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Palin Sinking In 2012? Picking Apart The Latest Horse Race Poll

First Posted: 08/16/10 07:55 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:20 PM ET

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I was on vacation last week, but nearly interrupted it when I saw the press release from D.C. public relations firm Clarus, touting the results of its new survey. "PALIN SUPPORT FOR GOP NOMINATION SINKS," the headline blared, followed by this lead paragraph:

A new nationwide survey of Republican voters finds that support for former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to win the GOP's 2012 presidential nomination has fallen by one-third since March, sliding from 18 points to 12 points. Palin is now running in fourth place for the nomination behind former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

The release has several lessons to teach us about how to best interpret horse race polling. First, the headline struck me as overly dramatic, especially when I checked the methodology. The survey, conducted from July 26-27, interviewed just 374 "registered voters nationwide who self-identified as Republicans or as Independents who lean Republican," yielding a reported margin of sampling error of +/- 5%. The March survey interviewed 415 Republicans or Republican leaners, so the margin of error would have been roughly the same.

It's not hard to do the math on that. Eighteen percentage points minus five (or 13%) is less than 12 percentage points plus five (17%). So I assumed, at first glance, that the much heralded drop in Palin's support was not statistically significant.

Problem is, the margin of error is a little more complicated than my quick arithmetic. While the references at the bottom of news articles and press releases rarely explain it, the margin of error gets smaller as a given result gets closer to zero or one hundred percent (explained in more detail here). In this case the sampling error probably shrinks just enough to make 18% and 12% "significantly" different had the two questions asked in March and July been identical (and I say "probably" because without knowing how severely Clarus weighted their samples, I can't calculate the precise margins of error).

And that brings me to the second lesson: The margin of error tells us nothing about what happens when the pollster changes the question, which Clarus did here in two important ways. First, in March Clarus asked Republicans to choose among seven potential candidates: Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Newt Gingrich, Jeb Bush, John Thune, and Mitch Daniels. Last month, they presented nine choices. They dropped Bush (who received 8%) and added Lamar Alexander, Haley Barbour and Tim Pawlenty (who received a combined 8%). So was the apparent change in Palin's support about a decline in her support, or were Barbour, Pawlenty and Alexander collectively more attractive to some potential Palin supporters than Jeb Bush?

Equally important, Clarus changed the root question. In March, they asked Republicans which candidate they "would now most likely favor." On the more recent survey, they asked which they would favor "if you had to vote today." Is it a coincidence that the undecided percentage grew by five points (from 10% to 15%) when respondents were pressed how they would have to vote "today?" I think not.

We might also consider the results of other polls. CNN, which has asked an identical Republican preference question three times this year, shows Palin with exactly the same support a week ago (18%) as in March (18%). A new PPP survey released just this afternoon finds essentially the same result.

Also, a dozen or so national pollsters have been asking national samples of adults or registered voters to rate Palin (favorably or unfavorably), and our chart shows no consistent pattern in their measurements over the course of 2010 (click on the individual black and red dots on the interactive chart below to see the trends of individual pollsters).


And finally, there is a lesson about the value of this sort of horse race question, especially when asked at this stage of the contest. What they tell us about the Republican nomination race shaping up for 2012 is that none of the potential candidates -- not Palin, Romney, Gingrich nor Huckabee -- are the sort dominant front runner likely to begin with a huge advantage based on early name recognition or support. The same was true at this point four years ago when polls showed Rudy Guiliani as the "front runner" in early trial heat questions. Those early "leads" turned out to be meaningless as the real races in the early primary states got underway.

Over the weekend, Kevin Madden, the former press secretary to Mitt Romney during the 2008 campaign, tweeted that "2012 horserace polls are like pre-season football: Fun to watch for a few minutes until you realize they don't matter." That's about right.

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I was on vacation last week, but nearly interrupted it when I saw the press release from D.C. public relations firm Clarus, touting the results of its new survey. "PALIN SUPPORT FOR GOP NOMINATION SIN...
I was on vacation last week, but nearly interrupted it when I saw the press release from D.C. public relations firm Clarus, touting the results of its new survey. "PALIN SUPPORT FOR GOP NOMINATION SIN...
 
 
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ezgoingal 09:22 PM on 08/16/2010
These horse races don't matter much now because of the potential candidates mentioned in this article NOT ONE of them will the Repub's roll out by the end of this year for 2012. I've said for a long time, which also goes according to Repub's long-held strategy,that they are already grooming a sleeper candidate, similar to how they orchestrated Palin's coming out. No differently. The candidate they have  Read More...
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lcr999
scientist
09:57 PM on 09/05/2010
Don't underestimate the American public. If they can elect a puppet like GWB, is it SP that much of a stretch. They could just bring back Cheney to actually run things. UGGGH.
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PJ M
07:34 PM on 09/05/2010
If she sinks much lower, she will descend in the realm of fire and brimstone ......
08:48 PM on 08/30/2010
Ha, if the GOP nominates Palin in 2012 it's a done deal. I don't know why they would pick her; erratic behavior, lack of experience, what does she need to do to show people she's not the right person for the presidency?
04:49 PM on 08/19/2010
What animal is Sarah Palin most like? Vote in the poll.

http://palinbabygate.blogspot.com/
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Ninotchka KS
Public ignorance is corporate bliss
05:58 PM on 08/18/2010
Just like mood rings and the hula hoop, all fads come to an end. However, those 2 fads were not as dangerous as Palin is....
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sus2222
My micro-biology is FULL
02:53 PM on 08/18/2010
Palin STINKING in 2012 ??? How can they predict that?
Its a long time from now. She could Shower or something.
PALIN STINKING seems mean to say. I think they should STOP.”
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Easy420forMe
once divided, nothing left to subtract...
03:31 PM on 08/18/2010
Hey, can't you read??? Are you Emily Letilla?

It says "Palin Sinking" not stinking... I imagine she smells of lavender.
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sus2222
My micro-biology is FULL
03:40 PM on 08/18/2010
OOOHHHHH .... Never mind.
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sus2222
My micro-biology is FULL
03:43 PM on 08/18/2010
Palin's SPEECH COACH...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBM6CBtuHS4

Oswald Bates
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burrs55
Knowledge is Power
01:36 PM on 08/18/2010
Horserace poll though it may be, it is still kind of fun to read! She learned how to make $$ from all of this, whatever the end result.
12:01 PM on 08/18/2010
Do you really think she would be a candidate for President?
She would have to take a paycut,fire her ghostwriters and speak to real people instead of just the Fox groupies!
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Icecube
Fortuna's #1 Leykis 101 graduate
12:43 PM on 08/18/2010
Those speeches to real people would be "MUST SEE TV" .
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NoPretenses
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09:14 AM on 08/18/2010
Shucks the first two words of this headline is not what I had hoped.
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09:14 AM on 08/18/2010
This wasn't about Palin; it was about statistics.
So I'll save my hilarious Palin comment for a different article.
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foxnewsFAKENEWS
09:04 AM on 08/18/2010
OK Sarah, what are my bagger thinking points for today?
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11:15 AM on 08/18/2010
You can think? I thought Nancy Pelosi did all your thinking??
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Taylor123
He speaks his truth!!!
08:42 AM on 08/18/2010
It seems the GOP has found a compelling reason to shove her in a drawer, after they have wrung her dry of course. Sorry Sarah, it was never going to happen any way. At least you get to be rich!
07:17 AM on 08/18/2010
She could get a million $$$ for doing Hustler. I'll buy a copy.

What's the big deal? Being from Alaska, she knows all about beavers.
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sus2222
My micro-biology is FULL
02:59 PM on 08/18/2010
She's got a PET BEAVER ???
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PJ M
07:36 PM on 09/05/2010
She would refuse to pose without her chastity belt on !!!!!!!
12:49 AM on 08/18/2010
Thank God, people are finally coming to their senses. There is hope. Romney or Huckabee will work just fine thank you. Can't support Gingrich though, his ego is off the charts.
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conservativelady
08:07 PM on 08/21/2010
I just became a fan, thank goodness there are some others out there who think like you.
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aview999
11:11 PM on 08/17/2010
Smack down....at PG's:

"As I've mentioned here numerous times... I do not believe Sarah graduated from college. I've mentioned several reasons, and I've been really enjoying reading people's thoughts and research. Go, Palingates!

"But I realized, the biggest reason I don't think she graduated? Is simple. Sarah has a track record of FAILURE. She has very superficial abilities.
She was in the marching band but her dad helped her skip out by lying about an injury.
She played on the basketball team, but wasn't one of the best players and was known for her meanspiritedness.
She claims she's a runner - who has ever seen her run?
She joined the PTA and they soon learned to ignore her promises.
She had kids, but how often was she there for them?
She was elected mayor after a "hate campaign", then couldn't do the work.
She was on the Alaska Gas and Oil Commission but quit.
She became governor, and quit.
She dictated a book because she couldn't write it.
She ran for VP and freaked out, quit eating, and went catatonic on them... as well as not cooperating.
Repeatedly, people say that she's charming when you meet her (unless you have a sign up saying WORST GOVERNOR EVER) but that fades rapidly.

"Some people grow up learning to be successful. Sarah grew up learning to lie to conceal her failure. She says she graduated from college. Please explain to me why I should believe her on that.
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conservativelady
08:11 PM on 08/21/2010
You should post some links on why you think she didn't graduate. I think if she did, she must have cheated and had someone else do the work for her just like she has others do the work for her now, writing her tweets and books. Really, it's not far-fetched that you think she lied about graduating. Palin has a history of being a liar to make herself look good. She acts so pathological and then tries to cover her tracks by saying she is a Christian.