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GOP Senate Candidate Pat Toomey: No On Hate Crimes Legislation (VIDEO)


First Posted: 09/10/10 11:51 AM ET Updated: 05/25/11 06:35 PM ET

The issue of hate crimes legislation is the latest debate in the U.S. Senate election in Pennsylvania, with Republican Pat Toomey reiterating his 2004 position against such measures to a local news station this week.

"I think it's a bad idea for government to legislate on the basis of what they think people are thinking, what's in a person's mind or heart when they create a crime," Toomey told KDKA in Pennsylvania on Thursday. "Crime should be prosecuted for what's actually done, and it should be vigorously prosecuted... We shouldn't have a system that is designed to say now, what was so and so thinking at the time he committed his crime and let's punish him more or less depending of what we think the thought process was. That's ridiculous. People should be punished for the crime they commit."

How to prosecute hate crimes was also an issue in 2004, when Toomey ran in the GOP Senate primary against Arlen Specter. At the time, conservative judge Robert Bork endorsed Toomey in Pittsburgh and called hate crime measures "a discriminatory law enforcement device." Toomey agreed, stating, "This is an attempt to criminalize thought. It's an attempt to criminalize and add a dimension of punishment."

WATCH KDKA'S REPORT:

Toomey's position is in line with many other conservative lawmakers. On Oct. 28, 2009, President Obama signed the Matthew Shepard Act into law, which expanded federal hate crimes legislation to include crimes committed because of a victim's actual or perceived gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability. Thirty-five senators -- all Republican -- voted against the bill. In the House, 158 Republicans and 17 Democrats cast "no" votes. "I feel that this hate crime legislation could be considered the very definition of tyranny," said Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) in April 2009.

It's important to note that hate crimes legislation doesn't actually go after people's "thought process"; it goes after violent crimes. The Matthew Shepard Act explicitly states that "evidence of expression or associations of the defendant may not be introduced as substantive evidence at trial, unless the evidence specifically relates to that offense."

Toomey's opponent, Rep. Joe Sestak (D-Pa.), says he is a strong supporter of hate crimes legislation. "Those are so extremely offensive that that's why you've seen time and again Republicans and Democrats to say no," he told KDKA. "We want to make sure that type of specific, focused almost hatred -- and that's what it is -- is seen as even more offensive."

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The issue of hate crimes legislation is the latest debate in the U.S. Senate election in Pennsylvania, with Republican Pat Toomey reiterating his 2004 position against such measures to a local news st...
The issue of hate crimes legislation is the latest debate in the U.S. Senate election in Pennsylvania, with Republican Pat Toomey reiterating his 2004 position against such measures to a local news st...
 
 
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12:54 PM on 09/15/2010
Toomey is a pro business shill. For the uninformed I'll translate his stances. Toomey is against tyranny, what is tyranny to Toomey? A useless issue that deflects attention away from legislation favorable to business and unfavorable to the average working stiff in the US. He is for freedom. What is freedom to Toomey? Freedom to do whatever you want if you are a businessman or owner of capital, such as, dump chemicals in the ground or waterways, or create products that make people sick unless you can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt (not preponderance of the evidence as is the standard in civil court) by then the perpetrators will be gone or have sheltered the proceeds from such activities from the grasp of the victims. He is against unions, that way we can all know what it's like to fend for yourself in a market slanted in favor of Business owners, which means lower wages and lousy benefits. He wants to privatize social security so his cronies on Wall Street have a pool of money to try to fleece you out of and of course it will be your fault that you are not a genius in finance so you'll be SOL when a Bernie Madoff steals your cash. So if you like poverty and business getting away with anything up to wrongful death, and lower fed income taxes but higher state/local taxes (think more toll roads) and inflated prices for everything else, he's your man.
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gregstevens
I'm just some guy.
01:12 PM on 09/13/2010
"This is an attempt to criminalize thought. It's an attempt to criminalize and add a dimension of punishment."

Let's lay it all out on the table, and take a straight up-and-down vote on the general case for including intent as a dimension of punishment for a crime.

If you say "nay" to including intent as a dimension of punishment, then you are saying that involuntary manslaughter, murder in self-defense, and planned revenge-killing are all EXACTLY identical.

I would like to see how many people -- conservative or otherwise -- would be willing to publically take such a position.
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jeremyfive
12:24 PM on 09/13/2010
This makes me want to commit a hate crime against Pat Toomey.

But then, it would not be a "hate crime" officially. I just hate Pat Toomey the bigot.
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jsgaetano
Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus
12:00 PM on 09/13/2010
Conservatives sure do love hate crimes.
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WOODSTOCKER51
HAVE A NICE DAY!
08:13 AM on 09/13/2010
........MORE FROM THE PARTY OF "NO" AND "HATE".........UNREAL......
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BoyInBOYCOTT
02:10 AM on 09/13/2010
Tennessee lesbian couple burned out of home in suspected hate crime needs help (+) by: Pam Spaulding
  http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/17310/tennessee-lesbian-couple-burned-out-of-home-in-suspected-hate-crime-needs-help
Vonore, TN is reeling from what is being investigated as a hate crime against Carol and Laura Stutte, whose home was destroyed in a fire this week. The garage had "QUEERS" spray painted on it. The couple had been routinely harassed by a homophobic neighbor. (WATE):
There are organizations and list of immediate donations this couple could use, at link.
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medic628
10:58 PM on 09/12/2010
The modern day Dixiecrats are the people who are against this legislation. They just have different labels and no robes.
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FantasticFourFan
Fred Phelps represents all gay marriage opponents
10:19 PM on 09/12/2010
Of course if republicans hadn't encouraged persecution of gays in the first place, the Matthew Sheppard act might not have been proposed in the first place. Once again cons are whining about a problem they created.
03:10 AM on 09/13/2010
So people's motivations to commit hate crimes are the Republican party's fault? Are you kidding me?
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WOODSTOCKER51
HAVE A NICE DAY!
08:15 AM on 09/13/2010
ASK ANY GAY PERSON IN VIRGINIA.....THEY CANT PASS ENOUGH LAWS AGAINST GAY PEOPLE!...ALL DONE IN THE NAME OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY!!... AS WELL!
09:20 AM on 09/13/2010
Actually, when Ricky Birdsong was murdered, the head of the World Church of the Creator, Matthew Hale, was in fact brought up as part of the incitement for the crime.

This is similar to the "hostile work environment" in sexual harassment cases. If a company allows an environment where mistreatment of workers by co-workers is commonplace, then the company is to blame.

How would this be different from the Republicans who continue to peddle hate against GLBT Americans? The Republicans are creating a hostile life environment wherever possible toward a small suspect minority. So, yeah. I'm okay saying that the Republicans are to blame.

Of course, so is the Fierce Avocado, may he only serve one term.
09:23 PM on 09/12/2010
Oh, how those Republicans love to hate!

They even hate hating!

Wait! They hate what they love hating?

No! No! They hate what they love!

No! Wait! They just hate, period! That's why they hate governing hatred's excesses, i. e., hate crimes.

They want to protect crimes inspired by hatred, because hatred fuels their politics.
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JudeLaure
10:27 PM on 09/12/2010
Preach Walter!
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WOODSTOCKER51
HAVE A NICE DAY!
08:15 AM on 09/13/2010
Oh, how those Republicans love to hate!"

."THEIR GOD" IS ON THEIR SIDE..DIDNT YOU KNOW?
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rugby john
09:05 PM on 09/12/2010
What a ridiculous position Toomey is making...it is not about someone's thinking...it is about acts of hate that is evidential...no mind-reading necessary
09:23 PM on 09/12/2010
Shall we dub him Looney Toomey?
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hershobr
07:48 AM on 09/13/2010
How long you been waiting to bust that one out?
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BoyInBOYCOTT
09:01 PM on 09/12/2010
If Tea Klanners imagine repealing Hate Cimes will win them ANY election...they are seriously MISTAKEN.
MOST progressive states had their own Hate Crimes Laws before the National Hate Crimes Law went into effect. HATE CRIMES LAWS won't EVER be recinded.
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hershobr
07:49 AM on 09/13/2010
That's many Conservatives point though, that it should be up to the states, not the federal government.
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BoyInBOYCOTT
12:56 PM on 09/13/2010
Cuz Civil Rights worked out SO well left to the States...JESUS, have you never read History?
Jim Crowe law ring a bell?
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grn1
10:38 AM on 09/13/2010
just the groups that use them as defense will
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BoyInBOYCOTT
01:00 PM on 09/13/2010
You OBVIOUSLY know NOTHING about Hate Crimes Laws.....when you can't use racial hatred for an act of violence...that's against ALL RACES. Last time I looked everyone had a race, and everyone had a sex, and everyone had a sexual orientation....if you slur a person with ANY of those characteristics as you commit an attack...it's a HATE CRIME.
NO GROUP of people are treated seperately.
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onegandolf1
08:34 PM on 09/12/2010
I plan on working for Sestek. Having said that I think this issue is a Political Turkey for him (especially here in the North West). We have an aversion to someone who steps on our freedom of expression. It may be uncuth ( and normally I would never be caught dead doing it), but 'ya know what, I can't control someone whose feelings are easily damaged.

Get over it.
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prodemlib
Nanny, nanny, boo, boo! :-P
05:42 PM on 09/12/2010
because "HATE" is a GOP platform
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OliverTwist
Contrarian advocate for truth and justice
05:23 PM on 09/12/2010
The Republican party has been busy fanning the flames of hate - so it is no surprise that they oppose tougher penalties for hate crimes.
05:12 PM on 09/12/2010
is anyone actually FOR hate crimes? if so, is this a popular and winning strategy?
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OliverTwist
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05:24 PM on 09/12/2010
No one is explicitly for hate crimes but the Republican party is seeking to use hate to rally support and intimidate (terrorize) opposition.
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Ronald Sloan
07:42 PM on 09/12/2010
IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING.