. Millions of Concealed Carry Permits (CCW) have been issued nationwide (250,000 currently in VA alone).
This has not been a problem. If states are not updating their list of felons then it sounds like a huge act of incompetence on their part. Perhaps this could be addressed in those states.
Is this the weekly Chicken Little- The Sky Is Falling huffpost gun story?

[Old Jarhead]

09:12 PM on 07/06/2010

A link to an article on the Daily Kos. Even the author thinks libs should keep and bear arms.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/7/4/881431/-Why-liberals-should-love-the-Second-Amendment

The author actually makes a lot of sense.

[InYourWorld]

01:03 AM on 07/07/2010

It's funny that garnered no response....

[Tiger-99]

08:44 AM on 07/07/2010

Lots of liberals own guns, always have always will...

http://www.liberalswithguns.com/