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eHarmony CEO Greg Waldorf On Same-Sex Matchmaking, The Limits Of Online Dating

First Posted: 08/26/10 01:24 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:30 PM ET

Eharmony Ceo Greg Waldorf

Earlier this month, online dating service eHarmony.com celebrated its 10th anniversary and a major milestone: according to a Harris Interactive Study, between 2008 and 2009, 542 people who met through the online matchmaker were married every day in the U.S.

Shortly after visiting eHarmony's enormous new billboard in Times Square, eHarmony CEO Greg Waldorf sat down with the Huffington Post in New York to discuss the future of online matchmaking, same-sex dating on eHarmony (which has been a point of controversy for the site), and his take on tech from iPads to Twitter.

Huffington Post: Where do you see social media fitting in with online dating?

Greg Waldorf:
If you ask most people how social media plays into dating, they'll say [social networks are] not dating [sites]. Whether they're on Facebook or Twitter, people clearly use social media for dating, and yet they'll tell you it's not about dating. To some extent social media is a great complement to paid dating because paid dating is about "I'm looking for a relationship." There's no question about why people are there and that has a real benefit to users. If you talk to people who were successful on eHarmony, they'll say, "One of the reasons I came was that I wanted to know that the other people who were here were interested in the same thing I was interested in." It's not about reading the tea leaves of someone's status indicator. It's there for a stated purpose. Social networking is such a powerful experience on so many levels, but it's about a lot of different things. I think [paid dating] creates a private environment.

Do you see social media as an asset for paid dating sites?
Social media and paid dating coexist very well as long as the paid dating sites are very mindful that you'd better be delivering a lot of value when people are paying you. That's why we invest a lot of resources, money, and time into the matchmaking system...[Social media] pushes us to work harder because these other things are free.

What does "real life" dating offer that you can't yet get online?
I think the hardest thing is the shared social experience of dating. Dating, in particular for women, is an inherently shared experience... When it comes to online dating, you hear a lot from users "We decided to do it together." Friends, coworkers decide to become proactive at the same time. But once they're in, it is not inherently that much of a shared journey, it's more solitary. And I think that is one of the things that, if we bridge better into social media, hopefully we can let people do. That [shared social experience] is one of the things that makes dating easier. If you're nervous about asking out that person at a party, you might have more courage if you can walk up with a friend.

And what does online dating offer that you can't yet get in "real life"?
It gives you more efficiency and it's purposeful. You're in a process where you should be connecting with other people who are interested in some type of relationship.

Why does eHarmony have a separate site for gay couples, Compatible Partners?
[eHarmony settled a class action lawsuit earlier this year, which was brought against the company by a group of gay and lesbian individuals who alleged the site discriminated against users looking for same-sex relationships. Under the settlement, "eHarmony will link its straight and gay Web sites and allow people to use both without paying double fees," the AP explains.]
To answer that question, you have to look at how the industry works...Online dating is about effective marketing. There are a lot of sites that only do same-sex and they are very clear about being same-sex only and they don't try to be straight...There are many, many sites which are around certain types of dating. Consumers have shown that they clearly find benefit in these community of interest sites...For us, we did it because we thought we'd be more successful, but the important thing is that you can go to eHarmony and say you're a man looking for a man or a woman looking for a woman, and be immediately able to sign up--and hundreds of thousands of people have. I just think that at this point, why should I have anything to explain other than the success of the site? I feel so good about the success.

Do you measure the marriage rate for gay couples?

You know I don't think it'd be showing up as a significant number if you think about how few states you can get married in.

You noted that, on average, 540 eHarmony couples get married every day, up from 90 couples per day in 2006. You track marriage rates, but do you measure divorce rates?

We don't. It's a tough one to figure out and it's one we would like to figure out, but for a bunch of survey reasons it's challenging. We're working on it. I hope to have something in a year or two.

You've developed specific set of questions every member must answer in order to be matched with a compatible user. Have you done research to see whether the qualities that make for compatible, heterosexual couples are the same for same-sex couples?
We haven't yet, but we're getting closer to that. By this time next year we will have that research complete. It's not as easy as it sounds. With the regular eHarmony research, you have the definition of saying "Okay, everyone in the research is a married couple." But in the research we're doing on same-sex couples, people can be...in committed relationships, so recruiting is a little bit different, but we're working on it.

Is the eHarmony questionnaire the same for different countries? [eHarmony is currently available in the U.S., Australia, Canada, and the U.K.]
In every market we redo the matching model for the local cultural dynamic of what are the norms for relationships in that place. Some of the things are different, but there are also some really universal qualities that come through in this type of research.

According to your research, what are the "universal qualities" that people across different countries and cultures look for in a mate?

You hear some version of the following statement [from men]: "I want to be appreciated for whom I am and be with a woman who's not going to try to change me." That's a really common statement for guys. Women universally, in all countries we go to, are looking for men who are dependable, reliable, and good communicators--someone who tells the truth. You tend to find those things, interestingly, no matter where you travel, no matter where you go...I can say this based on [research from] Asian countries, North America, South America...These are really universal qualities.

Free association--tell me the first thing that comes to mind for each of the following terms:

Craigslist: Haven't used in years
Steve Jobs: Inspiring
Facebook: Powerful
Webinar: Boring
Twitter: Surprisingly useful. (He adds: "I find Twitter surprisingly useful to follow. If you have just a little bit of time, you can do something surprisingly meaningful with it.")

Microsoft:
There's a lot you can learn from them.
3D: No time
Google: Every day
BlackBerry: My first love
iPad: Incredible (He adds: "I honestly think that the iPad has really changed the computing paradigm. It's always on, the battery lasts a really long time, and it's not a cluttered environment. It think one of the reasons people like apps so much is that you have a very meaningful experience. You're there to do something...You don't have the clutter...I love the iPad.")

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Earlier this month, online dating service eHarmony.com celebrated its 10th anniversary and a major milestone: according to a Harris Interactive Study, between 2008 and 2009, 542 people who met throug...
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11:18 AM on 08/27/2010
I am a huge believer in group dating. I do a dinner club called eight at eight dinner club and they focus on the fun, vibrant atmosphere of a dinner party to get to know potential dates. It's so far so good. Got some great dates out of it, and have been meeting the most interesting people through it. I have stories from each dinner that I'm always telling my girlfriends. It is true what Greg Waldorf says - dating IS a shared experience. Humans (not just women, people!) are chatty creatures and tend to talk about an especially good or bad date with friends. It's just what happens. I do meet 4 guys at every dinner (with 3 other girls) but if i really want high-quality boutique attention, 8at8's sister company One on One Matchmaking is the way to go.
01:35 AM on 08/27/2010
Interesting how the CEO started the site by appealing to Christians, and he used James Dobson initially as an endorser.

After the site grew beyond the Christian base, who weren't looking for sleezy one nighers, popularity grew and the Gay lawsuit happened. The CEO saw the writing on the wall and kicked the Christians to the street and went gay-friendly and removed any former endorsements from Dobson. Funny how fame and success changes some compaines (and the threat of lawyers taking everything away too).
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Jdaddy1951
09:29 AM on 08/27/2010
From a business point of view, it was a wise decision. If your goalis to expand your business, its wise to have a diverse appeal.That's why more and more companies are going gay friendly.
10:40 PM on 08/26/2010
"...between 2008 and 2009, 542 people who met through the online matchmaker were married every day in the U.S." = ENRON ACCOUNTING.
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slobone
We have met the enemy and he is us
10:30 PM on 08/26/2010
542 x 365 = 197,830 people who met on eHarmony get married in 2009? That's roughly 10% of all marriages that took place in the US that year. Who is he trying to kid with that ridiculous figure?
11:52 PM on 08/26/2010
If it is true it is very sad.
Breckster82
It's not the size of your micro-bio that matters..
08:43 AM on 08/27/2010
sad that people fall in love and get married?
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Moder8tion
07:36 AM on 08/27/2010
It's 99,000 marriages. What is the number of marriages for 2009 that you are using?
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BobSF94117
09:43 PM on 08/26/2010
And how about people who want to sign up and look for EITHER men or women? If you're straight, you stay on eHarmony. If you're gay, you get shunted off to another site. If you're bi, you have to get two accounts.
11:18 PM on 08/26/2010
Because you are receiving 2 times the services of just straight and just gay people.
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AnitaMan
Deep down I'm really very shallow
02:06 AM on 08/27/2010
OH PLEAZZE...how absurd.

I suppose they date twice as much too?
Go on line twice as much?
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Moder8tion
07:45 AM on 08/27/2010
If you're bi then you wouldn't be on the straight site....
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BobSF94117
09:42 PM on 08/26/2010
"I just think that at this point, why should I have anything to explain other than the success of the site? I feel so good about the success."

I think he ought to explain the fighting against including gay people, especially their argument that their software wouldn't work on gay people, followed up just weeks after the settlement with ads about how their software worked so well for gay couples.

The guy is a lying hypocrite. Or he was back then. Of course, there's also the possibility that he was back then and still is...
09:03 PM on 08/26/2010
There are enough free dating sites out there that I don't know why'd you'd pay for it. Plus, who really wants a computer to match you up with someone? Mine can't even format my documents' bullet-points correctly, I doubt a computer can set two people for a successful romantic relationship.
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Stroodle
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09:03 AM on 08/27/2010
Honestly, I've been on free sites and they're pitiful. Only had quick hook ups, like the girls I met at the bar. I signed up for a pay one and within 2 days I got a match and the girl and I have been together ever since. I've dated a lot of girls since I graduated and they pale in comparison to her. She's perfect. They really match you well. Best money I ever spend hands down! They even let me back out of my last month of pay.
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kewps
My Altered Ego
09:27 AM on 08/27/2010
I met my partner, now deceased on an online dating site. She was the best thing that happened to me in my entire 50+ years. Unfortunately she was killed by a drunk driver in 2008. I would do it over and over again despite the pain, she was that special. So yes, you can meet that special someone online.
07:35 PM on 08/26/2010
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I've done the online dating thing off and on for numerous years
now -- sorry, but I (still) think it's pretty much a waste. There
is still nothing quite the same as face to face. Bottom line
for me is that I really would not recommend it to anyone.
And definitely NOT worth paying for, by any means.

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Julie Spira
Bestselling author and online dating expert
09:20 PM on 08/26/2010
I agree that meeting face-to-face is important, but if your friends aren't fixing you up, going online is a way to meet someone. It's important to take your relationship from offline to online as soon as possible.
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Amadahy
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08:27 AM on 08/27/2010
I've tried it a couple times as well, over the last 10 years. Unfortunately this last time I had my identity stolen. I've cancelled my accounts as a result, and probably won't go back. You've got to be careful.
07:12 PM on 08/26/2010
eHarmony is a 10 years old obsolete site.
eDarling (eHarmony owns 30%) is eHarmony rebranded and IMPROVED for 9 European countries: Spain, Italy, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, the Netherlands, Poland.

The success rate of eHarmony is less than 10%

eHarmony is only supported by a big marketing budget and not by serious scientific evidence.

10 LONG YEARS AND eHarmony DOES NOT HAVE ANY SCIENTIFIC PAPER FOR PUBLIC AND ACADEMIC SCRUTINY OF FINDINGS.

eHarmony is not "scientifically proven" because eHarmony Labs could not prove eHarmony's matching algorithm can match prospective partners who will have more stable and satisfying relationships -and very low divorce rates- than couples matched by chance, astrological destiny, personal preferences, searching on one's own, or other technique as the control group in a peer reviewed Scientific Paper.

Moreover the entire Online Dating Industry for serious daters in 1st World Countries is a HOAX, performing as a Big Online Casino, with a low effectiveness/efficiency level of their matching algorithms (less than 10%),

Regards,

Fernando Ardenghi.
Buenos Aires.
Argentina.
ardenghifer@gmail.com
07:37 PM on 08/26/2010
Totally agree!
07:54 PM on 08/26/2010
Agreed. I paid for an eharmony membership several years ago, biggest waste of money ever. You get matched with hundreds of people, only to find out that 99 percent of them have never paid the membership fee, so the chances of meeting them are zero.

I met my husband on another dating site that was a much better value, and we're celebrating our first anniversary in three weeks :-)
06:36 PM on 08/26/2010
my husband and i have toyed with the idea of signing up on eharmony just to see if they would actually match us up.... just for grins and giggles... we met online back in 1998....
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manray05
11:55 PM on 08/26/2010
Use Match.com. This Eharmony guy is saccharine and dishonest.
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joelb5000
06:09 PM on 08/26/2010
"You track marriage rates, but do you measure divorce rates? We don't. It's a tough one to figure out.."--it's about as easy as tracking marriages. Divorces are typically posted publicly. I would imagine it's just one of those statistics that doesn't do well for the company's bottom line.
04:51 PM on 08/26/2010
They can cater to whoever they want. If you don't like them don't use them. Plenty of other choices. Is Saks discriminating against poor people? Is McDonald's discriminating against vegetarians? Discrimination in this country is an obsession!
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situationcritical
SuperMegaUltraUberLiberal
07:13 PM on 08/26/2010
It's an obsession because the very foundation of this country was built upon discrimination. Really, the only way to get beyond it is complete atonement. But I'm sure you're not interested in that...so, the obsession will continue until you and others like you are.
07:55 PM on 08/26/2010
But they promise something they can NEVER deliver, and that's fraud. You can get matched with lots and lots of people but will NEVER meet them because they've signed up for the freebies - you don't get matched until they PAY.
04:44 PM on 08/26/2010
The only thing missing from online dating is women....its like a sausage fest.
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hypnotoad72
Freedom = real democracy = living wages
04:56 PM on 08/26/2010
Just like in real life. Otherwise no bar, nightclub, or any other venue would have a "Ladies' night." :)
05:04 PM on 08/26/2010
Makes me think of that Flight of the Conchords song, "Too Many D!cks on the Dance Floor" LOL.
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Amadahy
loves peanut M&Ms and Whippoorwills
08:35 AM on 08/27/2010
LOL
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CMB1969
raging moderate
04:28 PM on 08/26/2010
The eharmony case does seem to me like one instance in which discrimination by sexual orientation might have a basis--the matching questionaire used by that site is quite intricate and was developed based on a fair amount research into the dynamics of straight relationships. Their memberships fees are twice what other comparable sites charge based on that level of matching--unless a comparable questionaire was developed based on the the dynamics of gay couples (actually two questionaires, one for gay men and one for lesbians), it seems like much of the rationale for the site would be diminished.
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BobSF94117
09:45 PM on 08/26/2010
Then why do they advertise in the gay press as so successful BECAUSE of their special "scientific" techniques?

It is all about marketing... and prejudice.
03:40 PM on 08/26/2010
there is no reason for eharmony not to cater to the lgbt community. there is no reason it cannot be marketed as being for both hetero and gay couples
05:00 PM on 08/26/2010
Check out the Compatible Partners site. It looks really great, every bit as appealing as the eHarmony site. My husband and I met on eHarmony 6 years ago and I think their system is great and works--I'm glad they offer a same-sex site now so lgbt people can take advantage of it. I think they may have just found it simpler from a logistical pov to set up a separate site so that the research they do on lgbt couples can be used there eventually to make it work even better. I have often heard lgbt people object to the statement that their committed relationships are "the same" qualitatively as hetero couples so I would think that it would be a plus to have a site based on research specific to the lgbt population. They had to work with the data they had though in the beginning.
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BobSF94117
09:47 PM on 08/26/2010
Go to the "gay version" and look at the pictures, then go to the straight site.

Maybe it has changed, but the last time I looked several months ago, the straight site is full of marketing photos of happy COUPLES. The gay site? Just photos of individuals. NO couples.