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Kyl: Unemployment Insurance A 'Necessary Evil'

First Posted: 07/12/10 05:51 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:00 PM ET

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Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said Monday that tax cuts for the wealthy shouldn't be offset by revenue increases elsewhere because their purpose is to shrink the size of government, fleshing out an argument he made on Sunday. The White House has seized on Kyl's assertion that unemployment benefits should be paid for but tax cuts shouldn't, hoping to portray the GOP as staunch defenders of the rich. But Kyl stood by his statement, calling jobless benefits a "necessary evil."

Viewing Kyl's argument through the prism of the deficit makes for a confusing philosophical landscape. But it's not about the deficit, it's about the size of government: Kyl and the GOP in general want to slash government spending -- on the domestic front, at least. Borrowing to pay for unemployment insurance cuts against that goal; borrowing to pay for tax cuts reduces revenues available to government and moves the nation closer to a crisis point at which cuts to social programs may become palatable. That strategy has long been known as "starve the beast."

"My view, and I think most of the people in my party, don't believe that you should ever have to offset a tax cut," said Kyl, speaking to reporters off the Senate floor. "The money belongs to the taxpayer, to the people. The money does not belong to the government. And yet that's what this kind of a rigid pay-go rule would assume, that the money belongs to the government and, therefore, if you're going to deny the government some of that revenue through a tax cut, you have to make the government whole because the government can never lose any money. That would mean that you could never reduce the size of government. Each year when it gets bigger, it stays at that level or gets bigger yet, but you can never reduce it. The money doesn't belong to the government. The money belongs to the people, so you shouldn't have to make the government whole every time you do something to reduce the revenue to the government."

Most economists, including Mark Zandi, a former adviser to Kyl's homestate GOP colleague John McCain, and the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, say that spending on unemployment insurance stimulates the economy because the jobless spend nearly the entire check. The wealthy, meanwhile, save most of the money they receive from tax cuts, spend it on luxury goods or send it offshore.

Kyl disagreed forcefully with that economic analysis and urged lower taxes and less regulation. "First of all, no economist will say that you should have to spend money on people who are unemployed because that stimulates the economy. If you didn't have high unemployment or a recession, nobody would be suggesting unemployment benefits. Stimulus, by just giving people money, is not the most efficient way to generate jobs and growth. The best way to generate growth in the economy -- jobs, income for governments who need to tax -- is by a growing economy. And there is no better way to stimulate a growing economy than through reforming tax and regulatory policy," he said.

Kyl said that the government would prefer not to have to pay unemployment benefits. "It's a necessary evil in a sense. You'd like not to have raise revenue in order to pay people for not working - or not to pay them for not working, but because they can't get work. You want them to get work so you don't have to pay them. It's something the government would just as soon not have to do if it could avoid it," he said. "To me, you shouldn't look at it as an economic matter. It's a humanitarian matter. You've got people who are out of work who can't find work, you want to help them out. Families need help. That's why you provide it. You don't do it because it's going to stimulate the economy."

In March, Kyl suggested on the Senate floor that unemployment benefits dissuade folks from seeking jobs. He was the first -- but far from the last -- member of Congress to make such an argument. At the time, an incredulous Max Baucus (D-Mont.) asked him if he wanted to soften the statement and he did. On Monday, HuffPost asked if he still felt that way. "Yes. Most economists do. Look at the textbooks written by economists who work for President Obama, Larry Summers for example," he said.

HuffPost noted that the research for those studies applies to good economic times, when a job seeker can juggle multiple offers, but not to recessionary periods, where jobs are harder to come by. Summers made the point recently in a letter to the Wall Street Journal.

"Oh, baloney. They don't qualify it in the textbooks," replied Kyl.

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Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said Monday that tax cuts for the wealthy shouldn't be offset by revenue increases elsewhere because their purpose is to shrink the size of government, fleshing ...
Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said Monday that tax cuts for the wealthy shouldn't be offset by revenue increases elsewhere because their purpose is to shrink the size of government, fleshing ...
 
 
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11:47 AM on 07/15/2010
john kyl and his ilk of rich white politician have no idea what is going on in their own state.
people are unemployed,under employed and looking desperately for work

many are not sophisticated enough even to sign on for unemployment.
this country is in a crises and the only solution is for government to step in and create a WPA type of agency to create jobs and rebuild our infrastructure in this country from the ground up.
these are the only jobs you cannot send to india, china, indonesia and elsewhere and undermine our own citizens. enough of the rich corporate jerks who have brought us down and send all work including manufacturing and service industries overseas to third world countries that can pay their workers 40 dollars per month and have them work 7 days per week 12 hours per day and live as indentured servants.
remember if we give people jobs, they pay taxes and own homes and contribute to society.
if miserable business world does not step in, the government has to for the sake of this and future generations.
i am a former republican who is disgusted with the rightward march of this party and the lack of thoughtful leaders. they should be ashamed.
10:10 PM on 07/14/2010
You know with all these news reports about unemployment being "bad" and extensions being denied I sometimes wish these people saying these negative things about unemployment were in my shoes. I just found out that my unemployment extension; which paid me last week and I still have a balance still payable to me (not owed), is exhausted and that I will now have to find another way to help pay for rent, electricity, food and laundry. Walk a mile in my shoes before you say that unemployment is the reason why the unemployment count is so high. There are many of us that have been actively looking for work but not getting any luck. Even going below our work abilities and qualities.
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ennis438
05:50 PM on 07/14/2010
More GOP claptrap. These tax giveaways to the useless rich do NOT belong to me. They belong to the fatcat doners to lowlifes like Kyl.This bull can be expected from the corrupt GOP but should be rejected by voters who do not benefit from more corporate welfare and fatcat welfare that the corrupt GOP will furnish if allowed to regain power.
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WOODSTOCKER51
HAVE A NICE DAY!
07:39 AM on 07/14/2010
........IMAGINE HOW PROUND HIS MOM AND DAD ARE."SON,GREAT TO SEE YOU STEPPING ON THE THROAT OF POOR OUT OF WORK PEOPLE..YOU MAKE US PROUD"...
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masher
software engineer
01:27 AM on 07/14/2010
The point of unemployment checks is to pacify the people as Obama's (and Bush's and Clinton's ...) policies to offshore and outsource American jobs really kicks in. The checks keep people quiet long enough to not notice that a permanent lower standard of living is setting in.

Obama and the Dems are fully on board with the GOP on this so the checks will start up soon. So shut up, sit back, and enjoy the ride.
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IsyFleur
Om, Shanti, Shanti, Shanti. ॐ
01:23 AM on 07/14/2010
Unemployed Arizonan: Kyl an "Unnecessary Evil."
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WOODSTOCKER51
HAVE A NICE DAY!
07:36 AM on 07/14/2010
.....WE CAN ONLY HOPE THIS "EVIL".........IS UNEMPLOYED BY NEXT ELECTION......
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jchastn
Don't confuse motion with progress...
12:53 AM on 07/14/2010
voting republican is un-american.
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WOODSTOCKER51
HAVE A NICE DAY!
07:37 AM on 07/14/2010
.,,,,,,,,,,ITS "ANTI-AMERICAN".......

"WHY DO REPUBLICANS HATE AMERICANS SO MUCH?".....
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One more Thing
12:44 AM on 07/14/2010
The unemployed are less likely to make a Republican campaign contribution so kick 'em while they are down!
12:34 AM on 07/14/2010
I wish he'd stop trying to live up to his name.
11:54 PM on 07/13/2010
There are 5-7 people for every job available and the numbers are growing. 15 million people are out of work in the US and Republican and some Democratic Senators are now having a problem passing a Bill that will grow the deficit. Those Senators are in effect saying they think it’s more important to cut back on financial aide to Americans who've lost their jobs than it is to cut back on the "Trillions of aide" spent over 7 years to fund the War. Interestingly enough they had no problem spending into a deficit during the Bush administration.

We have a Voice & a Vote. We need to get LOUDER - email/call/fax both Republican & Democratic Senators who have voted NO on a UI Benefits extension.

Tell them you think they're voting against American citizens and their families. And, it appears that they, our Rep's, think they can play politics with our lives during this recession. Let them know they are sorely mistaken! We are educated - pay our taxes (their salaries) and do not deserve to be demonized as lazy drug addicts.

To be clear, we will "Vote Out the Incumbents" in the Senate and Congress in NOVEMBER who have voted against helping out of work Americans! This is bipartisan & going to affect both Republicans and Democrats without jobs!

Here’s the link to the “entire list of Senators” who voted NO on Bill. http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&session=2&vote=00200
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FunkyFanMachine
11:21 PM on 07/13/2010
Hmmmmm...

-- Massive economic meltdown ( largest since the great depression ) left by the previous radically extreme right wing incompetent administration
-- Massive oil spill ( largest in history ) directly caused by the dismantling of any oversight by the previous radically extreme right wing GREEDY administration
-- TWO major wars to direct and wind down ( the first being an ILLEGAL one started on falsehoods ) ( the second one left to fester ) from a DITHERING radically extreme right wing administration

and oh yeah ...

A Radically extreme right wing republican senate backed by a likewise activist SCOTUS , that continues to this day to say NO , NO and NO again to ANYTHING this Administration tries to do ..( such as )
-- appoint people for said unfilled positions to just do the basic job of government
-- block legislation that might help the American people to overcome said problems
-- not even allow a VOTE on various legislation ( 300+ backlogged)

SO we are going to see the ratcheting up of screaming headlines that belie the BASIC and incontrovertible FACT.

The Republican Party is holding the American people hostage and need to be voted OUT!

(.) Period

Regards,
Funky.
10:08 PM on 07/13/2010
& to this end all I can say here is: I suppose then an eye for an eye anyone? The current excuse for a GOP is an unnecessary evil.
09:56 PM on 07/13/2010
Texas land grabers
K.B. Hutchinson and John Cornyn refuse to extend unemployment because they profit when Texans loose their homes.

These two senators from Texas buy up forclosed propertys,(check Texas deed records) to turn a huge profit. How do you get more homes up on the auction block?, simple keep people from recieving ui benifits, alow tax cuts for outsourceing jobs to other countries, and alow credit card companies and payday loans and title loans to charge outragious intrest rates.

The rich get richer and the middle class disapears into poverty.
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Gridlock50
09:51 PM on 07/13/2010
like tax cuts for the rich....
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Jlong
09:41 PM on 07/13/2010
Having this guy as a Senator from AZ is a necessary evil.
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snapshot1940
"We have met the enemy and he is us"
11:20 PM on 07/13/2010
But, hopefully, only for a couple of more years. Kyl is an embarrassment to this state and to the United States Senate.