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ACLU, CCR Sue Obama To Block 'Targeted Killings'

LARRY NEUMEISTER   08/30/10 09:31 PM ET   AP

Obama Targeted Killings

NEW YORK — Two civil liberties groups sued the federal government on Monday to try to block its targeted killing overseas of a U.S.-born cleric believed to have inspired recent attacks in the United States.

The American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia for the father of cleric Anwar al-Awlaki, who's believed to be hiding in his parents' native Yemen. Defendants were President Barack Obama, CIA Director Leon C. Panetta and Secretary of Defense Robert M. Gates.

The groups, both based in New York, said it was unconstitutional to intentionally try to kill al-Awlaki unless he presents a specific imminent threat to life or physical safety and only killing him will eliminate the threat. The Obama administration cited al-Awlaki's growing role with al-Qaida when it placed him on the CIA's list of targets.

Al-Awlaki was put on the list after U.S. intelligence authorities tied him to Sept. 11 hijackers and concluded he had provided inspiration for those who carried out shootings in Fort Hood, Texas, a failed Times Square car bombing and an attempted Christmas Day bombing of a jetliner approaching Detroit.

The lawsuit seeks a court order declaring that the U.S. Constitution prohibits the government's targeted killings of U.S. citizens, including al-Awlaki, unless there's a concrete and imminent threat to life and there's no other way to prevent it.

In a statement, Department of Justice spokesman Matthew Miller defended the U.S. position. He said Congress has authorized the use of all necessary and appropriate force against al-Qaida and associated groups.

"The U.S. is careful to ensure that all its operations used to prosecute the armed conflict against those forces, including lethal operations, comply with all applicable laws, including the laws of war," Miller said.

He said the U.S. government has the authority under domestic and international law and the responsibility to its citizens to use force to defend itself "in a manner consistent with those laws."

"This administration is using every legal measure available to defeat al-Qaeda, and we will continue to do so as long as its forces pose a threat to this nation," Miller said in the statement.

Al-Awlaki was born in 1971 in New Mexico. His father, Nasser al-Awlaki, who had moved to the United States to study agriculture at New Mexico State University in 1966, returned the family in 1978 to Yemen, where he served as agriculture minister.

The younger al-Awlaki returned to the United States in 1991 to study civil engineering at Colorado State University before pursuing a master's degree at San Diego State University, followed by doctoral work at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., where he remained until December 2001.

He was a preacher at mosques in California and Virginia before moving to the United Kingdom in 2003 and to Yemen in 2004.

The lawsuit notes al-Awlaki hasn't been publicly indicted for any terrorism-related crime, though Yemeni officials have stated they are taking measures to arrest him. He has been detained by the government of Yemen before and was imprisoned for 18 months there in 2006 and 2007, the lawsuit notes.

Since at least January, al-Awlaki has been hiding in Yemen and has had no communication with his father because to do so would endanger his life, the lawsuit says.

ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero said a program that authorizes killing U.S. citizens without judicial oversight, due process or disclosed standards is "unconstitutional, unlawful and un-American."

CIA spokesman George Little said his agency acts "in strict accord with American law."

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FunkSands 12:05 AM on 08/31/2010
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I'm calling B. s. You wouldn't support our special operations teams moving to the ground and destroying these people any more than you would support a drone. You simply have your head in the sand and refuse to believe that there are bad people in the world bent on doing bad things and they need to be eliminated.
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Michael Valentine
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06:37 PM on 08/31/2010
Now we know why President Obama didn't pursue Bush Administration for war crimes, he had his own war crimes in mind.
05:24 PM on 08/31/2010
After almost twenty years of war, starting with the first desert war in 1991, thru the 11 years of sanctions and bombings of Iraq, until today, each time the US killed someone in its quest for domination of the planet, 3 more resistance fighters took that dead persons place. In the end, there will be billions against our 300 million and the tide will turn to those who have been persecuted by our war machine. Their day of deliverance and justice is coming as sure as God made little green apples. Blowback is going to be hell.
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innerpuppie
The truth is an absolute defense...
02:18 PM on 08/31/2010
I'm old enough to remember that there was a time when war was war and that collateral damage happened and that you didn't tippy-toe around people and neighborhoods where the enemy may be hiding or hidden by residents. If we are at war - we are at war. I am so tired of our young people dying on foreign soil for no good reason other than to maintain a foothold in oil or mineral country. Bring all of our people home and then blast the cr*p out of Afghanistan and Iran and Iraq and the whole region. I'm tired of being politically correct. The longer we spend good money after bad fighting wars that shouldn't be, the deeper in debt we become and the deeper our recession and the deeper our unemployment and the deeper our despair. My greatest fear is that the US is going to follow the same path as Rome centuries ago. If you look at their history you will see our future.
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Marcelo Munoz
02:53 PM on 08/31/2010
We are halfway there. We are paying for the Bread and Circuses right now.
05:24 PM on 08/31/2010
Amen.
01:45 PM on 08/31/2010
Just out of curiosity, is Anwar al-Awlaki a de facto member of al-Qaida? If so,he probably swore an oath to that organization which voids his U.S. citensenship. That would make him a legitimate target of opportunity.

If he is not a member of al-Qaida, then there is certainly probable cause of giving "aid and comfort to an enemy during a time of war", which is treason. In that case, could he possibly be tried "in absentia"? Again, just curious.
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homer winslow
Truth in Beauty, Beauty in Truth
02:52 PM on 08/31/2010
But we do not prosecute traitors anymore as evidenced by the fact that Bush and Cheney are still free men.
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
10:09 PM on 08/31/2010
Yemen seems to believe that he has nothing to do with Al Qaeda. On the other hand I heard a Yemeni reporter stating that he may turn to them for protection given his life is threatened by his fellow Americans.
01:38 PM on 08/31/2010
At least Obama is killing them and not water boarding them. That would really be an outrage.
02:01 PM on 08/31/2010
How do you know that no one is getting tortured at Guantanamo or at Baghram prisons?
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truthglow
02:28 PM on 08/31/2010
He's doing both. Just like Bushie-Boy. No better.
01:29 PM on 08/31/2010
Hey, Einsteins....the Constitution only affords protection to citizens LIVING HERE.

duh.

They are subject to the laws & protections of their host nation, and/or our own policies regarding how we treat terrorists in foreign lands.

Al-Awlaki is more than welcome to come to the USA & enjoy his constitutional rights!!
Grunty1
Micro-bio this
01:47 PM on 08/31/2010
Please provide the legal basis for your opinion.

Because it reeks of BS to me.
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MyResponsibility
To Disagree,one need not be disagreeable
02:03 PM on 08/31/2010
It's really simple. The US Constitution is the law of the United States. It is not recognized as law in Peru, or Mexico, or Canada, or Afghanistan, or Iran, or any other country that has its own laws.

From the inside cover of my US Passport:

"The Secretary of State of the United States of America hereby REQUESTS all whom it may concern to permit the citizen/national of the United States named herein to pass without delay or hindrance and in case of need to give them lawful aid and protection." [emphasis mine]

Why do you suppose that the SOS is "requesting" such things, instead of demanding that the foreign government recognize our Constitution?
02:08 PM on 08/31/2010
Mmmm. Maybe I don't have to pay taxes in Germany because I'm still an American citizen. Cool. ;-)
01:20 PM on 08/31/2010
Still less than a thousand comments on one of the most tyrannical abuses of Presidential power in American history. Sad. I guess we'll have to wait until we have another Republican President for progressives to remember they're supposed to care about civil liberties.
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truthglow
02:30 PM on 08/31/2010
So what are you doing about this issue, besides complaining about everyone else?
02:55 PM on 08/31/2010
Like most here, complaining... later voting.
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MikeWebster
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10:13 PM on 08/31/2010
I think that those who support the extra-judicial killing of Americans by their own Government are not progressive.
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LibertarianJon
Ron Paul 2012!!!
01:09 PM on 08/31/2010
This is the precise reason that we haven't won a war since Vietnam.....
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1logicalthinker
with occasional humorous overtones :)
01:42 PM on 08/31/2010
Nor did we win in Vietnam, nor Korea, but we kept the funeral industry, and the tombstone industry, and the the members of the military industrial complex, and their kept politicians employed ;)
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Marcelo Munoz
02:47 PM on 08/31/2010
Notice that no one has argued your point.
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MikeWebster
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10:21 PM on 08/31/2010
I think the point is that you can't win a war if you do not allow the Federal Government an unlimited right to kill its own citizens.

Not much of a point though.
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LogicalMathMan
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12:40 PM on 08/31/2010
Alternate Title: How to raise the next Bin Laden?
12:08 PM on 08/31/2010
kill him. take as many of the crazy's with him as possible
12:04 PM on 08/31/2010
"The groups, both based in New York, said it was unconstitutional to intentionally try to kill al-Awlaki unless he presents a specific imminent threat to life or physical safety and only killing him will eliminate the threat."
WHY? I mean aren't we splitting hairs. certainly his constitutional protections outweigh the inconvenience of hundreds or thousands who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, right? I mean they were going to die someday anyway.
C'mon rally around the slayer of innocent women and children
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Marcelo Munoz
02:48 PM on 08/31/2010
NOTHING outweighs the Constitution. Anybody that tells you otherwise is deceiving you.
05:31 PM on 08/31/2010
There is a law authorizing this....it was created by Congress. Congress according to the Constitution is the organization in our government that creates laws. This law has not been ruled Unconstitutional...so therefore it is a law.
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
10:23 PM on 08/31/2010
Hundreds of Thousands - this guy sure is a major killer - though I doubt whether you'd be able to find any evidence for that.
12:04 PM on 08/31/2010
"The groups, both based in New York, said it was unconstitutional to intentionally try to kill al-Awlaki unless he presents a specific imminent threat to life or physical safety and only killing him will eliminate the threat."
WHY? I mean aren't we splitting hairs. certainly his constitutional protections outweigh the inconvenience of hundreds or thousands who were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, right? I mean they were going to die someday anyway.
C'mon rally around the killer of innocent women and children
12:31 PM on 08/31/2010
the us military has killed more civilains than al qaeda could ever dream of >>> http://www.iraqbodycount.org/
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LogicalMathMan
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12:39 PM on 08/31/2010
I've tried rationalizing this with the detractors.....water on a duck's back...fanned!
12:42 PM on 08/31/2010
Just to be clear. Even if correct, that body is count is civilians killed by everyone. And since suicide attacks, bombings and shootings by terrorists make up the vast majority of the deaths, the US Military is in no way responsible for most of those. In fact, Al Qaeda has killed more civilians in Iraq than the US MIlitary by a wide margin.
Grunty1
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01:49 PM on 08/31/2010
[certainly his constitutional protections outweigh the inconvenience of hundreds]

That's exactly what the heck its for. Or did you think the Bill of Rights was there so people COULD mess if your life?
02:50 PM on 08/31/2010
no that's great. i'm sure if your family was hurt you'd enthusiastically advocate on behalf of the dirt bag who committed the atrocity
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behindEnemyLines
Put down the talking point pamphlet.
12:01 PM on 08/31/2010
Does he get the label of war criminal yet for all the drone strikes and targetting of individuals?
12:08 PM on 08/31/2010
lol
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12:09 PM on 08/31/2010
Yes.
12:01 PM on 08/31/2010
Targeting clergy for stirring up trouble? While some of my atheist friends might -very briefly - think that this is a good idea (the guy who eggs on the protests at soldiers funerals comes to mind as a potential target, followed by most television evangelists) ...I think that this is a true 'slippery slope'...it is currently against the law for the US Government to kill people that they don't like - in the United States. Of course, it is also against the law to wiretap without a warrant...
And if we are to look at - as one poster suggested "some people just need killing"...perhaps we should look a little closer to home - say - to some Wall Street CEOs??? (oh, where is the sarchasm font when you really need it???)
12:11 PM on 08/31/2010
nor should the freedoms protected under our constitution be a death sentence. i get your point but like the bad guys hiding among innocents in churches, schools, hospitals etc. they hide here among our freedoms. surely there is some reasonable middle ground
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zahavi
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02:15 PM on 08/31/2010
A reasonable middle ground does not include murder of a US citizen by representatives of our government.
12:33 PM on 08/31/2010
You can see the difference between someone who is involved in terrorism and someone involved in exercising their free speech, right?
Grunty1
Micro-bio this
01:50 PM on 08/31/2010
Between the funeral protestors and the "cleric", which is which?
KnoxScott
whatever
11:54 AM on 08/31/2010
WHAT A JOKE--cant these so called "unions" actually do something good with the money that is donated to their so called cause.
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zahavi
selected, naturally
02:21 PM on 08/31/2010
The good they do exceeds your capacity to grasp the idea of rule of law. The "so-called" cause is preventing the destruction of Constitutional protections for the individual. The only joke is that these "so-called" unions also work for dolts who think they can preserve freedom by taking it away from American citizens.