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Pakistan President: U.S.-Led Coalition Losing Afghan War

PAISLEY DODDS   08/ 3/10 07:06 PM ET   AP

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LONDON — The U.S.-led coalition's battle against the Taliban has already been lost because of its failure to win over the Afghan people, Pakistan's president warned Tuesday before tough talks this week with Prime Minister David Cameron, who has accused the country of exporting terrorism.

President Asif Ali Zardari told the French daily Le Monde online that the coalition had "underestimated the situation on the ground and was not conscious of the scale of the problem" against the Taliban largely because "we have lost the battle to conquer the heart and soul" of the Afghan people. Long-term help – not just military reinforcements – was needed.

"To win the support of the Afghan population, we must bring them economic development and show that we cannot only change their lives, but above all improve them," Zardari was quoted as saying.

Zardari is set to meet with Cameron on Friday. The talks have been overshadowed by Cameron's remarks last week that Pakistan had looked two ways in dealing with terrorists.

The visit of Zardari, the widower of Benazir Bhutto, comes amid growing concern that some elements in Pakistan's intelligence service and military have been sympathetic to militants – a claim supported in Wikileaks, the self-described online whistle-blower that recently posted leaked U.S. military documents alleging Pakistan's unwillingness to sever its historical ties to the Taliban.

"Pakistan and its people are the victims of the terrorists," said Zardari, who said Britain and Pakistan needed unity – not division on the fight against terrorism. Pakistan has lost some 2,500 of its security forces in the past few years during battles against insurgents.

Zardari denied allegations that elements in Pakistan were cooperating with the Taliban and said the Wikileaks documents citing Pakistan predated his time as president.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs rejected Zardari's assessment Tuesday, saying he thought coalition actions taken in the past few months "have much the hearts and minds of the Afghan people." Gibbs said, "The Afghan people know of the brutality of the Taliban."

Cameron's comments about Pakistan's alleged role in the export of terrorism – remarks made last week during his visit to Pakistan's nuclear rival, India – caused a diplomatic row.

Pakistan's intelligence chief, Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha, called off a trip planned to London because of the dispute, while Britain's envoy in Pakistan was summoned to Islamabad. Dozen of protesters from the Islamist group Shababe Milli, meanwhile, burned an effigy of Cameron in the port city of Karachi over the weekend.

The Pakistani leader also is facing mounting criticism at home for his government's handling of deadly floods that have killed 1,500 people, some of the worst in recent history. Also marring the visit were a series of revenge attacks that killed at least 45 people in Pakistan's largest city, Karachi, after the assassination of a prominent lawmaker.

One analyst said Zardari's decision to carry out the visit left him scratching his head.

"With all the floods, the shooting in Karachi ... David Cameron's comments, I can't imagine he's going to have very much positive to take home," said Gareth Price, the head of the Asia program at London's Chatham House think tank. "The politically astute move would seem to be to have canceled the whole trip to Europe and say: 'I need to be there.'"

Pakistan is one of Britain's most important allies in fighting terrorism – nearly 1 million people of Pakistani origin live in Britain, and Pakistani intelligence has been crucial in several terror investigations, including the 2005 suicide attacks that killed 52 London commuters and a 2006 trans-Atlantic airliner plot. Many of the plots have had links back to Pakistan.

Cameron defended his comments Tuesday, but stressed the importance of Friday's talks.

"The key thing is to build on the relationship that we have and to make sure we are co-operating on security issues," he said.

Britain is one of the largest donors to Pakistan and is expected to increase aid by an estimated 40 percent as Britain cuts other foreign aid in an effort to boost support in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Britain offers about 120 million pounds ($190 million) a year in aid to Pakistan and announced in June it plans to prioritize work to improve access to education, particularly for women.

An additional 5 million pounds ($8 million) of emergency aid has been promised following the floods.

Last year, Pakistan's powerful military rejected U.S. attempts to link billions of dollars in foreign aid to increased monitoring of its anti-terror efforts.

Analysts have warned any breakdown in intelligence sharing and other types of cooperation would hurt the fight against a resurgent Taliban in Afghanistan. U.S. and NATO commanders have repeatedly said the war cannot be won unless Islamabad does more to tackle extremists on its side of the border.

"There is a huge amount of international tension about what Pakistan is doing to deal with the issue of terrorism," said Sam Zarifi, Amnesty International's director for the Asia-Pacific. "What remains very much in doubt is whether Pakistan's civilian government has an overall plan or the capacity to address or control the insurgency in the northwest."

The 55-year-old Zardari has long been haunted by corruption allegations dating back to governments led in the 1990s by his late wife who was assassinated in 2007 after her return from exile to Pakistan. He spent several years in prison under previous administrations and allegations he misappropriated as much as $1.5 billion.

Zardari has routinely denied any wrongdoing, but there have been growing calls to reopen an alleged corruption case involving Zardari and his late wife that had been heard in a Swiss court.

Zardari will be holding private talks on Wednesday and Thursday with Pakistani officials, community members and other British officials before meeting Cameron on Friday. He also is expected to speak Saturday at a rally of his Pakistan Peoples Party in Birmingham.

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07:59 AM on 08/05/2010
sounds just like reid. thank you for your support.
06:09 AM on 08/05/2010
no big surprise . . . . we all know that the US and its NATO allies have lost . . .
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05:14 AM on 08/05/2010
Talk about internet privacy, these people are scary

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/02/privacy/index.html

Reminds me of a good read - “The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo” by Stieg Larsson.
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03:10 AM on 08/05/2010
"ACLU, CCR seek to have Obama enjoined from killing Awlaki without due process."

Quote:
“regulations promulgated several years ago by the Treasury Department prohibit U.S. persons from engaging in any transactions with individuals labeled by the Government as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist," and those regulations specifically bar lawyers from providing legal services to such individuals without a special "license" from the Treasury Department specifically allowing such representation.”
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Talk about the “Obama Police State”. This is Sick!

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/03/awlaki/index.html
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Whinger
I'm Just Me!
02:06 AM on 08/05/2010
"we have lost the battle to conquer the heart and soul"

That, was a foregone conclusion before the first American soldier set foot in Afghanistan!
The old saying, smile away, talk away, but keep your sword sharp and munitions dry!
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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
10:36 PM on 08/04/2010
War_on_Terror is Peace

But though the War_on_Terror is unreal it is not meaningless. The primary aim is to eat up the products of the machine without raising the general standard of living, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that a hierarchical society needs.

The consciousness of being at w@r, and therefore in danger, makes the handing-over of more and more power to a small caste seem the natural, unavoidable condition of survival.

Essentially, the w@r is waged by the Empire against its own subjects, and the object of the w@r is not conquests of territory or to vanquish terr0rists, but to keep the structure of society intact.

This -- although the vast majority of Empire members understand it only in a shallower sense -- is the inner meaning of the Empire’s slogan: War_on_Terror is Peace.

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1776 or 1984
IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
10:55 PM on 08/04/2010
After the Cold_War ended, how could the Empire had justified it's existence without the new Pearl Harbor of 2001?

Without fear, eventually, the small people in the richest nation would ask its rulers to spend taxes on things that raise the general well being of the small people (i.e., universal healthcare, good schools, etc.).

But real peace doesn't keep the hierarchical society in-tact does it? Whats a couple thousand small people when the hierarchy is at stake? Empire decides on means/ends, not morality.
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One man, one vote, from the river to the sea
10:20 PM on 08/04/2010
We're staying in Afghanistan for the same reason we will be attacking Iran - for Israel, her Israeli Lobby, and her Neocons, and Obama's cowardice to stand up for them

We're staying in this Afghanistan for the same reason we attacked Iraq - for Israel, her Israeli Lobby, and her Neocons, and Bush's inepitude to do anything other than following rather than leading

We're staying in this Afghanistan for the same reason we support the Arab dictatorships in Egypt and Saudi Arabia and played Saddam off against Iran in their bloody war - for Israel, her Israeli Lobby, and her Neocons

We're staying in this Afghanistan for the same reason we have sold the Palestinians down the river for decades and allowed the Middle East to fester and war - for Israel, her Israeli Lobby, and her Neocons

Our support and arming of Israel and supporting Arab-dicatorships to strengthen our Israeli policy led to 911 and therefore the war in Afghanistan, the War in Iraq, no Middle East Peace progress, and a likely upcoming War against Iran.

A NIE showing how Israel is long overdue - an NIE on Israel exposing for all to see the disaster of Israel having manipulated the US thru AIPAC and the rest of the Lobby, along with her Neocons, into a clash of civilizations with Islam
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IT'S AN EMPIRE, NOT A REPUBLIC!
09:48 PM on 08/04/2010
How can the w@r possibly be won?

0sama is laughing his @ss off back on the Bin_Laden ranch in Saudi_Arabia while cutting shrub.
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Mark Kraft
04:58 PM on 08/04/2010
If I wanted advice on how NATO was doing in Afghanistan, about the last person I would listen to is "Mr. 10 percent", who stole from his own people. http://www.nytimes.com/1998/01/09/world/the-bhutto-millions-a-background-check-far-from-ordinary.html

Zardari is saying that things are looking bleak for two main reasons: money, and more money. That's why he's in London, while his people drown in floods.

Meanwhile, he colludes with his own intelligence apparatus to assist the Taliban!
http://www.thenews.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=29468
ThinkCreeps
Seriously, it's time.
12:40 PM on 08/04/2010
He may be a kleptocrat with a very dodgy intelligence service, but he knows his afghan wars
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Mark Kraft
05:00 PM on 08/04/2010
He should... he helps fund the Taliban!
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mrJJ
11:44 AM on 08/04/2010
Pakistan: a client of more than one state: China has been Pakistan's firmest ally for 60 years – and it is to Beijing that Islamabad looks to counterbalance the influence of western largesse

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Less incremental was the recent announcement that China will sell nuclear reactors to Pakistan. A $2.4bn deal hopes to quench Pakistan's thirst for energy, and recognition as a responsible nuclear citizen on the world stage.

There are thinly veiled concerns that the agreement could be in breach of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Despite this, the US, on whose words and action so much of western policy in our region is determined, has offered only limited criticisms. This may have something to do with theUS and India deal that would see the former reprocess spent nuclear fuel for the latter, although India got an exemption from the Nuclear Suppliers Group for that purpose.

more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jul/18/pakistan-client-state-china-western-influence
01:37 PM on 08/04/2010
Wow- Pakistan's behavior makes complete and utter sense now.
11:28 AM on 08/04/2010
How much money is Zadari and his drug and gun syndicate demanding now? They fund the Taleban and the drug lords then demand extortion money to curb their activities. Caving in to them is making the situation worse.
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EJavaM07
Doing what no one else will.
11:18 AM on 08/04/2010
So we're funding a government that is certain that we will lose the war that we are paying them to help win?

Sounds like we have a long term welfare state to support in Afghanistan (on top of the one we are already supporting at DoD, DEA, etc), and a recipe for continued and outright failure.
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Dare Taiwo
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11:16 AM on 08/04/2010
Afghanistan is a bottomless pit. No matter how much is spent to develop infrastructure, it would be money flushed down the drain because the Afghans will remain with their own. Its a known fact that Pakistan has not been a dependable ally in the war. With Pakistan's government equivocation and their despicable attitude of running with the hare and hunting with the rabbit, I am in the least surprised by President Zardari's comments. With a friend like Pakistan, no one needs an enemy.
10:35 AM on 08/04/2010
Hey Mr. President Z do you think the headline might have to do MORE with your countries actions than ours?

Religious nutters with nuclear bombs...I sleep peacefully with that knowledge :-(