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NOAA Claims Scientists Reviewed Controversial Report; The Scientists Say Otherwise

First Posted: 08/20/10 05:23 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:25 PM ET

Gulf Oil Spill
Bill Lehr, senior scientist, Office of Response and Restoration, NOAA, testifies on Capitol Hill on Thursday

In responding to the growing furor over the public release of a scientifically dubious and overly rosy federal report about the fate of the oil that BP spilled in the Gulf of Mexico, NOAA director Jane Lubchenco has repeatedly fallen back on one particular line of defense -- that independent scientists had given it their stamp of approval.

Back at the report's unveiling on August 4, Lubchenco spoke of a "peer review of the calculations that went into this by both other federal and non-federal scientists." On Thursday afternoon, she told reporters on a conference call: "The report and the calculations that went into it were reviewed by independent scientists." The scientists, she said, were listed at the end of the report.

But all the scientists on that list contacted by the Huffington Post for comment this week said the exact same thing: That although they provided some input to NOAA (the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration), they in no way reviewed the report, and could not vouch for it.

The skimpy, four-page report dominated an entire news cycle earlier this month, with contented administration officials claiming it meant that three fourths of the oil released from BP's well was essentially gone -- evaporated, dispersed, burned, etc. But independent scientists are increasingly challenging the report's findings and its interpretation -- and they are expressing outrage that the administration released no actual data or algorithms to support its claims.

HuffPost reached seven of the 11 scientists listed on the report. One declined to comment at all, six others had things to say.

In addition to disputing Lubchenco's characterization of their role, several of them actually took issue with the report itself.

In particular, they refuted the notion, as put forth by Lubchenco and other Obama administration officials, that the report was either scientifically precise or an authoritative account of where the oil went.

"What we were trying to do was give the Incident Command something that they could at least start with," said Ed Overton, an emeritus professor of environmental science at Louisiana State University. "But these are estimates. There's a difference between data and estimates."

Overton said NOAA asked him: "How much did I think would evaporate?" He responded with some ideas, but noted: "There's a jillion parameters which are not very amenable to modeling."

He said he didn't know what NOAA did with his input. "I pretty much did my estimates and let that go," he said.

And Overton bridled at the way the report was presented -- with very precise percentages attributed to different categories. For instance, the report declared that 24 percent of the oil had been dispersed.

"I didn't like the way they say 24 percent. We don't know that," Overton said. "They could have said a little bit more than a quarter, a little bit less than a quarter. But not 24 percent; that's impossible."

Michel Boufadel is on the list, but told HuffPost he did not review the report or its calculations. And the Temple University environmental engineer also said its specificity was inappropriate.

"When you look at that dispersed amount, and it says 8 percent chemically dispersed and 16 percent naturally dispersed, there's a high degree of uncertainty here," he said. "Naturally dispersed could be 6 or it could be 26."

Ron Goodman, a 30-year veteran of Exxon's Canadian affiliate who now runs his own consulting company, was incorrectly listed on the report with an academic affiliation: "U. of Calgary." He is only an adjunct there. He said he responded to a series of questions from NOAA -- "and that was it."

And once the report came out, he said, "I was concerned that the amount dispersed was very low. I think it was higher by maybe a factor of two or three."

In another example of how people are reading too much into the report, there has been some discussion suggesting that its estimate that 8 percent of the oil was chemically dispersed provides a new data point regarding how well those controversial chemicals worked. Goodman, however, said he believes the government scientists didn't base their conclusion on evidence, but on faith.

"They took the amount of dispersant that was applied, and multiplied it by 20 which is the manufacturer's suggested amount," he said.

Merv Fingas, a former chief researcher for Canada's environmental protection agency, said he thought the report was purely operational in nature. "The purpose of this was for the responders, and to tell them what to do -- as opposed to saying 'golly, the oil's all gone.' That was never the impression. That was very badly misinterpreted."

Fingas said the scientists stressed how broad the ranges should be for the estimates. "On the pie chart, if you say 15 percent, it could maybe be 30, it could maybe be 5."

Told how much certainty administration officials expressed in the estimates -- "we have high degree of confidence in them," is how Lubchenco put it -- Fingas was blunt.

"That's what happens when stuff goes from scientists to politicians," he said. "It was exactly the opposite with the scientists. We had a lot of uncertainty."

Juan Lasheras, an engineering professor at University of California, San Diego, on the list explained: "My involvement with the estimation of the oil spill budget has been minimal. I simply assisted Bill Lehr (NOAA) in a minor way with the estimation of the size of the oil droplets generated by the rising plume. I have not been involved in any of the other calculations or in the discussion and the writing of the report."

Jim Payne, a private environmental consultant on the list, declined to comment beyond saying: "I really don't know that much about how that was calculated."

Also worth noting: Four of the "independent scientists" listed on the report work for the oil industry, have until recently, and/or work for consulting companies that do business with the oil industry.

What happened here? Why did ballpark estimates clearly created to guide emergency responders suddenly get cast as a conclusive scientific facts? (See my story from a few hours ago, Questions Mount About White House's Overly Rosy Report On Oil Spill.)

Why did administration officials mislead the public about those findings -- and then claim that independent scientists had reviewed them, when the evidence suggests that they did not?

NOAA public affairs officials did not respond to requests for comment before my deadline.

Ian R. MacDonald, an oceanographer at Florida State University who was not one of the scientists on NOAA's list, sees this latest incident as part of an ongoing problem.

Lubchenco had previously been a key figure in the patently low-ball estimates for the oil flow, and fervently resisted acknowledging the existence of underwater oil plumes, he said.

"I've worked with NOAA essentially all my career and I have many good friends there, and people I respect in the agency, scientists who are really solid," MacDonald said.

"Throughout this process, it's been troubling to me to see the efforts of people like that passed through a filter where the objective seems to be much more political and public relations than making comments to inform the public.

"The consistent theme," MacDonald said, "seems to be to minimize the impact of the oil -- and to act as a bottleneck for information."


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01:35 PM on 08/30/2010
People are willing to criticize the science from NOAA on the oil spill, but at the same time will accept other science (eg. all the fish will be gone in 2048) even if there are known flaws in the analysis. This is partly because the public is just as guilty as the government, the politicians, business, and the media and the creationists in the practice of interpreting science to meet their own purposes. If you want good science, be willing to pay for and wait for it and be willing to allow it to occur in the best way possible. Become scientifically literate. If you want integrity in science, be willing to educate and reward scientists in a manner that breeds integrity. Also, understand the meaning of accuracy, precision and uncertainty in science. Most the time when we are using models to estimate something, we are estimating the level of uncertainty (what is the probability that this is the answer). Asking for precision on the oil budget is too much to ask, but we should expect honesty at all levels of reporting.
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ljmck
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12:47 PM on 08/24/2010
Shoddy. Fire Lubchenco.

If she regards this report as scientific review, her previous work needs to be reviewed.
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ecopassionate
How did we get this way?
02:12 PM on 08/23/2010
I would return this paper to my AP Environmental Science students as incomplete based on the poorly constructed references that make follow-up to the research and "peer review" tracking nearly impossible. The "four page report" is actually little more than two pages (page three being nearly blank) with a full page a poorly written references and citations. The most massive ecological disaster of our time, and we managed to create 2.2 pages of information with not a single solid reference. Amazing! Zero, your paper is incomplete and must be re-written to course standards.
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01:17 PM on 08/23/2010
A part of me wonders if some of the NOAA folks are deliberately trying to make the Obama administration look bad. Whomever at NOAA screwed up on this should be demoted or fired. This is a very serious indication of poor work.
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clearwaterclearmind
couldn't stand bush. can't stand obama for the sam
10:20 PM on 08/23/2010
sure, his HANDPICKED team (one was chased off when it was found he had ties to some conservative group after outcry from sites like this one) of scientists is out to discredit obama.

there's always going to be some insidious enemy and nothing is ever the administrations fault, right?
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bubbuh
09:25 AM on 08/23/2010
I'm not even going to bother to read this one. If the van damme report was indepenedntly reviewed, by "scientists" and "scientific organiizations" then "scientists" signed off with actual signatures and "scientific organizations" put their imprimatur on it. If the report was not independently reviewed, their won't be any such documentation.

If in-house review took place, those scientists doing the review would still have signed the review, knowing that they would have to face peer scrutiny of the report eventually.

My feeling is that neither review really took place, I think our government organizations are still suffering from the atmosphere of "faith based" regulation and scientific review that had been encouraged from 2001 through 2008. A year and a half hasn't been enough time to clean house.

Every time an event exposes an infestation, the Obama administration needs to move to clean out the vermin. It's a tough task. As any homeowner knows, left to itself a house falls apart and gets dirty much faster than a body can than fix and clean it up after the fact.
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01:29 PM on 08/23/2010
The article says the scientists whose names are on the report as having reviewed it did not; NOAA just asked them questions. Therefore, they are not on the hook, NOAA is.

I agree regarding the infestation. Someone needs to be fired.
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Almondo
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12:15 PM on 08/24/2010
"faith based regulation", a concise way to describe a ridiculous failed concept. f&f 579
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Phillip Bell
09:25 AM on 08/23/2010
Join our Facebook boycott of BP:

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/group.php?gid=116094405092992
12:36 AM on 08/23/2010
Please say that 'we the people' have proper representation in all of this. If the government is going to lie along with BP than I hope that there is a case against both.
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GeorgeMilquetoast
Striving for a mediocre amount of mediocrity
04:06 PM on 08/22/2010
There have been HP posters implying that since the specific gravity of Macondo B crude was around 0.7, that it would all rise to the surface. Perhaps that is true if the oil density is essentially homogeneous, but what is unknown is the rate of rise. Consider the worst case of a colloidal suspension. If Corexit performs superbly, it disperses oil, effectively taking what would have been a very large "bubble of oil" and transforming it into an enormous number of very tiny oil droplets. If you take a child's balloon and fill it with light oil and release it 10 feet below the surface of water, it will rapidly rise to the surface. If you take a minuscule oil droplet (tinier than you can see) and place it 10 feet below the surface, you might want to consider timing the rate of rise to the surface with a calendar.

What I'm trying to say is that the oil plumes reported by scientists might be rising excruciatingly slowly, and they might also be diffusing, thereby reducing the ppm concentration to ppb or lower while the overall volume of the plume increases. Reduction of concentration is not necessarily a good thing since the effected volume increases, and toxic chemicals (including carcinogens and mutagens) still enter the food chain. If not rendered non-toxic, they will concentrate due to predation, and eventually end up in your seafood meal.
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PotomacOracle
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02:04 PM on 08/22/2010
They said the BP had pumped mud and cement into the hole from the top to 5000 feet down; so how can they extract the drilling pipe which wouldd now be cemented and mudded in. Which story is then true?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/21/gulf.oil.disaster/index.html?hpt=T2
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GeorgeMilquetoast
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03:44 PM on 08/22/2010
Hi, Oracle. I read once upon a time that so-called "light drilling mud" was first pumped into the well, and that when the pressure at the top of the well (at the sea floor) was essentially identical to the external water pressure, they then pumped cement into the well bore. They allegedly kept pumping cement until the cement reached the bottom of the well piping, at which time it was hoped that the cement would be forced by the pump supply pressure to flow back up into any open annular spaces (concentric with the originally-intended production pipe). This would imply that the originally-intended production pipe would be solid with cement, and that the annulus might have oil trapped above a plug of what was formerly upward-welling cement. Since a drill pipe would descend from the surface rig down to the reservoir through the originally-intended production pipe, and since this production pipe is now supposed to be solid with cement, I have no idea how they would extract a so-called drill pipe from that cement.

However, if the cement was not in place as previously described, one could fish a drill pipe out of drilling mud. Drilling mud flows and acts as a column of material to seal pressure. Extracting solid material from a column of drilling mud would result in the drilling mud filling the volume vacated by the solid material. Perhaps they instead pumped cement, then pumped drilling mud, and then pumped cement.
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PotomacOracle
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09:09 AM on 08/23/2010
Fanned

Thanks for the real info on all of this. Frankly I don't don't trust anything the Feds or BP says. It's like the unemployment numbers. They tell us it's "hovering" around 10%. When you go to the definition of their unemployment number, you learn they are not including people who have been unemployed for over a year. Into what category do these folks belong. Including them pushes unemployment to 22%. We are lied to every day in every way by every authority except folks like you who know your stuff and share. Thanks

Also, FAVED big time
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Just4theHalibut
12:36 PM on 08/22/2010
Two days ago I asked 28 posters who had negative comments about the NOAA report, if they had actually read it. One had, another one had "skimmed it". I understand that many people were justly outraged by the (false) assertion of Carol Browner (an EPA lawyer, not a scientist!) that the report said that 75% of the oil had "been taken care of by mother nature". The report was NOT intended to be of the sort that appears in scientific journals after many months of true peer review, complete with statistical probability estimates --the sort of report that few in the public or media will have the technical background to understand. It WAS a description of a model and its outputs that is still under development, and that continues to receive diverse information from an evolving, complex situation. The report was a response to public and media need for some idea of what is going on with the oil. If NOAA had failed to provide it, the agency would have been scoriated for a cover-up. I urge NOAA scientists to issue periodic updates of this report; I urge the public to actually read them. I hope the media tries to facilitate understanding instead of fueling confusion, and that the White House gets its act together and gives this ecological disaster the attention it deserves.
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Grimway
04:56 AM on 08/23/2010
You sure take great effort to explain what others already know. That there is no way in hell that much oil magicly dissapered. We don't need a bullshit model and hands off stastical analysis to lead us to the coclusion you so desperately want us to swallow. America is teired of SWALLOWING!!!
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BannedNBoston
Is hemp legal yet?
12:15 PM on 08/22/2010
Thanks Maxfax for reminding us about corexit being displayed on clean up workers.

The Obama Deception 2hrs
http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhYwP8RSiP8N49d4Q6
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aligatorhardt
Cut on the bias
11:37 AM on 08/22/2010
Thanks to Mr. Froomkin for this report. The administration made a big mistake in trying to mislead the public over the consequences of this major oil spill. The official statements that most of the oil is gone were simply unbelievable. We have the results of earlier spills to show that damage is long lasting. It is seriously wrong to rush the compensation to fishermen's claims as the effect on fish populations can not be accurately predicted so soon after the oil flow. I hope for a period of time of reduced drilling of new wells until this oil can be consumed by natural bacterial action. There does not seem to be any way to clean up oil that is dispersed into tiny droplets. The use of dispersant does not seem helpful and it's use should be discontinued in future spills. Skinning oil off the top removes oil but dispersed oil cannot be removed.
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floodberg
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12:02 PM on 08/22/2010
Seconded. I posted on the Kelloggs thread the FDA press release discussing Michael Taylor's 'career in public service' and a bio of him. The FDA didn't see fit to even mention his lifetime going between FDA and Monsanto, or his job as VP of Lobbying at Monsanto since 1998.

The government isn't even trying to mislead us - they think we're too stupid, lazy or anesthetized to bother checking them. We need to check everything they say, literally - or just go along with the new Corporate government. November is a chance to perhaps change this - but the ramifications if the incumbents get re-elected may be severe and unalterable.
11:25 AM on 08/22/2010
The spill in the Gulf should make us all think about what we can do to support
clean, sustainable, distributed alternative energy.

Wind, solar, geothermal and second generation biofuels all need our support.

We need to produce American energy and use American labor. Let's create
green energy and provide jobs for Americans. Let's stop sending money
to countries that want to do us harm.

Our economic security and our national security may depend on it.
10:55 AM on 08/22/2010
NOAA is in the doghouse over a report August 19, 2010 that it has failed to heed warnings since 2004 (from Indian scientists) that its satellites are degraded and misreading the temperatures. Why this isn't making the news is beyond me, but maybe someone thinks this is climate change denying. It's not. I'll give you a link below and you can see for yourself.

The NOAA provides the satellites for the IPCC in England, the CRU data etc. In other words, it's the raw data scientists work with. In the US, it supplies satellite data to Universities that collect it for their areas and then make that available to scientists worldwide.

Well...someone (an amateur) caught the NOAA figures for the Northern Lake Michigan region and the temperatures were 600 F and 300 F and 400 F. (Remember when they said January was one of the hottest months on record? No wonder if you're registering 600 degrees F. Follow the link below to the links for the satellite data and you will see that the satellites were deemed degraded in February and no one copped to it.) The NOAA tied to slough it off until they realized they had a rabid amateur on their hands who was going to make their lives miserable.

Follow the story here if interested:
http://co2insanity.com/2010/08/19/leading-us-physicist-labels-satellitegate-scandal-a-‘catastrophe’/
11:07 AM on 08/22/2010
Why am I not surprized?
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
11:31 AM on 08/22/2010
Because you're biased to expect that.
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Just4theHalibut
01:00 PM on 08/22/2010
Maybe NOAA's failing satellites are the result of Republican congress' failure to adequately
fund this crucial program, for 8 years...??
09:39 AM on 08/22/2010
Wait a minute.

Isn't NOAA the gospel about anthropogenic Climate Change?

But they lie through their teeth about the Gulf Oil Spill?

I think someone needs to get their story straight
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
10:40 AM on 08/22/2010
I wonder why the other coal/petroleum shills haven't noticed that, and why they haven't said the same thing. It seems like kind of an obvious argument to try to make, if I was against the environment and for incompetent CEOs like you are.

From the article: "HuffPost reached seven of the 11 scientists listed on the report. One declined to comment at all, six others had things to say."

Maybe they know the five who were unavailable or refused to talk to the press were on BP's payroll all along. Maybe BP paid them just to downplay this one disaster, and they don't want to draw more attention by claiming what you just did.

Just a thought.
10:57 AM on 08/22/2010
Are you a little bit disappointed that the "disaster" that was over-hyped by the media, in general and the Huffpo in particular never really materialized?
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ReedYoung
global mean temperature, obviously INCREASING
11:16 AM on 08/22/2010
I'm disappointed that the cleanup is not as effective as reported.
03:27 PM on 08/22/2010
More water form the poisoned well.
No pun intended.
06:26 AM on 08/23/2010
Do not you mean "more oil"?