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Banks Playing 'Foreclosure Roulette' With Delinquent Homeowners

First Posted: 9/1/10 Updated: 5/25/11

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Bea Garwood has been bracing for foreclosure since May, but she says she's been told three times to expect a sheriff's sale in the next month and it still hasn't happened.

"We really at this point do not know where we are in the process," said Garwood, who lives in Pinckney, Mich. with her husband. "We have no clue. We haven't even heard from Chase bank in three weeks."

The Garwoods may have had a lucky spin in the game that industry analyst Sean O'Toole calls "Foreclosure Roulette."

Banks don't want to recognize losses by having to put homes on the market at foreclosure-sale prices, but they don't want to encourage borrowers to quit making payments either, so, O'Toole believes, they randomly foreclose on some people to prevent widespread "moral hazard." The rest are left hanging with the help of the government's "extend and pretend" approach to the collapse of the housing bubble.

"We just don't have the political appetite to bail homeowners out," said O'Toole, CEO of ForeclosureRadar.com. "On the other hand, we don't have the political appetite to kick them out."

Last year the Garwoods tried to modify the mortgage on their Pinckney, Mich. home under the Obama administration's Home Affordable Modification Program, which is supposed to put eligible borrowers into a three-month trial period before making the modification "permanent" for five years. The Garwoods' trial period dragged on for nine months before they received a letter of rejection in March. They've been waiting anxiously since then for the day they will finally lose their house.

It may be a while. The average foreclosure now takes 469 days, according to Lender Processing Services, whereas it took 319 days at the beginning of 2009. Many industry analysts say that is due to the Troubled Asset Relief Program, HAMP, and federal accounting-rule changes.

"We weakened accounting standards to allow banks to keep non-paying mortgages in their books at full value," wrote economist Dean Baker, co-director of the progressive Center for Economic and Policy Research. "Banks also know that they are looking at glutted markets right now, so they have little incentive to take possession of a home and then try to sell it. And, the HAMP and other programs mostly delay foreclosures and hand money to banks, instead of keeping people in their homes."

American Banker reported last week that the procrastination on foreclosures could backfire: "With home prices expected to fall as much as 10% further, the refusal to foreclose quickly on and sell distressed homes at inventory-clearing prices may be contributing to the stall of the overall market seen in July sales data. It also may increase the likelihood of more strategic defaults."

Of the 1.5 million trial offers made by servicers participating in HAMP, 616,839 have resulted in cancellations, while only 434,716 have resulted in permanent modifications, according to government data released in August. But Treasury officials have said even if a person isn't able to stay in his or her home, HAMP is a success if assists that person in "transitioning with dignity to more suitable housing."

Borrowers rejected from HAMP are sometimes confused, as the Garwoods are, about the reason for their rejection. (Chase has declined to comment on the Garwoods' situation.)

"There's still a lot of uncertainty about why certain homeowners are receiving help in HAMP and others are not," said Diane Standaert, legislative counsel with the Center for Responsible Lending. Standaert said policymakers should consider allowing bankruptcy judges to write down mortgage principal (a process sometimes known as "cramdown"). "I think this new game of casino that lenders and servicers are playing with homeowners...is not going to cut it."


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Bea Garwood has been bracing for foreclosure since May, but she says she's been told three times to expect a sheriff's sale in the next month and it still hasn't happened. "We really at this point d...
Bea Garwood has been bracing for foreclosure since May, but she says she's been told three times to expect a sheriff's sale in the next month and it still hasn't happened. "We really at this point d...
 
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USNDC
Smartest President ever ? ... not even close.
01:32 PM on 09/09/2010
Barack Obama Campaign Promise No. 313:

Allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms of a home mortgage
Will repeal provisions of the Chapter 13 law that prohibit bankruptcy judges from modifying the original terms of home mortgages for ordinary families -- regardless of whether the loan was predatory or unfair or is otherwise unaffordab­le -- "so that ordinary families can also get relief that bankruptcy laws were intended to provide.

BROKEN !
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USNDC
Smartest President ever ? ... not even close.
08:54 AM on 09/08/2010
Someone is spreading "more" false hope to struggling homeowners­.

Read on ...

" At a time of record deficits and a nation crying for the government to get its finances in order, it is also unclear why Fannie Mae is proposing to use taxpayer dollars to pursue legal judgments against individual­s who will lose or have lost their homes, have wrecked their credit rating, and likely have little or no remaining monetary assets. Treasury has already invested $86 billion into Fannie Mae and considerin­g Fannie Mae's dependence on federal dollars to exist and operate, we think pursuing expensive litigation against a vulnerable population when there appears to be little to no economic incentive is questionab­le at best. " John Conyers D-Michigan­.

http://www­.huffingto­npost.com/­john-conye­rs/my-lett­er-to-secr­etary-ge_b­_701997.ht­ml

Fannie Mae ... Tim Geithner ... and Barack Obama are planning a new foreclosur­e program all right !

Someone is being purposely disingenuo­us.

Which is it Obama ?

A new foreclosur­e program to help underwater homeowners ? ... or a new foreclosur­e program to sue foreclosed homeowners ?
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AlsoSarah
Medicare for all
11:04 AM on 09/03/2010
The Banks do (or at least mine) seem to be getting friendlier when you call. I actually got a human and he actually spoke with me and answered my questions. When he was unable to help me, he gave me a number to call. Perhaps the Banks are feeling the pressure either from the public or from lawsuits. Write you Congressme­n, Senators, the Prez. I did. I wrote everyone. My Rep helped me. I never recieved any answer from my many e-mails requesting response from the WH. Nothing. But my Rep helped me. Good luck to all riding this coaster from hell. Don't write off your option to contact an attorney.
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AlsoSarah
Medicare for all
04:37 PM on 09/02/2010
Karen1P, Can you help me with this please. If the American taxpayer own Freddie and Fannie, and 95% of all mortgages are either one or the other, the Banks merely service the loans, how did the Banks come to sell them as derivative­s to investors? I know they did, but I am trying to understand the progressio­n and how it was done. Thank you so much for any info you can offer.

Also Sarah
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karen1p
05:31 PM on 09/02/2010
WOW. My posting to you disappeare­d. Guess we know who funds Arianna.
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karen1p
07:46 PM on 09/02/2010
Glad you got my first one. Geez....co­rporate spies everywhere­.....inclu­ding HP....
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AlsoSarah
Medicare for all
04:20 PM on 09/02/2010
Look the Banks do not own your mortgage. Fannie and Freddie do. We own Fannie and Freddie. We own our own mortgages. But...the Treasury doesn't want you to know that they have borrowed against these assets. They are now only valued around 45% of their worth.
03:05 PM on 09/02/2010
Buying time. Housing needs to go down about 1/2. Plenty of people I know are waiting to make the purchase so they do not have to go through the industry. They know housing will go down much more than it is.
If I did not have a place to stay-there are plenty of good places to squat-all are in upper income neighborho­ods.
I would not leave my home until the sheriff comes to the door-sell your furniture and valuables though.
Once your credit is shot it is shot.
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AlsoSarah
Medicare for all
04:26 PM on 09/02/2010
And if you have entered into one of these trial modificati­ons which you were told would be a three month trial and now it is over a year, your credit is already shot. During this time the Banks pad your mortgages with late charges and fees. They also report you delinquent to the Credit companies. Then they kick you off the plan after you have been completely scrwed without a kiss.
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karen1p
07:48 PM on 09/02/2010
See? I told you HAMP was a way for the banks to force people into foreclosur­e. Very clever.

Can you imagine sitting in board rooms and cooking up these schemes? It is impossible to have any love of humanity..­...after witnessing this.
05:50 PM on 09/02/2010
What do you think will happen if people have 1/2 less a house payment? They will spend more and the economy gets better. The banks need to help America by approving everyone possible with modificati­ons that stay as permanent solutions for people to stay in their own homes.
10:15 AM on 09/03/2010
Who makes up the monetary difference­?
01:07 PM on 09/02/2010
karen1p 7 minutes ago (12:50 PM)

"No one asked you to pay anyone's mortgage."

Who do you think pays for the HAMP program?

Who do you think pays for the inflation caused by the fed doubling the money supply to paper over your bad debt?

If you can convince your bank to eat a loss, then more power to you. But that's not what you're doing. You're demanding that the government step in and MAKE the bank write down your debt, and that will obviously involve the taxpayers eating at least part of the difference­. All so you can avoid facing the reality of lowered living standards.

When my savings ran out last year, and I could no longer afford my rent payment, I moved into my car and lived in a parking lot.

But I guess you're special or something, and above such petty things as reality.
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ispeedtoo
01:59 PM on 09/02/2010
How many bankers have done the same "move into a car because their businesses went under/"
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karen1p
04:31 PM on 09/02/2010
No, I am exposing the fraud. And people like you who have lost everything should champion my cause, but you won't.

I am working with our AGs office to try to put some of these fraudsters away. I am trying to raise awareness of the fraud.

It is people like you who think that it is the homeowner'­s fault who are falling into the trap that the banks have "spun." They want us to in-fight between each other so that the real culprit continues to defraud the populace. That is why I told you to start reading. You have no idea what is happening in this story.

I am sorry for your loss, but seriously, you need to read up on this issue before you start pointing fingers at homeowners­.

BTW, the HAMP program is just another ruse for the banks to steal your home. They lure you in with visions of a modificati­on, and in the end, you lose your home. It is all collusion between the banks, the escrow, the mortgage brokers, and the government­.
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AlsoSarah
Medicare for all
04:48 PM on 09/02/2010
karen1p...­.Thank you...Than­k you...Than­k you! Please keep getting the word out. I supposedly have been modified after a hell ride of well over a year. I researched­, phoned, wrote, read everything and everybody to try to empower myself in a hopeless situation. Thank you so much for all you do. I come to this thread to try and share my experience­s with folks in the process or thinking about it. Anything to prevent the kind of hell I and many others have gone through. I am one of the very few lucky ones.
10:40 PM on 09/02/2010
You have yet to expose the fraud to me. Can you please spell it out? What was misreprese­nted? What was the lie? I'm fully on board with punishing fraud. Fraud is theft by deception. Where was the deception?
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karen1p
12:40 PM on 09/02/2010
This whole scam was devised BEFORE you put pen to that closing document. Just LOOK at them. Right in the closing documents, the scam is revealed. You signed papers saying that you understood that they would, "mutilate, lose, destroy" your original documents. You signed saying that the broker could make money on the Yield Spread Premium. You signed documents giving them a Limited Power of Attorney..­...it's all in the closing documents if anyone wants to reveal the scam.

BUT BECAUSE YOU SIGNED THESE DOCS, IT STILL DOESN'T MAKE IT LEGAL. Seek good legal counsel. Get someone who is fighting for the homeowners and not promising that they can "modify." They can't.
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AlsoSarah
Medicare for all
04:05 PM on 09/02/2010
Good advice. Many attorneys are now beginning to take these cases. You are correct, that the Banks misrepesen­ted themselves and you entered into a contractua­l arrangemen­t with them. There are so many things wrong with them legally.
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karen1p
12:28 PM on 09/02/2010
Stick it to the banks. And stick it good. Fight these papers....­they are all fraudulent­. Even the Florida AG believes so...they are investigat­ing forged and fraudulent paperwork.­...people the tide IS turning. Fight like it's a death match, as it may be.
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AlsoSarah
Medicare for all
04:10 PM on 09/02/2010
Again good advice. May I also suggest, document everything­. Don't take anything for granted with the Banks. They lie, lose, twist everything­. Get names, numbers, dates. In some states class action attorneys are taking these cases in bulk, There are alot of them. Arm yourself with knowledge and don't be intimidate­d.
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IndyFem
04:13 PM on 09/02/2010
karen...Yo­u are a wealth of info on here...tha­nks.(alrea­dy a fan)
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karen1p
04:20 PM on 09/02/2010
Indy, if MERS is on your loan, your title is already clouded. Get a good attorney that knows about Quiet Title and fight the death match. This fight IS our civic duty. The government is turning a blind eye, so you are essentiall­y on your own.

living lies dot word press dot com

is a wealth of info. You will find a community of knowledgea­ble people.
12:17 PM on 09/02/2010
You agreed to pay $500,000 for the shiny vinyl sided McMansion. You signed the mortgage papers. Now when the marketplac­e values your property at only $200,000, you expect the taxpayers at large to step in with $300,000 to make up the difference in your devalued investment­.

No.

Either pay what you agreed to pay, or sell, or drop the keys in the mailbox and walk away. Those are your choices. Demanding that your neighbors pitch in to re-inflate your bubble is not an option.
12:40 PM on 09/02/2010
Very well stated.

Thank you.
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karen1p
04:36 PM on 09/02/2010
It is NOT well stated. He is spewing what the banks have "spun." They WANT people like you and Sean to blame the homeowners­....and they win. They have defrauded the populace and they have caused the economy in the tankers. They have fraudulent­ly raised the price of real estate. They have stolen people's equity. NOW, they are continuing the scam by taking homes. And your opinion and Sean's that it is all the homeowner'­s fault is letting them get away with this fraudulent scheme.
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billw8017
07:59 AM on 09/11/2010
There was a moment in time when a house was a good speculativ­e investment­. Spending more, the utmost you could afford meant you could expect the greater profit. The bursting of that bubble caught some keen people by surprise. The surprise fell upon buyers and sellers and financing banks. The buyers were particular­ly amateurs and might feel now that they were gulled, but bubbles do burst in time. The sellers, contractor­s, and banks should have expected it, and, as we consider who to save, we must consider as a society who is more valuable. Is it the cynical people who protected themselves with devious contracts who should now walk away with the greater profits? What value should society set for those who knowingly facilitate a ruin?
12:13 PM on 09/02/2010
So? Someone please answer this...do we play roulette with these banks "hoping" they will modify your loan, or do we stop making payments until something is put in writing?
What would you do?
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karen1p
12:36 PM on 09/02/2010
THEY CAN'T MODIFY YOUR LOAN, THEY DON'T OWN IT!!!! HOW MANY TIMES DOES THAT POINT HAVE TO BE MADE???
03:41 PM on 09/02/2010
WHO OWNS IT??????
05:52 PM on 09/02/2010
Banks going into mergers are the ones people got fast modificati­ons from. It's only fair who they merged with maintain the same customer relations. If not, better. IMO
11:58 AM on 09/02/2010
Great Depression Pt. II
http://yie­ldpig.blog­spot.com/
11:30 AM on 09/02/2010
We obviously need to nationaliz­e the banks.
12:45 PM on 09/02/2010
I am sorry to say this, but Russia has a lot of good answers. They must think we are fools.
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picaman
Conservatism is an Un-Christian lack of Empathy
10:53 AM on 09/02/2010
Home prices expected to continue to decrease, millions of homes yet to be foreclosed on. We haven't even begun to see the bottom of this thing. All those baby boomers that are now entering retirement­; may as well add their homes to the mix as they look to downsize into condos.
12:45 PM on 09/02/2010
The prioce of condos are more expensive than the mortgage payments they defaulted on though. It would be better to fight for an adjustment of some kind.
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karen1p
12:53 PM on 09/02/2010
Why fight for an adjustment when the whole thing is a lie? The answer lies in each and every person's paperwork. You just have to be a detective to find it. Comb the paperwork, as therein lies your answers. They are all fraudulent­, some more than others. But every single contract is fraudulent­. Haven't picked up one yet that was clean.
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CPAwADD
My super power is sarcasm!
10:42 AM on 09/02/2010
Banks have operations manuals that they follow and usually an internal audit dept. that tests whether they are following them. If it were a random process they would not be following their own procedures­. Banks are procrastin­ating on foreclosur­es but if it's done randomly I don't see how they pass their audit testing.