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China Premier Wen Jiabao Says Japanese Companies' Wages Too Low

ANITA CHANG   08/29/10 03:16 AM ET   AP

China Japan Wages

BEIJING — Premier Wen Jiabao told a visiting Japanese delegation Sunday that Japanese companies operating in China should address workers' unhappiness over low wages that he says led to labor disputes this year.

Wen's comment comes after Japanese Foreign Miniter Katsuya Okada called for "transparent policies" governing workers in China, saying the labor disputes that halted work at dozens of factories were troubling to Japanese companies.

Okada brought up the issue at a high-level economic meeting between China and Japan – the world's second and third largest economies – held in Beijing to discuss ways to recover from the economic crisis and foster regional cooperation. Wen met the Japanese delegation on Sunday.

"Labor disputes are occuring at some foreign companies, where there is a problem of relatively low wages. We would like (Japan) to address this issue," Wen told Japanese officials, according to a news release by Japan's foreign ministry.

Okada said Saturday that the sides discussed ensuring transparent policies during talks on how to improve the business environment in China. "As to the recent frequent labor dispute issue, the Japanese side expressed willingness to further strengthen discussion."

The widespread strikes were rare for China but the government permitted them, apparently trying to put more money in workers' pockets as part of efforts to boost consumer spending.

The Chinese delegation at the meeting said the strikes were to be expected because wages had been frozen for two years to help companies ride out the economic crisis, Japan Foreign Ministry spokesman Satoru Sato told reporters at a briefing late Saturday.

The Japanese were "not so satisfied with this explanation, we still think this is very important to Japanese companies operating here," he said.

They also urged China to ease export controls on rare metals used in computers, hybrid electric cars and other high-tech products.

"These limitations are affecting the global production chain," Sato said.

China would not stop exporting rare earth, but the tightened restrictions were necessary to address overdevelopment and smuggling problems, Wen said.

Vice Premier Wang Qishan, who led the Chinese delegation, said the economies of the two counties are interdependent and China has "huge market potential."

"The economies of both countries highly rely on each other. Economic and trade cooperation have been improved in a firm manner. Bilateral trade has recovered rapidly and has exceeded levels from before the financial crisis," Wang said.

The meeting came after government statistics released earlier this month showed that China had surpassed Japan as the world's second-biggest economy after three decades of blistering growth that puts overtaking the U.S. in reach within 10 years.

Japan is still far richer per person, but the news is more proof of the arrival of China, with 10 times Japan's population, as a force that is altering the global balance of commercial, political and military power.

This was the third high-level economic dialogue between the two sides, following talks in June last year in Tokyo and a first round in December 2007 in Beijing.

Discussion topics on Saturday also included cooperation in high-end manufacturing, energy conservation, environmental protection, food safety and opposition to protectionism, Wang said.

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Associated Press writer Mari Yamaguchi contributed to this report from Tokyo.

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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
03:08 PM on 08/30/2010
What if an American president tells the Chinese something similar - you are not paying enough in China and because of it our Americans jobs are leaving our country for China. But we all know that will never happen because American presidents do not represent American people; they represent American corporations. If it is good enough for corporations it is good enough for Amerika! ;-)
02:56 PM on 08/30/2010
I'm just curious to see how the salary of a Chinese person working at a Honda or Toyota plant compares to the salary of one working for a competing factory say Ford, or GM? All these story say their salaries are too low, but compared to what? If they Japanese companies are really paying too low compared to other manufacturers in the same industry, then I would have to agree that they should be complaining. However, if they are just complaining because they want more money, then it's time for these people to be replaced. And why are governments complaining to each other about matters in the private sector? The two should be unrelated...
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sposton
right to tell what they don't want to hear
03:04 PM on 08/30/2010
You think in American terms.
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Ramkshrestha
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02:52 PM on 08/30/2010
Business in business.
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katwright
01:36 PM on 08/30/2010
We can say whatever we want, that the Chinese are communist and brainwashed (true), they get paid very low wages (true). There is something that they do right. Millions of poorer then dirt Chinese are not so poor anymore. Whatever they did, it worked and pulled a lot of them out of poverty. It is a big accomplishment!
02:57 PM on 08/30/2010
Well if that is not the case, we won't be bothered to talk about China now, do we?

The fact that we constantly talk about China is precise that - it possess an alternative path to our Ponzi Scheme way of life. There is an alternative to the continuing feeding of resources INTO some "consuming markets" and OUT with some "paper money" or "international trade token/credit" - it is called "Hard Work" where goods are traded with goods.

China opens the eyes of the world to the core of so called "Western Value" and that is its most celebreated "cr**ime"
01:23 PM on 08/30/2010
Higher wages for workers? Have they learned nothing from Wall Street?
The little greed pills the leadership takes must be wearing off.

Every raise in China is good news for Americans and the Chinese workers.

Have they heard of paid vacation, sick days, overtime and profit sharing?
The race to the bottom can't go on.

Strike more!
Demand more!
11:18 AM on 08/30/2010
No No No. China is complaining that Japanese companies operating in China are not paying Chinese workers enough to avoid unrest. The Chinese are an economic oligarchy that really couldn't care less about creating a consumer economy with a vibrant middle class. They're more interested in creating a world-beating industrial base without creating a popular uprising in the process. Why? Because industrial-bases WIN WARS.

Japan is like any other capitalist society: their big companies drool over the low wages and almost non-existent labor/environmental controls in China. But, I wouldn't look for Japan's major industries to move to China because Japan understands that you can't be a great power unless you can out-produce an enemy in time of war. Both Japan and China (and, to some extent, Europe) know this, and all of these regions have export controls in place to prevent the offshoring of critical industries. China can't rape the Japanese economy because the Japanese won't allow it.

The US has become a decadent warrior culture that no longer understands what it takes to be a great power. Their businessmen have taken on an "every man for himself" mentality. Their cultural myths tell them that American exceptionalism is what makes their military great, and will carry them through their next great power confrontation. When they can't get steel for warships without the say-so of China, or any kind of advanced weapon without an Asian supply chain, they will be in for a rude awakening.
12:05 PM on 08/30/2010
America has the world's 2% population, yet enjoys 25% of its resource. So the only way for this to happen is through "shake down" on the world. It is what makes America great. And this is the actual American Exceptionalism.

But then "as long as I can make it, it is the right way" is the core of Anglo-Saxxon values, transformed from the even more ruthless Jungle Laws back from the good old days. So it is actually an improvement. Fundamentally, instead of invading and plummeting (the ruthless old ways), it is now the more subtle way of financial manipulation and "fleecing of the golden sheeps" on appropriate intervals (the modern way).

There is nothing wrong with that. "As long as I can get it, it is the right way." But the problem is, more and more people around the world have seen through all this so called "Western" Value and are refusing to continue the Ponzi Scheme of keep supplying more and more resource to build up this Sand Castle. And eventually only WAR can restart the whole scheme again after total destruction and rebuild.

The planet is getting more dangrous each day, unless the world continues the supply of goods for these "honorable warriors" to consume and rest. It seems China is doing that - still maintain the status quo and continue the supply of resources to this land of warriors and consumers living behind them.
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cgeorgan
Proud American-Canadian Libertarian
10:52 AM on 08/30/2010
Dear China,

You can only tell your own people what to do.

Thanks,
The West.
11:34 AM on 08/30/2010
Japan is not the west. Don't try to create an "artificial camp" or "exclusionary club" for power puppet play. It is as East as Apple Pie is American.
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cgeorgan
Proud American-Canadian Libertarian
11:58 AM on 08/30/2010
It was, until Commodore Perry showed up.
12:54 PM on 08/30/2010
I am looking forward to Perry making the whole world the "West"

But I don't think it is profitable as you need Non-West to work on making resource for the "West" to consume.

Hmmm ... I am sticking with "West" as it is more profitable.
11:36 AM on 08/30/2010
By the way, the notion of "West" is high artificial to begin with. It is bascially Anglo-Saxxon, sided by the Jews and the power to print money and force the world to trade in this money, that actually makes up the core of this so-call "West"
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cgeorgan
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11:58 AM on 08/30/2010
Interesting, my understanding of "The West" encompasses far more than the Anglo-Saxxons you've delineated as its core.
12:53 PM on 08/30/2010
Ain't that a good and profitable understanding? :)
09:09 AM on 08/30/2010
OMG...ROFLMAO...Isn't this what the Americans are saying about the Chinese? Cheap labour being the foundation of capitalist formation. Are we to deny that the infrastructure, edifices, and economy of Western capitalism was built on the back of slavery?

So if the Chinese government is arguing for increased salaries in Japan does it follow that they are for 'workers rights', or is there something else going on here?

Aaahhh...so here's the deal. Higher labour costs in Japan will nullify Japan as a major competitor for cheap products. It has nothing to do with workers or their well-being. It has everything to do with China eviscerating the Japanese economy just as it has done to the US economy. Eventually the Japanese just like the Americans will have to surrender to Chinese slave wages as a engine for capital growth.

I can see Japanese workers applauding, but as the Chinese eventually rape their economy with capital flight, it will eventually dawn on them that China is trying to do to them exactly what they have done to America. The only question is whether Japan can balance the need for decent, sustainable wages with the necessary tools to prevent capital flight. So the issue is not at all about Japanese workers, its about Japanese capital...something the Americans failed to realise until their workers and their economy had been, and continues to be, decimated by Chinese slave labour.
09:07 AM on 08/30/2010
This is the ketel calling the pot black.

China is the last country in the world that has any standing on calling out
another country for low wages.
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Amalek
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07:59 AM on 08/30/2010
Interesting blend of communism and capitalism at work here.

China was formed as a workers revolution, so it is consistent with Marxism for Wen to ask for a fairer distribution of income - to each according to his needs, from each according to his ability.

And the model of paying workers more so they can buy your junk - essential to the long-term prosperity of China - is a concept taken from Henry Ford, who insisted on paying his workers well so they could buy his cars.
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03:36 AM on 08/30/2010
Maybe we can ask Premier Wen Jiabao to come over to the US and talk to Walmart among others about paying a fair family wage, since no politicians here seems willing to do it ---
olddognewtrick
Half full or half empty...It's the same
03:13 AM on 08/30/2010
Was that a Yuan or are you just tired of seeing me?
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
02:28 AM on 08/30/2010
LOL. Premier Wen basically means, "You need to pay your workers more, so your workers can buy more Chinese products, and so your own products become even more expensive, so nobody will buy your stuff and will buy Chinese stuff instead."
06:14 AM on 08/30/2010
You did not EVEN read the article and immediately run your mouth, right?
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Talossa
Not all liberals are silly.
09:38 AM on 08/30/2010
No, I read the whole article and summed up what I thought the message behind Wen's meddling in Japanese affairs amounted to. Chinese factories on the coast are already shutting down and moving into the interior because wages are too high [sic!] among the experienced, savvier workers on the coast.

Like every other modern economy, China will have to deal with industrial unrest at some point -- and I don't hold out much hope for a fascist dictatorship like China dealing with it wisely.
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Amalek
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07:55 AM on 08/30/2010
No, he said you need to pay your Chinese workers more, so they can buy more of your products. It is Henry Ford's model.
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10:46 PM on 08/29/2010
Its pretty bad to be called out by China for abusing their people.
10:59 PM on 08/29/2010
That is a cheap shot.

Beijing is responsible for lifting hundreds of millions of her people up from abject poverty. In the 60 years since the establishment of the Chicom government, improvements to the people's lives in China (as measured by improvements in literacy, life expectancy, etc.) ranks the govt. as one of the best in Chinese history.
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11:03 PM on 08/29/2010
Cheap shot?.........is that a pun?
China doesnt care about its people.Never did.
11:40 PM on 08/29/2010
There's still the quite volatile antipathy towards Japan from the calamities of the 20 th century ,some of those recent protests against Japanese policies ..the imaginative reworking of school textbooks have caused considerable outrage in broad sections of Chinese society.It s the next move for China in it s quest to be the Asian leader to bring Japan within it s economic sphere,and it s probably going to be the test bed for changing the conditions in low wage(comparatively)manufacturing especially with it s asian neighbours.Japan clearly and in a short space of time will have most to lose to it s gargantuan neighbour,once again the weakest of Japanese self reliance on it s own(lack of)resources will essentially reduce it s bargaining power over time.When we talk about racism in Japan it s pretty evident that their intractability and obstinate attitude may have developed from some long held notions of Asian supremacy,this is what the new China is going to kick out of them bit by bit.This little exchange above will probably have a lot more significance in the near future.
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10:41 PM on 08/29/2010
The Rare Earth Element Crisis


A Congressional Research Service report considers whether U.S. dependency on foreign sources of rare earth elements threatens the defense and technology industries.

"The Department of Defense is facing a near-term shortage of key 'rare earth' materials necessary to support our defense weapon systems, and rare earth magnets are especially critical. ...," he said in a statement. "Today, the United States does not have a manufacturer of neodymium iron boron rare earth magnets, yet they are found in our precision guided munitions, ships, aircraft, and other critical weapons systems.”

Critical to the discussion is the fact that 97% of rare earth element production is currently controlled by China, where internal demand is rising and interest in exporting these materials is becoming more complicated as China's leaders look to take advantage of their country's market dominance.


www.informationweek.com/news/government/.../showArticle.jhtml?... - Cached

Why afganistan?
10:50 PM on 08/29/2010
So it should be GREAT NEWS for America, as the rapid rise in rare earth prices would fan development in the U.S., and mining jobs are not ones that can be outsourced!!

I believe that the report mentioned that the California mine was producing up to 20,000 MT a year, before the low worldwide prices caused the closure. So this is a great gift that the Chicoms are giving Americans - good paying jobs and a hot exportable resources. According to the report, America has KNOWN RESERVES equal to 13 million tons of rare earths, and the reserves are only going to go higher with more exploration. The entire worldwide demand is less than 100,000 tons a year. So there is no issue of depletion.

WHY would this be a problem? It sounds like an all around opportunity for America!!
10:56 PM on 08/29/2010
It would seem like America should be negotiating with the Chicoms to form a rare earths cartel, and turn the tables on the oil exporters.