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Robert Rubin Argues Against 'Major' Stimulus And For Deficit Reduction

First Posted: 08/08/10 12:25 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:20 PM ET

Robert Rubin

Bob Rubin, the former Clinton administration Treasury Secretary and routine foil for many progressive-minded economists, argued on Sunday against a second "major" stimulus to revive the economy.

Appearing on CNN's "Fareed Zakaria GPS," Rubin said that the president would better be served focusing his efforts on the task of long-term deficit reduction.

"I wouldn't do a major second stimulus because I think...we run a risk that it could be counterproductive in creating a lot of additional uncertainty and undermining confidence," Rubin said. "But at the same time -- and what I'm about to say is easy to say and very hard to do -- at the same time I would try over the next six months to put in place a very serious beginning of deficit reduction that would take effect at some specified time in the future. And I would guess something like two years. So it wouldn't take effect right now, when the economy is still so vulnerable, but if you could do it and it was credible and people believed it and it was real, I think that could do a lot for confidence. The problem is that's very easy to say and very hard to do."

Praised for shepherding lengthy economic growth during the Clinton years only to be bemoaned, in retrospect, for ushering in the era of deregulation that contributed to the current crisis, Rubin has been a relatively quiet voice during the Obama administration. His main impact on economic policy has been through the various disciples that he has working in key administration posts. His pushback against a second major stimulus effort doesn't necessarily have practical political impacts. But it's a viewpoint that is shared by those figures who actually affect the president's decisions.

Politics, of course, makes the debate over stimulus rather limited. Even if the White House wanted a major new spending package, Congress wouldn't write the check. Being a high-profile Democratic-affiliated figure, however, Rubin's comments hurt those arguing the case that more stimulus spending is needed.

During his CNN appearance, the former Treasury Secretary did argue for some policy changes that will leave Democrats and progressives a bit more content. Asked what he would propose to help turn the ecnomy and the deficit around, Rubin replied:

"I would put an estate tax in place right now, immediately, because we have no estate tax right now. There is no supply side effect in having an estate tax. And we should fill that void. Number two, I would increase the tax on the higher brackets, those top two brackets, and bring them back up to the Clinton rate. I believe there's no supply side effect there. We did it in 1993 people said we were going to destroy the economy, in fact we had the longest expansion...in American history. I would leave the middle-class tax cuts intact for a limited period because I do think that the probability is higher that we're going to have slow and bumpy growth than vigorous growth, and I think that given the vulnerability, the high unemployment rate, one thing and another, I wouldn't want to have that contractive effect right now."

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holyghostie
Spiritus est qui vivificat
09:24 PM on 08/09/2010
Mistakes the Federal Reserve Made in the 30's
http://www.federalreserve.gov/boarddocs/speeches/2004/200403022/default.htm

Mistake Congress Made in the 30's
http://future.state.gov/when/timeline/1921_timeline/smoot_tariff.html
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pattiepcomedy
Funny IT gal
08:54 PM on 08/09/2010
Do a stimulus for new jobs!! There are roads to be built, bridges to be connected, so much infrastructure that needs to be fixed (are those levees fixed yet?). There are many job opportunities so put energy (money) into it. Remember the Conservation Corp - where people could go and put out fires and protect the environment amd the person could learn a skill. Some would say we have many problems; I would say we have many opportunities that could change America for the good if people invested in those opportunities (JOBS). The upper 2% has NOT invested in American workers like the entitlements they received was to facilitate; the government should trust us (as much as they did Wall Street and the Banks), that if you give us the money, the unemployed will come to be employed, and we will see our nation like it hasn't in a long time. We will all grow by this experience of helping each other get and keep jobs (stop jobs from going overseas!) - whether Democratic or Republican. We all need to save our way of life. And all I'm asking for is a decent paycheck, a roof over my head, and enough to eat - the American Dream? No, I'm just trying to survive.
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plaidsportcoat
05:28 PM on 08/09/2010
Robert Rubin's all like, "I went to huff post for my vacation interview, but all I got was 9,000 comments"
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TremoluxMan
Politics: BS on Steroids.
04:54 PM on 08/09/2010
This guy has his head so far up his bum, he can see what he had for lunch last week.
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plaidsportcoat
05:29 PM on 08/09/2010
Yes, his head is in the way of the food from last week getting digested. He should be in the circus, actually.
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Lorianne
ama vitam
04:26 PM on 08/09/2010
U.S. To Train 3,000 Offshore IT Workers ( so IT Jobs can be more easily outsourced )
http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/integration/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=226500202

Federally-backed program aims to help outsourcers in South Asia become more fluent in areas like Java programming—and the English language.
04:21 PM on 08/09/2010
Finally someone with a brain on the left!

Leave the Bush Tax cuts in! I need them and I am not a millionaire!!!
04:56 PM on 08/09/2010
If you're making under$200,000 or $250,000 btw you and a spouse then the tax cuts will likely be extended for you.

If you're making more than that good for you, but it's back to 2000 rates.
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kmich718
Hope for the best - Prepare for the worst
05:30 PM on 08/09/2010
3.4% increase to those above $250K....Wow, and Metal is complaining???
05:58 PM on 08/09/2010
""I would put an estate tax in place right now, immediately, because we have no estate tax right now. There is no supply side effect in having an estate tax. And we should fill that void. Number two, I would increase the tax on the higher brackets, those top two brackets, and bring them back up to the Clinton rate. I believe there's no supply side effect there. We did it in 1993 people said we were going to destroy the economy, in fact we had the longest expansion...in American history. I would leave the middle-class tax cuts intact for a limited period because I do think that the probability is higher that we're going to have slow and bumpy growth than vigorous growth,"

Is it too much to ask that you actually READ the article before responding?
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
03:09 PM on 08/09/2010
The "MAJOR STIMULUS" has already been given by the TAXPAYERS to the BANKSTERS...in the mean time the unemployed can not find work and having difficulty getting extension to compensation. The Rich Govt legislators take care of the own.....period.....everyone else goes wanting.
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nogornc
GOP=Big Intrusive Government
02:55 PM on 08/09/2010
Trouble at the country club, bobby?
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Yikes11
Elbows off the Table
02:54 PM on 08/09/2010
Robert Rubin: Part of that neocon circle of the Chubais Clan whose goal is to keep the access to informationm resources, contacts and wealth within their own counterpart, and this does not include 98% of us.
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dizmo4
01:45 PM on 08/09/2010
I disagree with him on the stimulus point, but I do think he has the right idea when it comes to taxes.
Re-introduce the estate tax and increase the tax rate on the top 10% back to Clinton era levels. I would go a step further and impose a 45% rate on those making above $6 million per year in total income ( salary + bonus + stock options, etc.) To avoid hitting small businesses that file as individuals, create a small business bracket that would be exempt.

The revenue generate won't be huge, not a lot of individuals making above $6 million, but it would be additional revenue that could be targeted at say energy or infrastructure investment. No reason why CEO's that run their company's into the ground and cost thousands of hard working American's their jobs deserve to get a golden parachute that isn't taxed at appropriate levels.
08:25 PM on 08/09/2010
I agree with you. I think Rubin feels like it won't get much worse in terms of unemployment, and the lost jobs, while very detrimental, are an acceptable loss. He wants to ride it out. The deficit does have long term implications, although currently confidence in American securities is extremely high. This would be a problem eventually, but if you do push a stimulus through the potential revenue generated might help alleviate the long term requirements. We really need the infrastructure if we want to compete with the likes of China and India. He's as shortsighted now as when he called for repealing the Glass-Steagall Act.
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kinogod
word farmer
01:01 PM on 08/09/2010
When this out of touch debutant speaks I smell duck butter and butt sweat.
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12:40 PM on 08/09/2010
Rubin, like many overly pragmatic Clintonistas, played the game--even if they knew better.

The Obama-ton, continue-the-Bush-bailout-set seems to lack the Clintonistas basic sanity.

Reject the Administration line, and the Dems might have a chance.Even if Hedge Fund
wife Pelosi is still running a purge of the Dems in the House.

Rangel & Waters are FDR Dems--who backed Hillary--and the doomed Barack-- like Wall St. Pelosi hates them.
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Madbunny
Prison Guard - FireFighter - now a School Teacher
03:22 PM on 08/09/2010
I am dissapoint in you're grammar.

Also, in your lack of coherency, perhaps you'd be willing to rephrase your post so that it makes more sense?
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kmich718
Hope for the best - Prepare for the worst
05:31 PM on 08/09/2010
or any sense..
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BubbaNH
Ciall agus Neart
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BubbaNH
Ciall agus Neart
12:27 PM on 08/09/2010
For all her talk about SB1070, Brewer has almost ignored AZ's other immigration law, the one signed by her predecessor, Napolitano. The Legal AZ Workers Law (LAWA) imposes strict penalties on EMPLOYERS of undocumented persons.

AZ Chamber of Commerce is challenging the law, implemented in 2008 but barely enforced by AZ's 15 counties. Even Joe's Maricopa Cnty has only enforced it three times. Due to be heard by SCOTUS in next session.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org/2010/04/30/arizona-repeal-funds/
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Madbunny
Prison Guard - FireFighter - now a School Teacher
03:23 PM on 08/09/2010
They should just rename SB1070 to "the Scapegoat" law. Actual solutions are tough and complicated so instead lets just blame those guys 'over there'.
11:45 AM on 08/09/2010
Rubin, the former Treasury Secretary who presided over the nearly-fatal deregulation of the financial industry -- then made $126 million nearly killing Citigroup and we should listen to anything this thief says?
03:53 PM on 08/09/2010
My thoughts exactly .The SOB was WRONG on Deregulation and disastrously wrong the regulating Derivatives . He made all that money at City and didn't seem to have a clue as to what the company was actually doing in regard to the Sub Prime Mortgage Market .
They should take him and Larry Summers and Tiny Tim Geithner and send up off on an Ice Flow.

The man has GALL .I guess since Wall Street is OK then the HELL with Main Street .