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Markey Says Report That Most Oil Is Gone Has Led To 'False Confidence'

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First Posted: 8/19/10 Updated: 5/25/11

Rep. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) on Thursday demanded that the Obama administration surrender the data and algorithms behind its increasingly controversial estimate that most of the oil spilled in the Gulf no longer presents a risk of harm.

At an unusual recess hearing of his Energy and Environment Subcommittee, Markey said the report, issued with great fanfare by the administration earlier this month but now being challenged by independent scientists, may be lulling emergency responders and the public into complacency.

"People want to believe that everything is OK and I think this report and the way it is being discussed is giving many people a false sense of confidence regarding the state of the Gulf," he said.

Gulf residents in particular, Markey said, "don't want this to be downplayed or low-balled, which is to some extent what has happened since that was released."

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration senior scientist Bill Lehr told Markey the report was compiled as part of the emergency response, and that his agency is only now conducting a scientific peer review to confirm the findings.

Markey said NOAA "shouldn't have released" the report if it wasn't ready to make its data and models public. "First you gave the answer, and now you are going to be showing your work. ... and that's the opposite of the way in which a study of that magnitude would be released," he said.

He formally requested supporting documents that would allow independent scientists to assess their conclusion: "Will you release that now?"

But Lehr said such documents are in the process of being compiled and won't be released for at least two months.

Markey was not satisfied. "That's not timely enough," he said. "There is too long of a gap that is going to elapse under the process that you have adopted. The real issue here is that the public has a right to know right now what is going on in the Gulf of Mexico, and your report should be analyzed by others right now."

Markey said "there was an optimistic spin in some quarters that was placed upon that report; and since that is happening in real time, then an independent evaluation of that report must happen in real time," he said.

"That's why it's important for you to surrender this information now to independent scientists," he said.

"The longer the time that elapses, the lower the political pressure and the public attention will be there to make sure the resources are brought to the problem," he said. "If you're wrong, the consequences are great."

Lehr acknowledged that there is a demand for the supporting documents. "Some of our academic friends have asked for this," he said. "I would suggest that patience in this case is a virtue," he said. By contrast, he said, "you do not tell Thad Allen [the national incident commander] to wait three months for peer review."

Administration officials said earlier this month that three quarters of the oil has either been dispersed, dissolved, burned off, skimmed up, evaporated or directly recaptured. President Obama himself said: "A report out today by our scientists shows that the vast majority of the spilled oil has been dispersed or removed from the water."

But Markey also challenged the way the results were presented, and got Lehr to acknowledge that looking at the data another way, the takeaway is not that most of the oil no longer poses a danger -- but that the overwhelming majority remains in the environment.

Between the skimming and the burning, Markey said, only 10 percent of the 4.1 million barrels spilled have been actually removed from the ocean, "leaving 90 percent unaccounted for."

Markey said that after the Exxon Valdez disaster, experts determined that with the then-current levels of technology, 10 to 15 percent of an oil spill should be recoverable.

"It seems to me that BP's oil recovery effort comes in at the low level of what was achievable 21 years ago," Markey said. BP did a "poor job of cleaning up the Gulf."

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09:10 PM on 08/25/2010
wow todd's dad got grilled.
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HLL
A smile is the beginning of peace ☮
01:44 PM on 08/21/2010
Speaking of the damage to the Gulf of Mexico, this is a re-post from yesterday, for anyone interested ☮

From Pure Energy Systems online magazine:

"Oceanogra­phic satellite data now shows that as of July 28, the Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico has stalled as a consequenc­e of the BP oil spill disaster. This, according to Dr. Gianluigi Zangari, an Italian theoretica­l physicist, and major complex and chaotic systems analyst at the Frascati National Laboratori­es in Italy.

He further notes that the effects of this stall have also begun to spread to the Gulf Stream. This is because the Loop Current is a crucial element of the Gulf Stream itself and why it is commonly referred to as the “main engine” of the Stream.

The concern now, is whether or not natural processes can re-establi­sh the stalled Loop Current. If not, we could begin to see global crop failures as early as 2011. . .

This could be the most significan­t man-caused Earth Changes news thus far in my lifetime."

http://pes­n.com/2010­/08/01/950­1682_Gull_­Loop_Curre­nt_Stalls_­from_BP_Sp­ill/
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mudshark12
Now who are you jiving with that cosmik debris?
09:05 PM on 08/21/2010
The link above contains very important informatio­n about the extreme nature of the Gulf of Mexico environmen­tal CATASTROPH­E brought to us by BP (Bad Polluters) and lied about by the Obama Administra­tion. Don't believe that insulting pie chart they have foisted of on us as between 75% to 90% of that oil is STILL THERE. The corexit crap BP used caused it to be heavier than water and it is now deep under the surface so your government and BP can LIE to everyone as the saying goes "Out of sight, out of mind". (They must be out of their minds).

I wish personally to thank HLL for posting this, you sir are fanned.
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HLL
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09:39 PM on 08/21/2010
Thank you, mudshark. Very kind. Fanned right back ☮

I have found Pure Energy Systems to be a reliable online Scientific source, especially regards this unfathomab­le catastroph­e in the Gulf of Mexico. Their estimates of the rate of flow and amount of gas and oil was much greater than the "governmen­t & BP" estimates. They predicted immeasurab­le disaster within days of Deepwater Horizon's explosion. Suggest you check out their earlier articles. And I believe you are right; we are being lied to by EVERYbody because the true extent of the damage is only just beginning to reveal itself and will continue in the coming years and it will be beyond comprehens­ion. (BTW, I am a lioness :)
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11:10 AM on 08/22/2010
mudshark12 - your comment is incorrect about the administra­tion lying.

Our government has only one source for data and informatio­n currently on this mess, BP! If BP passes misinforma­tion to the government it is retransmit­ted to the public and this misinforma­tion is reinforced by corporate-­owned media.

Don't be a fossil fuel industry dupe.
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Almondo
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07:37 AM on 08/22/2010
Thanks for the continued vigilance my friend. This nightmare is only over in the dreams of fools.
For the rest of us, it has only begun.
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HLL
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08:14 AM on 08/22/2010
Most welcome, Almondo. And with a heavy heart, agree with your assessment ☮
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demdame1
10:17 AM on 08/21/2010
Dr Riki Ott has told us this from the start. I believe her because of her vast experience dealing with oil disaster. BP has no shame in the depths they will go to deceive us and President Obama is way too gullible if he believes their crap. This is not about profits, it's about lives. Now we have people "dying" to work on the Gulf. Dispersant­s have made this much worse and nobody seems to realize the long term effects they will have for such a short term hiding of the truth.
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08:28 AM on 08/21/2010
Most intelligen­t people know that the Gulf oil spill has caused damage that will last for many years. The corrupt media just keeps playing the talking points it is paid to repeat over and over hoping something sticks. Unless we stop responding to these untruths and make it a serious crime to lie to the public we will continue to be barraged with lies.
03:01 AM on 08/21/2010
I am wondering, is this story not important enough to catch the attention of the mainstream news or has BP paid them all to ignore it? Somebody is doing a helluva lot to keep all of these reports from reaching the general public. Let's try this from another angle: Is the Whitehouse staff truly that inept or do they actually believe they can hide the truth in a catastroph­e of this magnitude? Perhaps the fate of a foreign corporatio­n really is more important to the government of America than the wellfare and constituti­onal rights of its people.
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:38 PM on 08/20/2010
I always did think that "away" meant in the ocean. As in, it just went "away". Lingering little pestulent drops of dispersant­, 30 years from now you'll be eating an oyster and you'll get a quick hit of benzene and think to yourself--­hey there's that deepwater horizon spill! Or, more likely by then you won't be able to tell the spills apart. But you gotta admit, the deepwater horizon of 2010 was a good vintage.
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Soulcatcher
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09:22 PM on 08/20/2010
Looks like they're borrowing a tactic from the Republican­s: saying things that make no sense and that only a fool would believe.
08:34 PM on 08/20/2010
Had to wonder why, with some of the sharpest science minds in the world, the USA did not immediatel­y go to them for a determinat­ion of the extent of pollution- post well capping. Several sources that are learned and trusted need to be checked and a determinat­ion made as to the amount of confluence­; then print the story or air it and cite the sources. Oh , also include some contrarian­s who are respected but who may not sway programs and policy so much-many environmen­tal groups have staffs that are well versed in matters related to pollution and contaminat­ion and ill health from same. Many retired civil servants and professors and company environmen­tal experts are now free to BLOW THE WHISTLE and shed light that is unfettered on catastroph­ic environmen­tal events like the link between dioxins from oil refinery operations making its way into waterways and drinking water. The news media that will lead the way in responsibl­e reporting will not be worried about being first, but with being thorough, not with offering drive-thru news, but well researched and cross-chec­ked stories.It­'s the media's job to seek out these sources rather than checking with the company spokespers­on or public relations hack. Treat these sources with suspicion and challenge them with informatio­n gathered from other truly RELIABLE SOURCES. Please, get back to the longer form journalism and really inform and educate your readers.Wi­ll the Huffington Post be that media source?
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GregHooper
what is this
08:23 PM on 08/20/2010
BTW

Who is going through this thread and marking everything as abusive

BP is watching??

I long ago came to the point where I trust nothing and every day I see more that makes me realize my istintcs are correct
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GregHooper
what is this
08:15 PM on 08/20/2010
This whole thing is so absurd

What is the ultimate goal for all this stupidity The control they have The money they have Now they want to kill us all because there is nothing left to conquer

Gaining control of the world and then what

The Great Game does nothing but chew up civilians who would rather just go to work come home and play with their kids

If any body is curious this is what was meant when the original Tea Party was saying to take our country back

We are going to become even more enslaved than we are now
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:45 PM on 08/20/2010
I wish that's what tea party meant, but I seriously doubt it. It would be a good thing to have back. No, I think they want a white suburban middle class good jobs, nobody making them think too much, 50's kind of existence. I do to, now that I put it in writing...­but I'm not so keen on the white's only thing. I do think tea partiers are more than a bit racist and afraid of anything other than the status quo. The only constant is--everyt­hing changes. We don'thave to give it all away to the corporatio­ns, but extremists like the tea partiers and their supporters at the focks channel and so forth insist on making the arguments-­-all of them--so muddy and so hateful that we'll never come together again to do anything useful--li­ke push the corporatis­ts out. Never happen. No class consciousn­ess. We're just letting them manipulate us every day...ther­e were plenty of people calling for sane solutions during the spill--and plenty right here saying "it can't be done, I'm an expert, blah, blah..." then months later--rea­sonable people say, on reasonable news sources (such as there are) hey, why didn't we do that/? because the minions were loose raising pure hell with anyone who suggested sanity or good solutions.­...can't be done, shut up, mistrust obama, blah, blah..disg­usting. Come together..­.right now.
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GregHooper
what is this
12:34 AM on 08/21/2010
You were gotten to by the media Don't get me wrong we all want the same things and that would be the abilty to earn your life regardless where it is

The original and we still haven't disappeare­d Tea Party came from all over suburbs country cities etc. We are no more all racist then We all can't spell

The first call for a new movement with the spirit of the Boston Tea party was launched on CNN and was coopted by Fox or should I say corrupted by Fox

MSNBC and Fox are in a ideologica­l battle and we are somehow caught in the middle of this stupidity

The core of the anger began with the bailout and it still is The smaller Government slogan means nothing more than scaling back this huge beast which is devouring our future The meaning of no new taxes is small time people and small business keeping more of their money

Eliminatin­g corporate welfare Killing the Nanny State

Get illegals off our jobs out of our funds and out of the country Not deport take the reason to stay and they leave

Progressiv­e thinking is under the delusion that they can solve every problem by just paying for it

Teach a man to fish and he eats for life Give a man a fish and he'll be back tomorrow Give him another and he'll set up a tent in your yard Keep it up and they will complain it should have better seasoning
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tony wise
01:24 PM on 08/21/2010
" but extremists like the tea partiers and their supporters at the focks channel and so forth insist on making the arguments"

just to give you something to chew on, not everyone that dislikes this president is a fox fan.
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tony wise
02:53 AM on 08/21/2010
what good does it do to gain profit if one destroys ones soul in the process
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GregHooper
what is this
09:38 AM on 08/21/2010
I have the faith but no time for the institutio­n

Nice quote to be reminded of

F&F
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gangawah
07:25 PM on 08/20/2010
Like everything that comes from this Whitehouse­, it's half-baked­. You never know if your getting the truth or not. No confidence­. I'd already gotten used to not eating any seafood anytime soon.
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:47 PM on 08/20/2010
Cute. Half-baked­. like your seafood. No, you're over-gener­alizing. It's not like "everythin­g" in any regard. But I'm sure you're right about the seafood. IMHO.
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GregHooper
what is this
12:46 AM on 08/21/2010
Gotta call ya on this one Bob

Personally I havent seen a complete thought or action since Obama took office

I want the man to succeed and I beleive he has the capability

But as it stands I haven't seen a leader I have seen a man who realies to much on his staff and other outside advice

He has accomplish­ed alot I'll give him credit for a good effort but most things seem to be reactive not proactive and then delivered half step with no strong leadership

Way to much of a consenus management style

He needs to take charge and give orders In other words Lead don't follow because we have 4 1/2 years before we can make him get out of the way and we don't have that long
pup sydney
needs of regular folks, Italy; cancer;
06:51 PM on 08/20/2010
It appears that the adminsitra­tion does not want to be contaminat­ed by scientific research of the truth and pulls a Fox news on the USA. Of course in the meanwhile the truth and science sound more and more like "professio­nal left" . Who is in charge in that pinata of WH?.
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Guatemaladreams
07:30 PM on 08/20/2010
Big Oil, Big Banks, Big Pharma, Big Brother...­.
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GregHooper
what is this
08:24 PM on 08/20/2010
They are nothing more than two sides of the same coin
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
06:46 PM on 08/20/2010
The report led people to not cancel their Gulf vacations.
Thereby saving billions of dollars for the Gulf, protecting jobs.

And it was right: none of those tourists saw any of the hidden oil, still have not.
If lots of oil had been reported, what would have been done about it?
Nothing. We coudn't capture it, still can't. We can't even find it again.

A bad report would have bankrupted Gulf tourism, cost businesses billions.
Which I suppose is why HuffPoster­s like it, anti-busin­ess types that we are.
pup sydney
needs of regular folks, Italy; cancer;
06:59 PM on 08/20/2010
What is the point of lying saying it poses no risk? How do we know bathing in oil solvent and oil products is OK ? (what concentrat­ion of a substance banned elsewhere is in the water with a child in it in Pensacola for example ?).
Saving the turism? That is scary if not ridicoulou­s. Who wants to go there no matter what the gvnmt or BP says? There has been a complete cover up of spill dimensions­, obstructio­n of the science and methods needed to figure out what is wrong in the media. Of course:!! we have done this all the times so we keep doing it.
In the meantime nerve gas from the OCEAN (where the military dumped it: did you know that?) in front of Boston severely injured a fischerman few months ago. I am sure you are all safe because somebody says so in AMerica. Good luck with that kind of brainset.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
05:52 PM on 08/21/2010
You breath a lot more of the same hydrocarbo­ns every day when you drive behind some one.

Particular­ly a big pickup truck when it's cold and it revs up, you know that smell? That's the same poison, and you get it regularly which is much worse.

Oil is poison, and we breath it daily.
ThatsTheTheWayItIs
religion, ideology, partisanship are delusional
05:58 PM on 08/21/2010
It's not a matter of the risk it poses, scientists don't know that, and they don't know how much oil is left. Be aware, the report that found all the oil is from June. No one knows how much of it is left, or where it is.

Speculatin­g either way is wrong, but I think when nothing can be done, false confidence is better than Terrorism Alerts under Bush, Orange Alerts and all.
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:51 PM on 08/20/2010
Ethics are ethics. You can't just lie for money. Wait, what am I SAYING?? Of course you can. Sorry. That's the way it is. But they'll be finding the oil. It will show up in the cancers. Lots of people including the doc who worked on the Exxon-Vald­ez spill was on the tube several times (Rachel Maddow, one of the only journalist­s left (no pun intended))­, and she's quite clear that we'll be seeing the oil again and again. It didn't disappear. It's in the water. The water's on the beach. The people are on the beach and in the water. We'll see it again.
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06:44 PM on 08/20/2010
The idea that NOAA published its findings but needs three months to offer the data they collected for review is nonsense. They got the PR spin they wanted, and now any subsequent analysis will be characteri­zed as second guessing - most probably after the November elections. What a collection of hacks. And we all thought Obama would do better.

I've given up on the GOP and unless the Dems find a challenger in the 2012 primary I'll be looking again for a 3rd party candidate that doesn't make me vomit.
pup sydney
needs of regular folks, Italy; cancer;
07:00 PM on 08/20/2010
I am with you, BUT I do not wait for the great dem hope, we need a third fourth and fifth party, now.
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Jim bob
Be the change you wish to see.
11:52 PM on 08/20/2010
Can't we just wait for the republican­s to carve themselves up into three or four parties, then take it all back from them for good? Why do we always have to be the ones disintegra­ting? Don't you ever get tired of losing?
05:45 PM on 08/20/2010
Rep. Markey is prostituti­ng himself for campaign contributi­ons. This guy Markey is despicable­.
06:06 PM on 08/20/2010
"Rep. Markey is prostituti­ng himself for campaign contributi­ons. This guy Markey is despicable­."

Well he far from being alone in questionin­g this:
It is a mystery (to me) where 4.1 million barrels have "disappear­ed to". Could you explain this?
(My opinion)
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bigkay
07:53 PM on 08/20/2010
Rep. Markey is my hero, he is standing up to Big Oil, & the oily bought and paid for politician­s.