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Howard Dean's Democracy For America Breaks With Him On Mosque Debate


First Posted: 08/19/10 05:28 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:25 PM ET

UPDATE: Former Governor Dean appeared on "Countdown" Thursday to talk more about Park51. Scroll down to watch Dean's exchange with Olbermann.

The grassroots political organization founded by Howard Dean after the 2004 presidential election has made a dramatic break with the former DNC chairman over the construction of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero.

Democracy for America, a million-plus member organization that is active on a host of legislative fronts, formally endorsed the controversial Cordoba House on Thursday, one day after its founding figure called for the project to be built elsewhere.

In a letter sent to members, the group's executive director, Arshad Hasan, weaves together his personal history with a detailed explanation of the project's lofty and noble objectives. In a direct but diplomatic touch, he addresses Dean's opposition only by explaining that "well-intentioned" Democrats are "getting caught up" in the anti-mosque hysteria. "It's not helping," writes Hasan.

[L]et's be clear, the subject of the highest profile Muslim structure, 51 Park in New York City, will have a basketball court and a culinary school. Two floors will have a prayer room. The other eleven will host movie nights, performances, group dinners, etc -- it's basically a Muslim YMCA, open to everyone. These moderate Muslims are doing everything we could ask of them. They're trying to build a bridge in the communities they live in, trying to show the world that Muslims are cool and interesting and diverse, and proving that being a Muslim does not equal being a terrorist.


But they're being thrown under the bus by our elected leaders, egged on by some of the ugliest elements of the right-wing. Well-intentioned leaders of the Democratic Party are getting caught up in the fray as well, some of them seeking to find common ground with an implacable opposition. It's not helping.

This isn't just a Manhattan problem. Right now, there is opposition to mosques in Staten Island, Brooklyn, Southern California, Kentucky, Tennessee, Georgia, Illinois, and dozens of other locations across our nation. Where would they move? If public pressure can be brought to bear to take down the most high-profile Muslim community center in liberal NYC, then these other places don't even have a chance, Ground Zero connection or not.

Frankly, this isn't about Ground Zero. This is about America. This is about freedom. This is about people and there seems to be no place that Muslim people can go without being harassed.

The harassment has to stop, and that starts with you and me.

I think most people agree that Muslims have the right to worship. But these efforts to harass Muslims are based in fear, prejudice, and ignorance. Removing a community center doesn't solve these problems. But talking about religious freedom -- really engaging people -- can open people's minds, and blunt the prejudice.

DFA's endorsement illustrates some of the obvious disagreements that have begun dividing not just the Democratic Party but also the progressive community in the mosque debate. The project has vehement support from the majority of party figures. But a host of Democrats have expressed reservations with the proposal as well.

Dean disappointed the pro-construction crowd when he told a radio station on Wednesday that he thought the mosque would be "a real affront to people who lost their lives" on 9/11. The former DNC chair stood by his position in an interview with the Huffington Post on Wednesday night, stressing that he wouldn't have a problem if the proposed Islamic cultural center is eventually built but thought it would be better to find a compromise location.

"It won't upset me," Dean said, "except I think it is a missed opportunity to show some flexibility... I don't believe all this nonsense the right wing is putting out about radicals and all that stuff. I take the congregation at its word that it is a moderate congregation trying to heal the wounds of 9/11. But the best way to heal the wounds is not to have a court battle, but to sit down and try to work things out."

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UPDATE: Former Governor Dean appeared on "Countdown" Thursday to talk more about Park51. Scroll down to watch Dean's exchange with Olbermann. The grassroots political organization founded by Howard D...
UPDATE: Former Governor Dean appeared on "Countdown" Thursday to talk more about Park51. Scroll down to watch Dean's exchange with Olbermann. The grassroots political organization founded by Howard D...
 
 
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GENE DEVAUX
Political activist, degrees in Accounting and Econ
02:28 PM on 09/01/2010
I was stunned by what Howard Dean said on Countdown. He is not standing by his principles and the DFA was absolutely right to break with him on the Community Center non-issue. As a former supporter of Howard Dean and the DFA, I was totally revolted by his wishy washy, let's compromise position on the community center. I realize that this is a hot button, wedge issue for the Republicans, but this is the time for our real leaders, as Howard Dean used to be, to stand up and tell the truth. Mayor Blumberg has taken the correct course in not backing down to a mis-informed public misconception. Three cheers Michael, come back to the Democrats and give us some great leadership.
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Dr. Jonathan David Farley
mathematician
05:35 AM on 08/23/2010
This is Howard "I Love the Confederate Flag" Dean. Why are you surprised.
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bryan broome
Welcome back my friends 2 the show that never ends
09:00 PM on 08/23/2010
Wake up.
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11:59 PM on 08/22/2010
All these political pundits do not matter. It comes down to the simple fact that Mosque will never get built.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41238.html
http://dailycaller.com/2010/08/20/hardhats-vow-not-to-work-on-controversial-mosque-near-ground-zero/

The Muslims behind the "Islam Center" two blocks from Ground Zero wanted to teach America about Islam. They have. We know that the particular Muslims behind this project are hard hearted, stubborn and do not care who they hurt. They are not projecting a good image of Islam.
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DrBlunt
Telling it like it is....
01:10 AM on 08/23/2010
"...that Mosque will never get built."

I Believe, IT WILL.
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bryan broome
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09:02 PM on 08/23/2010
Sure it will. Down the block if our leaders have any sensitivity to the families of the victims.
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Dr. Jonathan David Farley
mathematician
05:32 AM on 08/23/2010
You mean, if they don't do exactly what you order them to do, they are "not projecting a good image of Islam"? You're an idiot.
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KidShalleen
If I'm posted, a moderator is asleep.
08:13 AM on 08/23/2010
I'm with you, Doc. It doesn't take much intelligence to realize that as stated in the First Amendment, freedom of Religion is immutable. It has no amendments. It's not to be voted on. It is, what it is. Fanned
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JackWhistle
11:57 PM on 08/22/2010
I wonder if he even realizes how he just killed any future political ambition he might have.
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nick1936
09:53 PM on 08/22/2010
Dr Dean i am surprised that you have taken the FOX NOISE APPROACH
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Sibil
Fringe Left is no better then Fringe Right
07:30 PM on 08/22/2010
If a Mosque cannot be built near Ground Zero, then NO Christian church should ever be built near the Alfred P. Murrah building in Oklahoma as it would be an afront to the familes who lost loved ones there @ the hands of Timothy McVeigh who was a self described Christian..
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MalleusMaleficarum
Global nomad.
03:00 PM on 08/22/2010
Doctor Dean prescribed the wrong pill, swallowed it and is now on life support. This morning on Christiane Amanpour, Daisy Khan articulated the real reason to put Park51 Muslim Community Center right where local government approved it: as a smack in the face of Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaida. Daisy Khan and her husband, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, have been fighting against Bin Laden every day since 9/11 -- and they want to erect what would become one of the Islamic world's most important sites close enough to Ground Zero to send a message to Muslim terrorists -- America is a land of religious freedom even for Muslims. That will undermine Islamist extremism severely, and if they are forced to move -- it will encourage extremism. Which do you choose? I say, let freedom ring and send a message to Osama - America stands fast for religious freedom.
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pj-smith
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10:55 AM on 08/22/2010
Dean's response is: OK, many people are upset by this, let's just move along, and find another spot. I must agree with him. The ignorant among us are sucked into the negative hype of the location of the Islamic Community Center, and as a result make it an issue. The more educated and informed among us must take the logical and path of least resistance. This is a minor issue...let's move on.

I love my Doctor Dean and always will.
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clemmers
The rich require an abundant supply of the poor.
11:00 AM on 08/22/2010
Yes, it's a great idea in theory. In practice, the rabid right wing will not just move along. They see any compromise as defeat, and keep pushing. Bullies do not stop just because you move to another spot on the playground; they stop when you confront them.
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bryan broome
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09:10 PM on 08/22/2010
Sounds like you got beatup as a child. I think it's time you got over it.
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MissRoseNylund
Shares house with Blanche, Dorothy and Sophia.
06:57 PM on 08/22/2010
It's not a minor issue. That neighborhood is heavily Muslim. Their mosque is already in their neighborhood, By asking them to move the Park51 Project, you are asking people who live in that neighborhood to build their community center in another area, because they might upset people who don't live in that neighborhood.
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captspock
10:49 AM on 08/22/2010
I live and work in nyc,I come in contact with more diverse cultures in one week than most people do in 50 lifetimes [I interface with many U.N. employees]
I knew many of the firefighters,two personal friends,a woman who's husband was killed and was left to raise two children,I see her 5 times a month.
I live the results of 9/11 daily, it is not an abstraction to me.
The constitution rules,thats who we are.
Build the cultural center in lower Manhattan,we are a free and and brave people,aren't we ?
10:33 PM on 08/22/2010
Yup, we are Building the Community Center will say that we did not let the terrorists fill us with so much fear that they changed us.
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FACTISFACT
A war veteran. Finally retired
10:16 AM on 08/22/2010
The world has been taken hostage by few low grade unscrupulous Politicians by the use of religious in fights to get to power.

It has been the case all along since fight for power came into being to rule over one another. So, nothing is surprising, what is surprising is to observe how these unscrupulous sex scandalous sinners, sodomite, abuser of others wives in the absence of their husbands, criminals, liars having no connection with any religious knowledge work on egos and emotions of humankind and muscle strength.

They work at all level both literate and illiterate and lead them to a catastrophic event's end of no return that is dangerous and detrimental to the very existence of congenial living atmosphere in the country.

These Politicians are least bothered about nation's welfare. The example is already on record when GOP wanted to strangulate the Jobless American citizens to death and blame the ruling party. But with God Almighty's Blessings the President personally perused the extension of the Jobless Fund case with unscrupulous people obstructed stating the allowance will make the JOBLESS DEPENDENT ON GOVERNMENT ALLOWANCE.

These Horrible unscrupulous human killers have their tools to make their sinful aims and objective a success. These tools are Electronic Medias, writers hired criminals, and they being Politician so called public leaders influence people of importance to make their evil designed plan successful.

All that is being done to achieve the political aims and objectives by divisive Issues will have serious adverse impact.
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MissRoseNylund
Shares house with Blanche, Dorothy and Sophia.
12:32 AM on 08/22/2010
I watched Dean on KO, and he really couldn't explain why the builders of Park51 should meet with people who have an irrational fear of all things muslim. Dean asked for compromise, but it seemed like he meant only on the part of the builders. He talked positively about Governor Patterson's idea to move it to another site. Does he really think that moving the project out of that neighborhood is going to make haters happy? I really lost respect for Howard Dean on this issue.
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HowdyDoody
Freud Woman
01:33 AM on 08/22/2010
Me, too. He is so clueless about what is really going on. The neighborhood dialogue has been taking place for months, as the process has gone forward. Dean has a problem of shooting from the hip, and he really got caught by KO. He just kept repeating the same thing over and over, without any context or knowledge of the facts behind his statements.
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pj-smith
no comment
10:56 AM on 08/22/2010
wrong. it's a small issue, let's move along and solve real problems we face. DEan is a hero.
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HowdyDoody
Freud Woman
12:44 PM on 08/22/2010
Dean absolutely is a hero. That doesn't mean he's right about everything. And freedom to worship (or not) is not a small issue, particularly when we've got a semi-educated populace that currently wants to destroy the Constitution. Let's see, that would be Amendments, 1, 14, 17 and counting.
10:39 PM on 08/22/2010
It isn't a small issue to the Muslim world, who Bush and Obama have both tried to convince that we weren't at war with Islam. Holding Americans who are Muslim to a different standard than everyone else tells the Muslim world that America really is at war with Islam. It will be what the terrorists need to recruit more members.

We need to show them that we hold the terrorists responsible for 9/11, and not all Muslims.
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DAVROS1
11:52 PM on 08/21/2010
What do the words Liberal and Conservative really mean?

I am labeled a Liberal yet:

I want to “conserve” the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, ensuring equal protection under the law for all of our citizens.

I want to “conserve” our economy by restoring Glass-Steagall and other Corporate regulations that ensure healthy economic activity.

I want to “conserve” a safe and secure standard of living for elderly Americans by NOT messing around with Social Security and Medicare.

I want to “conserve” our labor force by preventing greedy corporate interests from shipping jobs overseas in order to save 10 cents on some nameless widget.

I want to “conserve” our environment from the reckless destruction brought on by our industrial carelessness.

On the other hand those who call themselves Conservative:

Applaud Liberal interpretations of the Constitution that allows Corporations to spend endless amounts of money on elections.

Applaud Liberal interpretations of the Constitution that allows for the Government to spy on Americans.

Applaud Liberal interpretations of the Geneva Conventions that allows for the torture of prisoners.

Applaud laws that allow for lax and “liberal” regulation of business, enabling the worst financial disaster in history and quite possibly the destruction of the planet.

Applaud Liberal interpretations of history that suggest America is a Christian Nation.

Applaud Liberal interpretations of the idea of separation of church and state only when it keeps the state out of their religion and only when the religion involved is Christian.
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MissRoseNylund
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12:14 AM on 08/22/2010
I faved and fanned you despite you being the father of the Daleks!
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DAVROS1
12:19 AM on 08/22/2010
Hello Ms Nylund. How are things in St Olaf?
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Rosaleen
This is supposed to be clever and witty
12:45 AM on 08/22/2010
Fabulous post. Thank you.
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John Mainstream
I'm a Clinton Democrat that is now an independent.
11:02 PM on 08/21/2010
Don't look for Dr. Dean to flip flop, like Obama did.
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John Mainstream
I'm a Clinton Democrat that is now an independent.
11:01 PM on 08/21/2010
Dean for President in 2012!
02:43 AM on 08/22/2010
OMDB
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pj-smith
no comment
10:58 AM on 08/22/2010
OH, the only politician I love....seconded!
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John Mainstream
I'm a Clinton Democrat that is now an independent.
10:59 PM on 08/21/2010
Dean/Clinton in 2012!
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admiralj
I support the Stewart/Colbert ticket in '14
02:00 AM on 08/22/2010
Don't worry about '12. Lets think about '16.......how about Grayson/Dean? Lets try that out for size.
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09:42 PM on 08/22/2010
smells like an issue to me lets promogulate.
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bryan broome
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08:03 PM on 08/22/2010
Excellant idea.
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admiralj
I support the Stewart/Colbert ticket in '14
09:46 PM on 08/22/2010
"I think he is seeing the writing on the wall for Obama. I'm a big supporter of O, but he has been really letting me down lately. "

Looks like the censors took this post down. But that can't stop me from replying.

Glad to hear your supportive of the Grayson/Dean ticket. Or who ever else Grayson decides to choose. I too am a big supporter of BO. And yes, I too feel he is coming up short in my expectations. But as far as I'm concerned, the other side is just not an acceptable choice. My answer to them is what they have expressed so often, NO!