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Kendrick Meek Will Likely Gain In Florida Senate Race, But How Much?

First Posted: 08/26/10 05:58 PM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:30 PM ET

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So what's next in the Florida Senate race? Can Democratic nominee Kendrick Meek convince Florida Democrats to abandon Republican-turned-independent Governor Charlie Crist? And does Crist have a path to victory?

The current polling snapshot can help us understand the challenges that each face, but perhaps more than in any other Senate race, the horse race polling numbers here are potentially volatile and subject to change. This race is definitely one to watch.

The tabulations that pollsters have produced by party are, for now, the most important. I averaged the vote-by-party results reported for the general election by four pollsters, Ipsos Public Affairs, Mason-Dixon Polling & Research, Public Policy Polling (PPP) and Quinnipiac University (my tabulations do not include results from the Rasmussen poll conducted last night and released earlier today, mostly because they did not provide complete results by party for non-subscribers, but the numbers they reported are generally consistent with those below).

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The by-party-numbers show that Meek faces a huge challenge: Crist leads Meek narrowly among Democrats (42% to 37%), while Crist wins a greater share of the vote among Democrats (42%) than among Republicans (20%). Meanwhile, Meek trails Rubio among independents by 22 points (9% to 31%)

The numbers also demonstrate the difficulty Crist will have growing his current support (and keep in mind that Crist trailed Rubio narrowly overall on three of the four surveys). Self-identified independents are a relatively small portion of the likely Florida electorate. In the four polls I looked at 18% of the voters, on average, identified as independent, and Crist is already winning 42% of their support. Thus, even if he can somehow boost his support among independents to 60%, it would add just 3 percentage points to his overall total.

Meanwhile, Meek's obvious strategy is to win over Democrats, fast, and his campaign is wasting no time touting Meek as "the only real Democrat" and reminding reporters of the many conservatives stands Crist took until days before abandoning the Republicans earlier this year. And that strategy also works for Marco Rubio, who joined Meek in pounding Crist this week for not saying who he plans to vote for for majority leader.

All of this, as Politico's Martin and Burns put it, "leaves Crist in the position of having to perform Houdini-like marvels of contortion to find a large enough space in the political middle to keep his independent bid on track."

Not surprisingly, both the Meek and Rubio campaigns agree that "political gravity" will work in Meek's favor. But can Meek really rally from a distant third to challenge Rubio? In a public memo, Meek campaign manager Abe Dyk argues that he can:

With Republicans coalescing around a Tea Party candidate, and Democrats with Kendrick, the math does not exist to elect Charlie Crist. With an expected turnout of 43% Democrats and 40% Republicans, Kendrick needs to win 75% of registered Democrats and just 17% of the registered Independent vote to secure 35% of the vote total. 35%-40% is all that is needed to win in a three-way race.

That math strikes me as a bit optimistic, first in assuming that Democratic voters will outnumber Republicans in Florida this year,** and second in assuming that a candidate can win with less than 40% of the vote while also assuming that Crist's support among Democrats will collapse. But that's mostly quibbling: To run even with Rubio, Meek will need to close the gap among independents and win a percentage of Democrats that is at least as high as Rubio's percentage among Republicans. So whether Meek's goal among Democrats is 75% or 80%, it's a tall order. Can Meek really double his support among Democrats between now and November?

To get a better handle on that question I asked two of the Florida pollsters to tabulate their results among a crucial subgroup: The self-identified Democrats in their surveys that support Crist. The resulting subgroups of "Crist Democrats" are relatively small -- just 106 interviews on the Ipsos survey and 147 on the Quinnipiac poll, yielding margins of error of +/- 10% and +/- 8% respectively -- but the results are largely consistent. They help explain Crist's current appeal among Democrats, but also why he will have trouble maintaining that support.

For example, the Crist Democrats overwhelmingly approve of Barack Obama's performance as president (79% on the Ipsos survey and 80% on Quinnipiac), but not surprisingly, they are even more approving of Crist as governor (90% on the Ipsos survey and 88% on Quinnipiac).

There are also hopeful signs for Meek: Quinnipiac finds that nearly half of the Crist Democrats (45%) say they haven't heard enough about Meek to rate him, and only 20% report an unfavorable rating. Quinnipiac finds that half of the Crist Democrats are self-described liberals (46%), and Ipsos finds 36% "strongly" identify with the Democratic party. Quinnipiac finds that nearly a quarter (23%) are African American.

So collectively these results suggest that Meek has much room to grow, and that "political gravity" is poised to work in his favor. On the other hand, they also suggest that some Democrats will stick with Crist no matter what. What is Crist's floor of support among Democrats? We will have to wait and see.

One thing is certain: Crist's independent candidacy will make voter decisions more complicated than in other races and, for that reason, potentially far more volatile. Voter preferences could shift, and fast, at any point this fall (including the final week). As such, this is a race worth watching.

**Those who want to go deeper into the wonky weeds should know that Dyk's memo references actual party registration, while poll respondents may sometimes report something different. More specifically, while Mason-Dixon asks explicitly about party registration, Quinnipiac and Ipsos use a more traditional party identification question that asks respondents what they "consider" themselves and PPP asks respondents simply whether they "are" Democrats, Republicans or independents. So the numbers I'm reporting are probably slightly different than what Dyk is using.

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So what's next in the Florida Senate race? Can Democratic nominee Kendrick Meek convince Florida Democrats to abandon Republican-turned-independent Governor Charlie Crist? And does Crist have a path t...
So what's next in the Florida Senate race? Can Democratic nominee Kendrick Meek convince Florida Democrats to abandon Republican-turned-independent Governor Charlie Crist? And does Crist have a path t...
 
 
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JayPhilosopher
cineaste philosopher
11:19 PM on 08/30/2010
Congressperson Meek got 57% of the vote and won the Democratic Primary by over 20 points. That is not bad considering that he was outspent 5:1 by his main opponent and polls showed him losing by 10% with three weeks to go.
A lot of people were going to vote against him in the primary because they thought he couldn't win. He was able to persuade those voters at the end that he could win. If polls start showing him in the high 20% and within 10 points of Crist and Rubio with a couple of weeks to go, he might pull it out.
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RMorr2002
06:00 PM on 08/29/2010
Meek does not stand a snowballs chance in Florida of Winning. Hopefully, Meek and Christ will split the Democrat votes, giving Rubio an easy victory and, hopefully, The Republicans the Senate majority.
BlackTantalus
Historian/ex-ad-exec/liberal/Lexus-driver
06:28 PM on 08/28/2010
“. . . and what is it with Florida Republicans that they think Rubio's objective of establishing a Bautista-style Cuban thugocracy in America represents good government?”
05:16 PM on 08/28/2010
I'm a Democrat, but there is no way that Meek can win this. First of all, I watched his primary victory speech. He mentioned, as part his biography, that he suffers from dyslexia (ugh!!!). Why in the world would you mention something like that? That means to most people that you have problems reading. Second (and I say this as a mixed-race black/white like Obama female) he had rap music playing at the post-rally. Obama had country, Americana, and feel-good crossover music playing at these events. Who is running Meek's campaign? Rubio will wipe the floor with him. Someone (maybe Axelrod) needs to get down there ASAP to get this stuff straight. And, more importantly, why is Meek so happy about this primary win? It means absolutely nothing. He won against a flawed candidate who has no history with the Democratic base whatsoever. I also watched some of Meek's debate; it was pitiful to say the least. He desperately needs help, and I mean in a hurry. Quite frankly, only Crist could give Rubio a run for the money, and Meek winning this primary is the worst news Obama could have gotten.
11:09 AM on 08/29/2010
D278 straight, Coppelia1189. This is what I meant when I stated he is not ready for primetime.

Thanks!
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fineartgalaxy
Speaking from the heart, always.
02:07 PM on 08/27/2010
I am a registered Republican that will not vote Republican after GWB. No way. But seriously, party backed up candidates? Sorry, no more of the same old politics. Democrats, Independents, Republicans, same old, same old. For me is no more vote-baby-vote. It is write-baby-write. Blank ballot. Technically, that is a vote in favor of all traditional candidates but, at least I will not feel like a fool any more. I am learning my lesson here. Do not repeat the same old mistakes. Make new ones. There is a better chance with the new mistakes.
01:45 PM on 08/27/2010
This about it, Obama won Ohio and Florida by healthy margins in 2008, but his approval ratings have fallen to the low 40s in both states. This makes RUBIO will win! most of Florida from Orlando up is white and conservative. They are voting for Rubio. Most cubans will no doubt vote for Rubio since he has the Cuban background. Similar to the 99.99 percent of blacks voting for Obama.

Wow Imagine if everyone had voted based on race in 2008 like blacks did? then again I'm glad McCain is not president!
BlackTantalus
Historian/ex-ad-exec/liberal/Lexus-driver
06:30 PM on 08/28/2010
. . . yearning for Bautista!

. . . careful what you wish for.
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bubbuh
09:49 AM on 08/27/2010
Mark Rubio is the candidate of the Ra bid Right, Unfortunately,that's comprises much of the Florida GOPee. Charlie Crist is thecandidate of moderate Republican and Centrist voters. This is thethe swing portion of the electorate that in times past has votedDemocratic (for example, it helped elect Democratic Senator BillNelson and Democratic Governor Lawton Chiles) Kendrick Meek is thecandidate of the Democratic Party. If Charlie Crist chose to dropout of the race, there is absolutely no guarantee that the peoplewho would vote for Crist would vote for Meek, despite what Meeksupportershere think. In fact, i can pretty much guarantee thatbetter than half would NOT support Meek as it stands . The goodnews is that they might not vote for Rubio either.This is an ooglitruth; but, it is the truth nevertheless. If Meek wants to win, heis going to have to campaign vigorously. He is going to have take achance, open up and show people in Florida who he is and what hestands for. He has nothing to lose. There are voters who will nevervote for him. He needs to ignore them and go show those with thelatent open minds that there is another choice on the the ballot.So far, he hasn't. I am a Florida voter by the way.
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sagmann
Political thrillers writer
10:52 AM on 08/27/2010
Bubbuh, I'm impressed. Your comment...no, let me correct that...your explanation of the situation is clearer than any I read in the local newspapers. Your analysis is so professional that I'm unable to see your political preferences. And THAT is a big compliment. You say: "If Meek wants to win, heis going to have to campaign vigorously. He is going to have take achance, open up and show people in Florida who he is and what hestands for. He has nothing to lose." I agree with you 100%. Fav and Fanned, without any restriction. And by the way, I also am a Florida voter...and active Democrat.
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bubbuh
11:15 AM on 08/27/2010
Thanks.  I am  a former professional (it's been a long, long, long time.)  political speechwriter. It's what i did before i did anything else in my adult life.  I  got out because I could not   as they say,  "take the heat." I  viewed it as selling my soul.  I look at Pat Buchanan and Peggy Noonan today and shudder with relief. I did not mean to be "secretive." However, I try never to let my own leanings bias my analyses. I ended up making a living in  MIS business management consulting, statistics and decision support. A track record of being right at my last couple of assignments was always the main recommendation for my next one   Politically, I am and have always been a middle of the road Democrat. About 75% of the US electorate is to my right and 25% is to my left. This puts me about where Obama and Hillary Clinton stand on the political continuum.. 
08:30 PM on 08/27/2010
I enjoyed your comments too !, Bubbuh, and I [a moderately conservative Republican ] would probably agree with "at least some of it, somewhat" : ) , although I'm quite certain none of your presentation, here, gave me a Chris Matthewsesque "thrill running up my leg", as it apparently did for our friend Sagmann. : )

A question and a comment, Bubbuh :

Question : Is "ooglitruth" the actual spelling of the word you intended ?

I'm not familiar with the word, but if you tell me that's its' correct spelling, I won't trouble you to define it for me, but if I knew that was the correct spelling, I'd look it up myself, through Google. : )

2.) Comment : As to Marco Rubio being "the candidate of the rabid right", I'll "both agree and disagree" ; )

I'll agree in that I'd say most [if not all, or virtually all] of the "rabidly right" voters, who'll be voting in this election, will be voting for Rubio.

I'll disagree in the area of whether Marco Rubio himself is "rabidly" right, meaning, as I take it you'd define "rabidly", as something synonmous with his being a "loon", "wingnut", etc., which I in no way think he is.

I've enjoyed watching Rubio's extensive YT videos, TV appearances, etc., and am impressed with him, as a bright, sane, solid, reasonable, principled, highly personable, classic "Reagan conservative", with potential for reaching FAR beyond merely a far right electorate... [Continued]
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bubbuh
08:53 PM on 08/27/2010
HI, I posted the above in the morning when for unknown reasons the site decided to randomly remove spacing between words and lines. So, in addition to my own errata, the site added its "noise." The fact that all who posted during those hours suffered this indignity is scant comfort.

The words you couldn't decipher were "oogli or ugli truth". The first two are variants on the actual word which I don't use since both the automated modderation and the human have been known to indiscriminately delete posts containing that word.

Your opinion of Rubio is your own. I am always troubled by anyone who is willing to give up his own beliefs to pander to the extremists in his party. Just so you know where I'm coming from: Rubio is a lobbyist. He's never had any problem asking the state to spend money on his clients' project's. You call him a "Reagan Conservative." Reagan famously said, "I don't worry about the deficit. it's big enough to take care of itself."

Still think he campaigned among his "base" as a Reagan conservative? Do you seriously think that his "base" will let him change positions now that he is their anointed? They will not let him adopt any of the positions Charlie Crist has staked out. Period.
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sagmann
Political thrillers writer
09:05 PM on 08/27/2010
"I've enjoyed watching Rubio's extensive YT videos, TV appearances, etc., and am impressed with him, as a bright, sane, solid, reasonable, principled, highly personable, classic "Reagan conservative", with potential for reaching FAR beyond merely a far right electorate... " says tomterif.

Yep...good show...another actor.
ropadopa
Exposing the failed conservative experiment
10:46 PM on 08/26/2010
Its been more than 24 hours since Meek won the nomination he should have begun defining Marco Rubio 12 hours ago. As a matter of fact, his victory speech should have been entirely about defining Rubio.

Like all Democratic campaigns he is waiting to be hit before fighting back. What is it about Democrats that makes them afraid of launching the first salvo?
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10:37 PM on 08/26/2010
Crist need to drop out of the race. Clearly he is taking more votes from the true democrat candidate then from the bagger.
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
10:41 PM on 08/26/2010
Charlie Crist is a Republicanocrat. Kinda like Ralph Nader. If you can't win, screw it up for everyone else.
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10:52 PM on 08/26/2010
Exactly. He couldn't win as a repub, now he's going to secrew it up for the democrats. He needs to get out. I will never vote for him.
01:19 PM on 08/27/2010
How is Nader like a "Republicanocrat"? If anything, he's the opposite! He's an independent who has NEVER been a member of any party, has been a leading proponent of busting up the corporatist two-party Uniparty duopoly, and for FIXING the electoral process so it CAN'T be screwed up. IF any of the major parties really cared about fixing the system to make it fair and more representative of the vast numbers of viewpoints, they could have done so for years, by instituting proportional representation, or ranked voting, or "none of the above" choices. But they don't precisely to maintain a monopoly and use the spoiler excuse to justify their own shortcomings.
12:30 AM on 08/27/2010
I don't understand what you would see would be Crist's motivation for dropping out of this race, Dana, other than if things ever got to the point where he might decide "it's looking like he just doesn't really have any realistic chance to win".

You do realize, don't you, that, up until quite recently, Crist was the REPUBLICAN Governor of Florida, and then he set out win the REPUBLICAN nomination for U.S. Senator, against Marco Rubio, but Rubio came from nowhere [from really WAY back in the polls] to overtake Crist, and then, over time, build up a rather huge lead, in the Republican polls.

When that happened, Crist realized he had essentially 3 options :

1) Stay in the Republican primary, and lose to Rubio

2.) Drop out of the race altogether

3) Switch to running as an Independent, and try to win the Senate race that way, in a 3 way race against Rubio and the Democratic nominee.

He chose "what was behind door # 3" : )

That being said, it's hard to imagine what his motivation would be for "needing to drop out of the race", Dana, certainly from your perspective, as I take it a Democrat.

Crist is NOT a Democrat, so of course has no interest in seeing that any majority of votes go to a "true Democrat".

So at this point, the only major motivation one could see, for Crist dropping out, would be if he decided "he just couldn't win".
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07:57 AM on 08/27/2010
Crist has been distancing himself from the right and atracting more interest from liberals. He can only do more harm than good at this point. He should drop out and focus getting meeks elected.
08:38 PM on 08/27/2010
Assuming you understood my original basic points to you, Dana [which frankly doesn't at all look to be the case], I'll still totally disagree with your above post's contentions..

As I see this, Crist is only in this election for ONE AND ONLY ONE purpose, which is simply "to win this election for Charlie Crist".

Crist is not at all particularly "liberal", as you would define "liberal" ; He's essentially a Republican moderate.

As such, he has absolutely NO particular interest in getting a Democratic ultra-liberal, such as Kendrick Meek, elected to the United States Senate, which is what you're not at all seeming to understand here, as I see it.

As I see it, any "distancing himself from the right", and "attracting more interest from liberals", that's been going on with Crist, isn't truly any sign that Crist himself is actually "becoming more liberal".

It's strictly a very calculated politically strategic move, on Crist's part, in trying to accomplish the one and only one thing Crist is looking to accomplish here, which, as I said, is to get Charlie Crist elected U.S. Senator from Florida.

The ONLY reason, as I see it, Crist is "distancing himself from the right", and thereby "attracting more interest from liberals", is not because his political views have sincerely changed, in any way.

It's simply because, politically strategically speaking, he knows he can in no way "out conservative" Rubio, who's a true conservative, and simply has the conservative vote locked up.
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samtee
Shankapotomus.
09:43 PM on 08/26/2010
what's next-Rubio wins big
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
09:49 PM on 08/26/2010
Rubio wins big shopping spree! That's what's next.
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0334231
09:35 PM on 08/26/2010
Let's just say Rubio will win, if Meeks drops out Charlie could pull the lever. The Problem with Meeks are the northern white voters, who are not familiar with him, and the further north, is Fox and friends country...I am concerned that we will have a Tea party senator...it's sad that the right has mobilized and high-jacked the Republic,,,,just when I though we were on the brink of change, we are taking 12 steps backwards by the weeks and months....What happen ? Why are we so vurnable as independents and democtrats....where did we go wronng ?
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Michele Brown
09:40 PM on 08/26/2010
his name is meek, not meeks.

don't give up the ship.
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0334231
09:58 PM on 08/26/2010
I haven't given up. What I'm concerned about is the Republican stratagy, and how Fox News and others, high-jacked the democratic party and the Obama Admin. It seems like a bad dream....I fault one person Obama..bailed out wallstreet and not main street, denied us the Public Option on health care, still supports an un-poppular war, people are still being foreclosed upon, high unemployment, etc...
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0334231
10:00 PM on 08/26/2010
Michele Brown : OK a typo , meek and not meeks, who cares ? He's gonna lose anyway, and by the way, I'm voting for Charlie Crist, unless he says or do something stupid...
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
09:48 PM on 08/26/2010
Let's not say Rubio will win.
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0334231
10:02 PM on 08/26/2010
Let's not say Meek is behind in the polls...
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Michele Brown
09:28 PM on 08/26/2010
I am a Florida Independent for Meek. The dem grassroots groups here will get a move on here.
Remember we were a blue state in the presidential election. We will stay blue in the senate race.
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
09:45 PM on 08/26/2010
Ooo , you're almost just like me blue and a stickler for spelling. Fanned and faved.
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
09:46 PM on 08/26/2010
Although my punctuation leaves a bit to be desired.
scipio2009
Alan Wolfe's "The Future of Liberalism"
09:08 PM on 08/26/2010
Summing up everything, if I'm fully understanding it, the Florida race is still highly volatile, with both Meek and Crist having reasonable paths to knocking off Rubio for the nomination, and Meek's only real path coming from having most of the Democratic support coalesce around him, with some Independents breaking his way, and Charlie Crist taking hold of the moderate and centrist Republicans, in addition to the bulk of Independents, splitting the Republican Party from Marco Rubio.
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Hwrd Sprague
09:18 PM on 08/26/2010
The repubs will solidly support Rubio who will get elected.
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
09:28 PM on 08/26/2010
Charlie Crist is a Republicanocrat. Kinda like Ralph Nader. If you can't win, screw it up for everyone else.
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kcinpa
Stop the insanity: PEOPLE before corporations!!!!!
09:28 PM on 08/26/2010
Unlike the Dems who are talking Charlie Crist nonsense. That's one thing I admire about the repubs: right or wrong, they stick together.
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kcinpa
Stop the insanity: PEOPLE before corporations!!!!!
09:30 PM on 08/26/2010
My sentiments exactly. Fav'ing all who have the guts to stand with Meek!
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
09:37 PM on 08/26/2010
Oooo, fave me!
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sagmann
Political thrillers writer
11:04 AM on 08/27/2010
"Fav'ing all who have the guts to stand with Meek," kcinpa? That's a club making sense!. Here is my adhesion. Fav/Fan.
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nationalhealth
08:23 PM on 08/26/2010
Here is an example of voting for who I wish risks putting in the person I really don't want.

When I vote for Meek, will this increases the chances that Rubio wins in a three way (some say so).

Do I go for Crist who is the "enemy of my enemy"? If Crist wins will he coccus with the Dems? I am not that sure.

I have decided to go for Meek and let the chips fall where they may.
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NameUnknown
How others see you is less important than how you
08:31 PM on 08/26/2010
Well,at lease Meek has two votes. Fanned and Faved
08:38 PM on 08/26/2010
Three votes.

I'm paraphrasing Alexander Hamilton when I say if you stand for everything, you must believe in nothing. Chain gang Charlie, our own version of Prop 8 in '08, and now he's no longer the bad guy? Please.

I'm standing with Meek.
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08:41 PM on 08/26/2010
Fanned!
08:13 PM on 08/26/2010
Meek, Alex Sink and Dan Gelber are already planning rallies together... will be @ the Florida State Fairgrounds in Tampa and UCF this Saturday. Florida has a pretty strong Dem ticket up and down, the reason alot of folk don't know about Meek is because they were too busy on the couch watching Greene, Rubio and Scott's TV commercials while Meek was visiting every county in Florida. The ground game is there.
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Michele Brown
09:36 PM on 08/26/2010
yep...the big dollars did all the talking in the primaries. ground game is definitely here as it was in 2008
04:24 PM on 08/27/2010
You sound rather knowledgeable about the details of Florida politics, Worldb, and that makes me wonder if you might be a Florida resident, who's getting to see all these things "up close and personal".

So on that possibility, Worldb, I'd now like to get to what's REALLY the most overwhelmingly important question, here, which I, as a staunch New York Jets fan, would like to ask you if you could possibly help me out with, which is :

What [if anything] might you be able to tell me about how the MIAMI DOLPHINS ground game is looking, for this upcoming season ? : )