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'Ground Zero Mosque' Debate Divides New York Democrats

BETH FOUHY   08/19/10 06:52 AM ET   AP

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New York House Democrats have been opposing the construction of a $100 million Islamic center two blocks from the World Trade Center site.

NEW YORK — As vulnerable congressional Democrats weigh how to respond to President Barack Obama's statements on Muslims' right to build a mosque near ground zero, those in New York and closest to the controversy are staying silent or scrambling away.

Democrats control both Senate seats and 27 of the state's 29 Congressional districts, but analysts believe as many as eight House Democrats in the state may be headed to defeat this year. Republicans, hoping to ease Democrats' grip on the state, insist the economy remains the major campaign issue but say the mosque flap could also help move voters their way.

From eastern Long Island to more rural upstate areas, House Democrats have been opposing the construction of a $100 million Islamic center two blocks from the World Trade Center site. More than 2,700 people died there on Sept. 11, 2001, at the hands of Islamic terrorists, and the wound remains fresh for many New Yorkers who are still traumatized by the attacks or who lost loved ones that day.

Developers of the planned Islamic center known as Park51 have plans for a 13-story structure featuring a pool, gym and 500-seat auditorium, as well as a mosque and Sept. 11 memorial. It's a project of the Cordoba Initiative, a New York-based nonprofit group that promotes greater understanding between Islam and the West.

Obama told a largely Islamic crowd over Ramadan dinner last week that he believed Muslims have a right to build the mosque and practice their religion there. A day later, he said he wasn't passing judgment on the wisdom of building an Islamic center at that location.

The latest Democrat to break with Obama is Rep. John Hall, a two-term incumbent expected to face a strong challenge from Republican Nan Hayworth in the 19th district north of New York City.

In a statement released Wednesday, Hall said freedom of religion was essential to democracy but that he hoped the project would be constructed elsewhere.

"I think honoring those killed on Sept. 11 and showing sensitivity to their families, it would be best if the center were built at a different location," Hall said.

Hall joins three other House Democrats believed to be vulnerable in November who have announced their opposition to the project.

In eastern Long Island, four-term Rep. Tim Bishop said ground zero should be a symbol of interfaith understanding. If developers of the Islamic center are seeking such unity, they should move the project, he said.

In Staten Island, the most conservative of New York City's five boroughs, Democratic Rep. Mike McMahon said the project was a local matter and shouldn't come under federal jurisdiction. Nonetheless, he said he hoped it would be moved.

"I believe a new location is the right compromise so that Muslim Americans can worship without eliciting feelings that push us away from our country's basic tenet of religious acceptance while the families of 9/11 victims obtain the peace of mind they deserve," McMahon said.

A few vulnerable Democrats have chosen to stay silent on the matter, including Syracuse-area Rep. Dan Maffei, Rep. Bill Owens in northern New York and Albany-area Rep. Scott Murphy.

Murphy's Republican opponent, Chris Gibson, posted a statement on Facebook appearing to support the Islamic center project, saying, "It's either all or nothing – churches, mosques and synagogues should be treated the same." He later issued a clarification, saying he didn't think building a mosque near ground zero was a good idea.

There was a bit of a role-reversal in the Utica-area district where two-term Rep. Mike Arcuri is facing a strong challenge from Republican Richard Hanna. Arcuri was the first New York Democrat to break with Obama on the project, while Hanna initially said he didn't have a problem with it.

"This country was founded by people who were running away from religious persecution. So how can we become what we have beheld and found contemptible in other places?" Hanna said in a statement. He later switched course, saying it was insensitive to locate the project at ground zero.

Justin Phillips, an assistant professor at Columbia University who studies state elections, said the rejection of the mosque by vulnerable Democrats wasn't surprising.

"The Democrats who are going to lose in 2010 are from moderate to conservative districts, so these are the Democrats who are trying to be very careful in their handling of this issue," Phillips said. "They don't want to take an unpopular position on anything right now."

Indeed, Democratic Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who faces only token opposition as he seeks his 10th term, has been one of the most outspoken advocates of the project. Nadler's district includes the World Trade Center site.

Democratic Rep. Carolyn Maloney, who faces a feisty primary challenge from attorney Reshma Saujani, announced her support for the Islamic Center two weeks ago but is being pushed by Saujani to speak out more forcefully. The primary is Sept. 14.

"This is a major debate unfolding in our city and country, and our leaders ... are weighing in with lukewarm statements," said Saujani, who strongly supports the project.

The matter has even quieted the state's normally garrulous senior senator, Chuck Schumer, who is seeking re-election this year and has yet to weigh in on the controversy that is roiling the state. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, who is also facing voters this fall, has issued terse statements of support for the center but said she would also back efforts to move it if community members decided to do so.

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Hank10303 11:43 AM on 08/19/2010
Only in a hate filled heart could a multicultural community center be perceived as a terrorist associated Mosque that I would guess, pray for death and post suicidal virgins for glory. Only in that sick and disgusting heart could a man born of this country and of the Muslim faith who served and still serves as a consultant for the FBI and has contributed in ways that have protected the very people that  Read More...
12:57 PM on 08/20/2010
1. Islam is not building the religious facility. Imam Rauf is.
2. He couldn't have built there until the Burlington Coat Factory closed because of the damage done to it by 9-11.
3. He said he's building there because of 9-11.
4. 1 muslim died for every 30 non-muslims in 9-11.

Differential slaughter by religion, race, age or gender at a ratio of 30:1 gets noticed whether it should or not. And a decent person would notice it and think "I probably shouldn't equate the suffering of my community with the suffering of other communities who rightly or wrongly will view their suffering by categories (black, white, Jewish, Christian, rich, poor etc.)" when one of my faith died for every 30 not of my faith."

They would think "even though the murderers of 9-11 believe NOTHING that I believe, even though I don't consider them co-religionists, BECAUSE those fools shouted the name of my God before they murdered 3000 of my fellow Americans, I should not build a large place of worship on a spot MADE AVAILABLE by that atrocity, because I will bring needless pain to those other 2900 people's families, and other communities, even though they WRONGLY associate me with the atrocity."

Any decent cleric of any religion would think that. But Rauf doesn't. Islam is not the problem. Imam Rauf is the problem.
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Malby Lewis
10:17 PM on 08/19/2010
"The wound remains fresh for many New Yorkers who are still traumatized by the attacks or who lost loved ones that day." Hey, people, get over yourselves. It's 2010. Your sensitive little souls do NOT trump the Constitution. I thought New Yorkers were tough, not drama queens.
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CraiginPhoenix
08:11 PM on 08/19/2010
It is a slap in the face to the innocent muslims that were murdered on 9/11 not to build this mosque.
04:45 PM on 08/19/2010
Why I am an independent: Dems and Republicans; NO GUTS, NO COJONES!
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Banghouse
Clear visioned Realist
05:38 PM on 08/19/2010
More like No Guts, and toooo much Cojones!
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Dustee
R-U Caught Up in all of those Republican LIES?
10:57 AM on 08/20/2010
So, who're you going to vote for...a Democrat or a Republican?
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Giverny
Truthiness
03:35 PM on 08/19/2010
Since when it is constitutional law to be disregarded?
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Jackie Dambra
03:28 PM on 08/19/2010
I live on Long Island not 40 minutes from the city, and the truth is that MOST New Yorkers do not want this built so close to ground zero. Move it and worship somewhere else, its still a very sensative topic. Please, honor those who lost their lives, If they really cared about fostering a good relationship, they wouldn't have intentionally done this. While the rest of the country may have forgotten a little bit, I was there. I was only 8 but I still remember that day. Do not take this so lightly.
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Banghouse
Clear visioned Realist
05:41 PM on 08/19/2010
You were only 8? All the more reason why we should ignore your comment. Thank Bush for making Americans think that all Muslims are bad. It wouldn't be a sensitive issue if we believed in our hearts that Muslim aren't our enemies.
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Banghouse
Clear visioned Realist
05:42 PM on 08/19/2010
correction = Muslims
03:14 PM on 08/19/2010
Democrats are also breaking ranks on the illegal immigration issue.

What advantage will they hold come November?
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Dustee
R-U Caught Up in all of those Republican LIES?
11:07 AM on 08/20/2010
Not so. Some of us do and a lot of us don't. But Republicans are c razy all the time, even in November.
03:12 PM on 08/19/2010
More Democrats that Al Franken Mocks
02:44 PM on 08/19/2010
I have to say that I find it somewhat amusing that some of the people that are screaming that the mosque should go up because of rights with private property, are coming up to my hometown, and screaming that I should not mow my lawn on the weekend, as it disturbs their peace.
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Giverny
Truthiness
03:38 PM on 08/19/2010
Agreed, one inch and then a mile...... ~ fanned
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hankashley
Catholic who votes like a citizen not a Catholic.
02:33 PM on 08/19/2010
Hmm, let me get this straight. The argument is "we know you have the right to do it, but we don't want you to because we think it's in bad taste".
I think my mother almost didn't get to come to my wedding over some similar nonsense she stirred up with my soon to be wife.
Stupidity never takes a day off.
02:51 PM on 08/19/2010
The balance between right and discretion is always at play in a civil society. What could possibly be more fundamental to a deomcracy?

Would you say the same thing when Wal-Mart wants to move into your neighborhood, triple the traffic and put your favorite ice-cream store out of business?

Just because you COULDA does NOT mean you SHOULDA
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hankashley
Catholic who votes like a citizen not a Catholic.
03:00 PM on 08/19/2010
Walmart did move into my neighborhood last year. I didn't like it. They had all of the rights to it. If it wasn't Walmart, it would have been Target or something else.
So, is that really your point? A fear of Walmarting America by force? Or is it Islam? Or is it something else? Whatever list of reasons you have, who cares? Does it trump the right to build what they want, where they want it? Does it seriously matter?
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Malby Lewis
10:20 PM on 08/19/2010
What could possibly be more fundamental to a democracy? How about the Constitution. What hypocrites.
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David01
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02:30 PM on 08/19/2010
The real issue is the economy and the GOP caused Great Recession, and the GOP caused great deficit, and the fact that the GOP is doing anything it can to stall a recovery.
This is just another wedge issue to distract the voters.
They ought to postpone any decision-making about the mosque until after the election.
02:19 PM on 08/19/2010
circular firing squad
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Yikes11
02:16 PM on 08/19/2010
The dems fell into the trap, once again.
sarabono
Oldie but Goody
01:54 PM on 08/19/2010
I doubt if the members of the various NYC Construction Unions will allow this "Cordoba" facility to be built at this location. This whole issue will soon become mute.
02:34 PM on 08/19/2010
Haha you obviously don't know anything about construction or unions. There are so many projects in the city that have been stopped because of the lack of funds being provided by banks in this recession. The unions and contractors will be fighting over who gets to build this thing even if it was right smack dab in the middle of tower 1. There is one thing that speaks louder then religion and family, and that's MONEY$$$$.
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Malby Lewis
10:20 PM on 08/19/2010
If only you would become moot.
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Lukester