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The Senate In Play ... Barely

First Posted: 08/24/10 12:34 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:25 PM ET

Is the Democratic Senate majority in peril? A lot of political observers have been asking that question in recent weeks, and as of today, polls show Republican candidates running clearly ahead in four to five Senate seats currently held by Democrats, with another six Dem seats falling squarely into our "toss-up" category.

Control of the Senate will largely depend on the outcome of those toss-up races. The Republicans have a path to majority control, but it will require sweeping nearly all of the close contests.

Today we begin what will soon be a regular daily feature on HuffPost's Pollster, in which we review the day's polls and monitor their impact on our polling averages and trends. We will also be watching House and gubernatorial elections, but for today I want to begin with an overview of the races for the Senate.

Let's first take a step back and consider the classic "horse race" poll question that we plot on our charts and use to assess where each race stands. The question usually asks voters to make a choice as if "the election were held today" and prompts with both the names and party affiliations of each candidate.

When voters are familiar with the competing candidates -- as they usually are a few days before the election -- the standard horse-race question has proven to be an accurate and reliable measure of their preferences. However, when voters know some candidates but not all, the predictive accuracy of the vote question starts to erode, and the horse-race results can become misleading. That scenario still exists in many Senate races, so there is still potential for shifting between now and November.

Currently, the Democratic Senate Caucus has 59 members: 57 elected as Democrats plus independents Bernie Sanders (Vt.) and Joe Lieberman (Conn.). In order to be assured a majority, the Republicans would need to gain 10 seats, since Vice President Biden would vote with the Democrats to break a 50-to-50 tie.

So based on the available public polling, how many seats would the Republicans gain "if the election were held today?" Let's use the Pollster.com trend estimates (based on all available polling data) to consider voter preferences in the competitive races in Senate seats currently held by Democrats.

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Republican candidates currently hold huge leads in four states currently represented by the Democrats -- North Dakota, Arkansas, Indiana and Delaware -- and in a fifth, Pennsylvania, Pat Toomey leads by just slightly more than 5 percentage points (45.7% to 40.6%). Using the system we applied in 2008, we classify all five of these states as strongly or leaning Republican.

What should concern Democrats even more, however, is that polling yields closer "toss-up" margins in another six states held by Democratic Senators -- Colorado, Wisconsin, Washington, Illinois, California and Nevada. That said, Republicans would need to win five of the six and prevail in two similarly close contests in states currently represented by Republicans (Florida and Kentucky) to gain control of the Senate.

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The "toss-up" label above may overstate the degree of uncertainty "if the election were held today" in some of the contests. In Nevada, for example, four of the five polls conducted in the last month show Harry Reid with small, nominal leads of 1 to 4 percentage points. Recent polling in California shows a similar pattern favoring Democrat Barbara Boxer.

We will soon unveil a more granular system of classifying each race. But for now, our older classification scheme helps put these results into the context of recent history. The lesson is that a lead of two or three percentage points in late August can be fleeting.

In late August 2006, it certainly looked like Democrats faced an "uphill fight" to win control of the Senate. At the time, Republican candidates led by low single-digit margins on most polls conducted in Missouri and Virginia (the latter conducted just after George Allen's infamous "Macaca" moment), yet Democrats Claire McCaskill and Jim Webb went on to win their respective races. Democratic Senate candidates also gained significantly on their Republican opponents during the fall campaign in New Jersey, Ohio, Rhode Island, and Washington.

Four years ago, our similarly constructed assessments of Senate-race polling as of early September added up to 50 seats held by Republicans or at least leaning that way, 46 seats held or leaning to the Democrats, and four toss-ups. Yet the Democrats ultimately gained enough support to over the course of the fall campaign to win the 51 seats necessary to gain control of the Senate.

Compare the 50 to 46 Republican advantage at this point in 2006 to the current standings: Right now, we show 48 states currently represented by Republicans or at least leaning that way in this year's elections (including Lieberman and Sanders), 45 states held by or at least leaning Republican and seven states in the toss-up column.

None of this argues that Republicans will see gains over the next two months comparable to what Democrats experienced in the fall of 2006, only that the possibility exists. For now a Republican takeover does not look probable, but we certainly cannot rule it out.

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02:56 AM on 09/03/2010
Senate 2010 Forecast Simulation Model

Richard Charnin (TruthIsAll)

Sept. 2, 2010

Go hee for the data analysis:
http://richardcharnin.com/

The 2010 Senate Forecast Simulation Model determines a forecast probability distribution of GOP gains using sensitivity analysis and Monte Carlo simulation. The model is based on the latest Senate polling. It assumes that the election is held today and will be updated periodically to Election Day. The GOP is poised to make significant gains in the House and Senate.

Projected vote share = Poll share + Undecided voter share (UVA).

Assuming challengers win 60% of the undecided vote and projecting a mix of RV and LV polls:
In the Monte Carlo simulation, the GOP expected net gain is 6.3 seats.
The Democrats retain control of the Senate (51-47).
The GOP wins the popular vote by 50.4-49.6%
If there is 2% vote-switching, the GOP will gain nine (9) seats and capture the senate 50-48.

Projecting only LV (mostly Rasmussen) polls:
In the Monte Carlo simulation, the GOP expected net gain is 8.3 seats.
The Senate is tied at 49-49.
The GOP wins the popular vote by 51.5-48.5%
01:46 AM on 09/01/2010
Hope this link works...

http://richardcharnin.com/2010SenateForecastSimulationModel.htm
01:28 AM on 09/01/2010
The 2010 Senate Forecast Simulation Model determines a forecast probability distribution of GOP gains using sensitivity analysis and Monte Carlo simulation. The model is based on the latest Senate polling. It assumes that the election is held today and will be updated periodically to Election Day. The GOP is poised to make significant gains in the House and Senate.

http://richardcharnin.com/2010SenateForecastSimulationModel.htm

Assuming an even split in the undecided vote, latest registered voter (RV) polls indicate that the Democrats will control the senate (52-46). Likely voter (LV) polls indicate that the margin would be lower (50-48). The Monte Carlo simulation (200 election trials) indicated an average 5.7 GOP net gain. If the Democratic vote share is reduced 2% by election fraud, the GOP will gain a majority (51-47).

In the model, the RV poll projection is considered to be the best estimate of the True Vote. The LV projection is considered to be the best estimate of the recoded vote. Due to uncertainty in the undecided vote and the potential for vote-switching, GOP net gains are calculated over a range of assumptions and displayed in the sensitivity analysis tables.
03:09 PM on 09/01/2010
Go here for a link tot he 2010 Senate Forecast Simulation Model.
http://richardcharnin.com/
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MuchMadness
02:28 AM on 08/25/2010
In some ways, it does not matter if the Democrats keep the majority in the senate. Even if they keep the majority, they will not have 67 votes to change the rules to eliminate the filibuster.

The people who interpret senate rules think 67 votes are necessary unless the Democrats are willing to be bold and use the nuclear option. The nuclear option is the only way to change the rules with fewer than 67 votes, and there is no requirement for the new senate to even consider the rules.

Don't believe me? Maybe you will believe the Congressional Research Service. It says that "the Senate is a continuing body and does not have to reorganize itself
each new Congress, as does the House of Representatives, by adopting new rules"

http://www.rules.house.gov/archives/RS20722.pdf

Now, maybe the Congressional Research Service is wrong, or maybe neither house of congress understands the rules, but I think that it is very likely that when the next senate convenes in January 2011, the senators won't say a mumbling word about changing the rules.
They will just swear in the new senators and move ahead under the same set of rules that they have now. You can call it acquiescing to the current rules if you like, but the point is that there will be no discussion or mention of any rules changes. The whole matter will be ignored, because most Democrats are happy with the current rules.
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RyanC1384
10:53 PM on 08/24/2010
Did you guys see this? 2 potential news worthy stories within this audio. Sharron Angle agrees that we have domestic enemies within the Congress, & she is a hypocrite when it comes to the Constitution...

http://www.doubledutchpolitics.com/2010/08/sharon-angle-strict-constructionist-or-hypocrite/
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rf dude
Just an average Man of Bronze - now in Steel!
09:16 PM on 08/24/2010
This thread is nearly finished, but I'm offering my question one last time. So far there have been no serious takers.

The question is simple: what ideas does the Republican Party offer to induce me to vote Republican?

No " anybody but Obama " or " Bush was better" junk. And Reagan is as gone as his failed dream of a shining city on the hill despite Republican control of the federal government for most of the time between between now and him.

I want to hear real ideas on how to fix the problems facing this country - all of us.

It's a serious question. This country - WE, not just "us" and "them" - all need real solutions, not more slogans.

I am waiting to hear the serious solutions.
Mountain Momma
Seemed like a good idea at the time
09:57 PM on 08/24/2010
Here in Nevada, you can see a fair amount of "anybody but Reid" stickers. Most of them look pretty beat up, clearly from before the primaries. The number of Angle stickers you see - miniscule. I think while a lot of people would like to get rid of Reid, they're not about to vote for Angle. Some of my most conservative friends just shake their head if you ask them about Angle - I've heard them use the words, crazy, nuts, and disaster in describing her.

I think the poll numbers are just not providing a clear picture of what's actually being said in conversation in this state.
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morefreethings
fixed income analyst
06:46 PM on 08/24/2010
whats happening in fla is exactly why there cannot be a tea party cacus.....how can dems in that state seriously not vote for crist, he already sold his soul....
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RMorr2002
05:56 PM on 08/24/2010
The Dems have a couple of problems going here.

1. Perception is Reality....the American public is looking at the BIG picture...the economy sucks and unemployment is 9.5%. They were told that if we did the $870B Stimulus, things would get better. The Stimulus was passed and the economy still sucks and unemployment is still 9.5%. The Dems Control Congress with big majorities
AND the WH and have for the past 2 years.

2. Nobody likes a whiner- The situation was not great when Obama took over, but, if you remember, He wanted the job and he was given the job by the American Public.
In fact, he made a sorts of promises about how WONDERFUL it would be if he were elected. Blaming the guy who left office 2 years ago makes the administration look weak and pathetic. The American Public doesn't like whiney kids and they don't expect a whiney President!

The members of Congress have an even bigger problem than Obama. The Dems have controlled Congress for the past 4 years and YES, things were better before they took office. Unemployment was lower, the deficit was much lower and the economy didn't suck as bad as it does now. You can argue the causes, but most of the people are just looking at that Big Picture.
08:08 PM on 08/24/2010
your view of the BIG picture is wrong - wanna really see the big picture? look at the last half century and see how that went and who was in charge when it was good and who was in charge of cleaning up the mess when it was bad - micro shots of history don't show the real picture bud
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Fredd Greenn
08:47 PM on 08/24/2010
agree with your analysis
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05:23 PM on 08/24/2010
Not just unlikely, but highly unlikely. I'm a Conservative, but trying to toss 5 out of 6 seats when historically congress critters are re-elected like 80 percent of the time? I think i'd rather take the odds of the Lions going to the Superbowl.
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misterzay
Hate is not a congenital disease
10:08 PM on 08/24/2010
You lose on both bets
05:07 PM on 08/24/2010
There are 13,500,000 results on Google when you search Beck Event. So how large do you think it will be?
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doneflyin
my micro-bio isn't
05:32 PM on 08/24/2010
Media Matters says the Parks Dept. is estimating 300,000 people. That's according to the permits issued so far.
There were 2 million people at Obama's inauguration.
So right now it looks like the great Beck event may be juuuust a bit shy of that 2 million.
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doneflyin
my micro-bio isn't
05:51 PM on 08/24/2010
I goolged Beck event and came up with 5,360,000. But that number includes all events and a bunch f stuff, old and new.
If you google Beck Event Sat. Aug 28 DC you get 4,490 results.
Hate to burst the bubble but I don't think this thing will be anywhere near as large as some think.
For example, I didn't even know about this "event" until today. I can't be the only one.

I'm jus' sayin'
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
05:03 PM on 08/24/2010
Should the Republicans regain any power in Washington this fall, which I doubt, they are going to have to put up with perhaps the most ignornat base of any Congress in history and the Progressives will seriously beat them about the head on every issue they try to devlop assuring a second term for President Obama.
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RMorr2002
05:20 PM on 08/24/2010
The fact that you doubt that the Republicans will regain any power this Fall makes you part of the "Too Dumb to Reason With" crowd! It is not a question of whether the Republicans will gain seats....the question is HOW many! BTW...you should pray for a Republican Congress! It is obama's ONLY hope to get re-elected.
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misterzay
Hate is not a congenital disease
10:11 PM on 08/24/2010
They will gain seats but still be in the minority, that will give Obama what he needs to get reelected
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05:23 PM on 08/24/2010
Just keep calling them ignorant. It helps your cause, really it does.
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Hillrick
Still inconceivable...I'm just not smiling anymore
06:34 PM on 08/24/2010
Their base is ignorant, they will never change their vote and anyone else on this site knows it too.
05:01 PM on 08/24/2010
When Obama get of his umpteenth vacation and speaks the dems will take another downturn. If he blames Bush it will be so comically sad.
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sean62965
Do you really need my "micro-bio"?
05:20 PM on 08/24/2010
Umpteenth? Really? Take a long hard look at who is the leader on vacations. You will find that is was your boyfriend "w". His nickname was president vacation. Before he earned the more appropriate ones like "useless".
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misterzay
Hate is not a congenital disease
10:12 PM on 08/24/2010
Why pick on an unemployed drunk from Texas?
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PopeRatzo
relax...
05:24 PM on 08/24/2010
Pal, more Americans STILL blame Bush for the bad economy than blame Obama than the other way around. It sounds like you are the one that's out of touch.
05:01 PM on 08/24/2010
The Republicans only need to take a few of these seats to end one party rule. That, in combination with a (potential) Republican House will change everything.
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amaboss52
Jesus died for your sins...get your moneys worth!
05:24 PM on 08/24/2010
Yep it'll change everything alright, for the worse and we may never recover from their incompetence.
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PopeRatzo
relax...
05:24 PM on 08/24/2010
I don't think that will change very much, actually.
04:54 PM on 08/24/2010
Here is a fact on upcoming BECK event. Callaway Bus Service has already chartered more than 1000 buses for the event. Callaway is the largest bus charter service in the area. The week Obama was inaugurated, Callaway chartered 1600 buses for that. Plus there is nearly a whole week before the event. Yes the turn out should be HUGE. LIBS laugh all you want. But YOUR KIND are toast come November
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Cacey
Ignore rudeness, honor discussion
05:01 PM on 08/24/2010
I bet the Gay Pride Parade in DC has more participants than this insulting little rally.
05:03 PM on 08/24/2010
Think so??? Google "BECK EVENT" It is amazing the number of buses being chartered through out the country. There are actually people on waiting lists for someone to charter another bus. More than a thousand buses so far have been chartered
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take10
05:11 PM on 08/24/2010
"Your kind are toast come November?" Well, your kind is already toast and about to be buttered come November. Your kind said the same thing before 11/5/2008, and look mwhere we are today. Your kind haven't done a damn thing to help Americans get back on their feet. Your kind haven't made a good decision since becoming afflicted with Teabonic Plague. Your kind has about as much chnace being given the opportunioty to finish what your kind helped GW Bush do, as your kind did on 11/5/2008. So when it comes to that "your kind" chit, you'd better think about the fact that your kind has been hiding behind "no" for the past 19 months, or hiding underneath Sara Palin's skirt. Now, take a good look in the mirror at your kind and see just how inept your kind actually are. Oh! Don't forget the tissues!!!
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misterzay
Hate is not a congenital disease
04:46 PM on 08/24/2010
As is normal with the midterms the party in power, in this case the Dems, will lose some seats but still remain in control of both houses. Once they have weathered the storm the POTUS will be much more aggressive and use his bully pulpit and his party's simple majority to get some meaningful legislation passed that will help create jobs. The GOP will try and fillibuster and look foolish which inturn will make the 2012 cycle much easier for Obama's reelection and pick ups in both houses.
As they say you can take this to the bank.
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doneflyin
my micro-bio isn't
05:20 PM on 08/24/2010
Come Nov. I'll be waiting at the bank with my deposit slip. I sure hope you are right misterz!!
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misterzay
Hate is not a congenital disease
06:24 PM on 08/24/2010
So do I
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amaboss52
Jesus died for your sins...get your moneys worth!
05:28 PM on 08/24/2010
Agreed 100%. I think that this might have been his plan all along. Once the midterms are over and we are still in the driver seat, Obama is going to take it to the repubes.