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Do Divergent Kentucky Polls Suggest A Pattern?

First Posted: 09/09/10 10:25 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:35 PM ET

Paul Conway

Two new polls released yesterday on the Kentucky Senate race by CNN/Time and Rasmussen Reports help illustrate two intriguing patterns we are watching this year: Bigger than usual differences between polls sampling only registered voters rather than likely voters and consistent gaps between polls that use live interviewers versus automated methods.

The new CNN/Time polls released for Kentucky, Florida and California yesterday reported results for all self-described registered voters, while other recent polls have started to narrow their samples to those most likely to vote in this year's midterm elections. The split represents a divergence in philosophy among pollsters: Some have less faith in the ability of polls to identify the likely electorate before October, while others apply simple likely voter "screens" a year or more before the election.

This year, national results reported by the Pew Research Center and Gallup have shown bigger than usual gaps between Republicans and Democrats on enthusiasm and, especially, interest paid to the campaign (many pollsters use the latter measure as part of an index used to select likely voters). Moreover, two new national polls this week by ABC News/Washington Post and the NBC/Wall Street Journal showed Republicans running much better among likely voters on the generic U.S. House ballot.

The "likely voters" identified by pollsters are typically a few points more Republican, as turnout is typically higher among Republican-leaning demographic groups -- those who are older, better educated and white. But, again, this year's gap -- at least in early national surveys -- appears to bigger than usual.

We are also seeing another pattern emerge that is mostly unique to 2010: In several states, pollsters using automated methods, particularly Rasmussen Reports, SurveyUSA and Public Policy Polling (PPP), are reporting results consistently more favorable to Republican candidates than those using live interviewers.

Until recently, the two differences were confounding and hard to disentangle, as the automated polls were usually the only ones that also screened for likely voters. But as more pollsters are now shifting to likely voter screens, we are beginning to see the differences that are more clearly about the survey "mode."

The Kentucky Senate race is a prime example. Yesterday's CNN/Time live interviewer survey of registered voters shows a dead-heat tie (46% to 46%) between Republican Rand Paul and Democrat Jack Conway. Yet surveys of likely voters conducted in August by Rasmussen and SurveyUSA have shown Paul leading by larger margins (roughly 10 points on average), with the surveys of likely voters conducted with live interviewers by CN2 Politics/Braun Research and Reuters/IPSOS fall somewhere in between (Paul leading by 5 point on average).

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We do not see these patterns everywhere. For example, CNN and Time also released new surveys yesterday on the races for Senate and Governor in California and Florida which were generally more consistent with other recent surveys that used automated methods or likely voter screens.

But we are seeing the Kentucky pattern elsewhere and will certainly have more to say about it over the next nine weeks. Today, however, we offer this advice: Remember New Jersey.

Another highlight from yesterday's polls:

Although CNN/Time survey on the Florida Senate race shows Democrat Kendrick Meek running a distant third, his 24% of the vote is the most he has received since Charlie Crist announced his intention to run as an independent.

Yes, the registered voter screen used for the survey may produce a slightly more Democratic sample, but the results among Democrats explain much of the difference: Meek leads Crist in that subgroup on the CNN/Time poll (54% to 36%). When I averaged Meeks's standing among Democrats in polls conducted before the August primary, Crist actually ran slightly ahead among Democrats (43% to 37%).

Coming up tomorrow morning: A look at the races for governor.

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07:27 AM on 09/12/2010
I think Rasmussen will be an outlier poll this time; their house effect seems to give Republicans a 5% plus advantage across the board, over other pollsters' results.

None of the live polls is getting anything close to the Republican advantage that the Rasmussen auto-polls show. Also, they seem to be skewing the totals for all of the people who use aggregates of several polls. If a race has 12 Rasmussen polls and 2 from other pollsters, it's really messing up the average.
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03:16 PM on 09/10/2010
The pundits are feeding the newscycle and the media is repeating the meme: Democrats are disparaged, disillusioned and won't turn out in great numbers this November.
They are hoping that actual Democratic voters will see that over and over and over and over and decide to stay home on Election Day, thus proving both the method and the result.
Seeing these poll numbers being wildly across the board shows that polls don't mean anything.
If Democrats believe the hype, the headlines which have been written months ago will be true. If Democrats do what they know to be the right thing: get up, get out and vote, then headlines will be re-written.
In my lifetime, only in the year-after-9/11 2002 elections did the party of the President not lose big. Democrats are sure to lose some but the tidal wave will only happen if we listen to what they want us to hear.
Think for yourself. Vote! Vote! Vote!
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Truth In Voting
Paranoid Rightwing Catchphrase Bingo!!
02:33 PM on 09/10/2010
Therein lies the problem with polling accuracy: "self-described" registered voters and likely voters.

How many people who sympathize with Teabagistan, or have no problem with intellectual dishonesty by pretending the surplus-turned-trillion-dollar-deficit (definitely pushed into the red by the two $3 trillion dollar extrajudicial wars) is Obama's fault, would likely have no problem lying about being a registered or likely voter? Especially if they know it'd discourage Dem voters or swing popular opinion before anyone really knows the candidates.

We've even seen Republicans slamming Obama for the two wars! How one could logically perform this feat of logical hide-and-seek by blaming him for two wars that were started 3 years before he even entered Congress is flat out dishonest.


Every county (or district, depending on the individual state regulations) has lists of actual registered voters in each voting precinct, and these are accessible at-large. And this was before I worked in government back when I (please don't let this lower your opinion of me) worked for the GOP. On election day, I crossed people's names off as they came through to vote and by 5pm, we'd start calling the people still left on the list to tell them they only had a couple hours left, or offer them rides, etc. While there's HUGE privacy implications with polling firms having free access to these lists complete with everybody's names and numbers, there must be some solution we can come up with that's better.
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cave mann35
Like Obama NOW??
01:59 PM on 09/10/2010
According to Gov. Tim Kaine, this is the same pattern as 2008. Republicans can get their message out better and faster, and Democrats need to get a slogan or two instead of blaming everything on obstructionism. I really don't think when it comes down to it, Kentuckians want a guy like Dr. Rand Paul, who wants to change the constitution to help out his business buddies in office. Only the Fox Nation will really turn out and vote to for the same politics and policies that got us into a recession.
01:49 PM on 09/10/2010
So are they saying the voters are bipolar or you can make a poll say anything you want it to?
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DrBlunt
Telling it like it is....
04:35 AM on 09/11/2010
Yup! And many voters are "Tripolar" as well!
01:46 PM on 09/10/2010
TODAY’S REPUBLICANISM.....IS THE VICTORY OF THE "ID" OVER THE "SUPER EGO"

Today's Republicans don't believe that intelligence, logic, compassion or an appreciation or acknowledgment of historical facts or legal precedents are relevant or worthy of consideration.

Driving jobs out of America and Americans out of their homes is "just business" to them; nothing "personal".

Corporations should be given the same first amendment free speech rights as individual citizens so they can "buy" political candidates and elections, despite the fact that works against the best interests of working class Americans and further diminishes their political relevance/influence.

Pollution, global warming and deforestation are all improvable "myths" of egg-head/tree-hugger scientists who are “socialist” enemies of “over-regulated” capitalism. The earth, which right wing evangelical extremists claim is only 6,000 years old, will miraculously heal itself! All we have to do is “pray”.

For today's mercenary self-focused deviant breed of dysfunctional near-sighted Republicans, it's not about right or wrong, good or bad, fair or unfair, rational or irrational.....it's about power and control, even if that means intellectual, moral, psychological and functional delusion, denial and dishonesty. They want what they want for no other reason than they WANT it……regardless of the consequences to themselves and everyone else! Somehow, that makes "them" feel good about themselves…..makes them feel safe?
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Ed C Atlanta
Justice for all,,It's an Entitlement
12:20 PM on 09/10/2010
repubs on this site keep putting much of their belief into these same polls,but the only numbers that really count, will be the ones at the voting booths,,And soon as early voting starts here in Georgia, I will be casting my vote of hope again to defeat the rethugligan agenda, that is the real agenda that needs to be defeated..

Who's with me ?
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Redlion62
Wondering why so many believe so much nonsense
11:27 AM on 09/10/2010
I'm sick of hearing about polls. Polls have been shown to not be so accurate for 50 years. The people making the polls nowadays frame their questions in a way that creates the results they want to see. Most pollsters work for the media in one way or another. The media are large corporations that want the deregulated atmosphere they worked so hard to achieve the last 40 years to stay that way. Pollsters don't really sample randomly, with todays electronic information communications they are easily able to pick and choose their polling subjects. People are fools to believe what polls are telling them. The latest polls show Dems going down in defeat in November. They say this in an attempt to keep disenchanted Dem voters away; it's worked in the past. Think 1996. There is no truly non-partisan polling organization; they all have an agenda they are trying to push one way or another. The only real poll is the voting booth; I've had my doubts about the honesty and integrity of that the last 10 years.
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vesaversa1
Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed.
09:57 AM on 09/10/2010
The pollster's, pundits and media personalities will once again be proven wrong about the turnout of the up coming mid term election . These peoples haven't taken into account the unlikely voters turn out ,these are the American workers who have been unemployed for months now . So i don't see them sitting out this election there is just to much at stake .

Last week, beltway insiders were shrieking about the Gallup poll's generic ballot being at -10 for Democrats.

Now, the Gallup poll's generic ballot is tied:

55 days until the election
The momentum is picking up for the Democrats .

Republicans and beltway pundits may want to hold off on calling the race for the House before voters cast their ballots. One thing is for sure -- we have proven the pundits wrong before and we will do it again this November.
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Brian Ross
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12:02 PM on 09/10/2010
That's why I started Get2toTuesday on Facebook. No donations. Just promise to get to the polls, and get two of your friends to do the same, and get two of their friends to promise to do the same:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=149470305083258
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vesaversa1
Stupid is forever, ignorance can be fixed.
06:12 PM on 09/12/2010
That is a Great idea , i am knocking on every door in my neighborhood calling on friends and family in getting out the vote .
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istvan13
The world needs more thinkers.
08:23 AM on 09/10/2010
Another thing to keep in mind regarding polls, they are a point in time measure, not always a predictor of the future. One should keep in mind that most of the polls we hear about are national polls. The elections will be local, district related. The people that seem to give the most time and belief in polls are the pundits.
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Brian Ross
Managing Editor of Truth-2-Power.com
12:03 PM on 09/10/2010
McCain was up 2% over Obama by this time in 2008. We saw what happened there. But we need to turn out!
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antiFA and proud of it
01:49 PM on 09/10/2010
Well said, legitimate polls are a metric at a point in time, but polls are used to influence people's behavior...
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michiganguy586
republicans will ruin the american dream
08:15 AM on 09/10/2010
as turnout is typically higher among Republican-leaning demographic groups -- those who are older, better educated and white.

well it seems to me that is partly right, however, i think a majority of rethugs, are not educated and poor white people easily manipulated by the fact they are uneducated and litterally believe in fair tales such as religion.
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Margo Arrowsmith
Elizabeth Warren in 2016!
07:25 AM on 09/10/2010
The message here is that everyone should take the day off from work on election day and work to get the vote out.  AND help operate the phones in the days preceding. 

This isn't over, but we have to get the vote out.
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Bostontru2u
Keep on Moving...The Left Way.
04:13 AM on 09/10/2010
Still waiting,HP.
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Bostontru2u
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04:04 AM on 09/10/2010
I'm the only pending comment on this board. No cursing. Just questions. What's up, HP?
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Bostontru2u
Keep on Moving...The Left Way.
03:50 AM on 09/10/2010
Come on HP. I'm talking to Christopher Huber. 1:43 am.