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French Senate Passes Full Islamic Veils Ban

ELAINE GANLEY   09/14/10 10:24 PM ET   AP

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France's Kenza Drider , wearing a niqab, drives a car in Avignon, southern France, Monday, Sept. 13, 2010.

PARIS — The French Senate on Tuesday overwhelmingly passed a bill banning the burqa-style Islamic veil on public streets and other places, a measure that affects less than 2,000 women but that has been widely seen as a symbolic defense of French values.

The Senate voted 246 to 1 in favor of the bill in a final step toward making the ban a law – though it now must pass muster with France's constitutional watchdog. The bill was overwhelmingly passed in July in the lower house, the National Assembly.

Many Muslims believe the legislation is one more blow to France's No. 2 religion, and risks raising the level of Islamophobia in a country where mosques, like synagogues, are sporadic targets of hate. However, the law's many proponents say it will preserve the nation's values, including its secular foundations and a notion of fraternity that is contrary to those who hide their faces.

In an attempt to head off any legal challenges over arguments it tramples on religious and other freedoms, the leaders of both parliamentary houses said they had asked a special body to ensure it passes constitutional muster. The Constitutional Council has one month to rule.

The bill is worded to trip safely through legal minefields. For instance, the words "women," "Muslim" and "veil" are not even mentioned in any of its seven articles.

"This law was the object of long and complex debates," the Senate president, Gerard Larcher, and National Assembly head Bernard Accoyer said in a joint statement announcing their move. They said they want to be certain there is "no uncertainty" about its conforming to the constitution.

France would be the first European country to pass such a law, though others, notably neighboring Belgium, are considering laws against face-covering veils, seen as conflicting with the local culture.

"Our duty concerning such fundamental principles of our society is to speak with one voice," said Justice Minister Michele Alliot-Marie, opening a less than 5-hour-long debate ahead of the vote.

The measure, carried by President Nicolas Sarkozy's conservative party, was passed by the lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, on July 13.

It would outlaw face-covering veils, including those worn by tourists from the Middle East, on public streets and elsewhere. The bill set fines of euro150 ($185) or citizenship classes for any woman caught covering her face, or both. It also carries stiff penalties for anyone, such as husbands or brothers, convicted of forcing the veil on a woman. The euro30,000 ($38,400) fine and year in prison are doubled if the victim is a minor.

The bill is aimed at ensuring gender equality, women's dignity and security, as well as upholding France's secular values – and its way of life.

Some women, like Kenza Drider, have vowed to wear a full-face veil despite a law. Drider says she prefers to flirt with arrest rather than bow to what she says is an injustice.

"It is a law that is unlawful," said Drider, a mother of four from Avignon, in southern France. "It is ... against individual liberty, freedom of religion, liberty of conscience," she said.

"I will continue to live my life as I always have with my full veil," she told Associated Press Television News.

Drider was the only woman who wears a full-faced veil to be interviewed by a parliamentary panel that spent six months deciding whether to move ahead with legislation.

Muslim leaders concur that Islam does not require a woman to hide her face. However, they have voiced concerns that a law forbidding them to do so would stigmatize the French Muslim population, which at an estimated 5 million is the largest in western Europe. Numerous Muslim women who wear the face-covering veil have said they are being increasingly harassed in the streets.

However, the bill has its Muslim defenders, like a women's rights group active in heavily immigrant neighborhoods.

"How can we allow the burqa here and at the same time fight the Taliban and all the fundamentalist groups across the world?" said the president of NPNS, Sihem Habchi. "I'm Muslim and I can't accept that because I'm a woman I have to disappear," she told APTN.

Raphael Liogier, a sociology professor who heads the Observatory of the Religious in Aix-en-Provence, says that Muslims in France are already targeted by hate-mongers and the ban on face-covering veils "will officialize Islamophobia."

"With the identity crisis that France has today, the scapegoat is the Muslim," he told The Associated Press.

Indeed, the justice minister said that the French "ask about the future of their society, of their nation" as they "see the internationalization of our society."

"The Senate must guarantee the permanence of our values ... which forge our identity," she said.

Ironically, instead of helping some women integrate, the measure may keep them cloistered in their homes to avoid exposing their faces in public.

"I won't go out. I'll send people to shop for me. I'll stay home, very simply," said Oum Al Khyr, who wears a "niqab" that hides all but the eyes.

"I'll spend my time praying," said the single woman "over age 45" who lives in Montreuil on Paris' eastern edge. "I'll exclude myself from society when I wanted to live in it."

The law banning the veil would take effect only after a six-month period designed to convince women to show their faces.

The Interior Ministry estimates the number of women who fully cover themselves at some 1,900, with a quarter of them converts to Islam and two-thirds with French nationality.

The French parliament wasted no time in working to get a ban in place, opening an inquiry shortly after the French president said in June 2009 that full veils that hide the face are "not welcome" in France.

It was unclear, however, how police would enforce the law, from handing out fines to hunting down any men who might force the veil on their wives and daughters.

"I will accept the fine with great pleasure," said Drider, vowing to appeal to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg if she gets caught.

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Associated Press writer Sylvie Corbet in Paris contributed to this report.

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08:56 AM on 11/05/2010
France loves fashion and women. They believe it is logical to force the garments off, but how can they enforce someone to remove their clothing?
05:36 PM on 09/24/2010
We're in no position to judge.

Our own contradictory stance(s) on women's liberation and freedom(s) is schizophrenic at best:
http://www.dailyscoff.com/?p=2552

-jjg
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12:09 PM on 09/17/2010
Next step. Pushing for Europe wide ban on veiling.
It could happen as Europeans gradually shed their  failed multi-culti politicians.
12:05 PM on 09/17/2010
What's interesting about the malaised debate on this thread is that few people are seriously grappling with the defence offered by the French government for this law--namely, the desire to protect French republican values. Security concerns are not a priority. (Besides, if the niqaab is banned because of the security risk it poses in public places, then so too should all face coverings, including ski masks, scarves which cover the entire face, etc.) The fact is that this law directly targets Muslims as a perceived fifth column. France has just expelled the Roma and the government would probably expel all Muslims as well were there not more than five million of them in their midst.

French law already addresses the issue of coercion, penalising anyone who forces a woman to wear a burqa. This leaves a small minority of Muslim women who may choose to wear the niqaab/burqa. Since it doesn't in any way violate the principle of non-harm, there is no good reason for a liberal democracy to ban it. It's just that bloody simple.
03:26 AM on 09/18/2010
"France has just expelled the Roma."
This is preposterous nonsense.  You  make it sound like the entire gypsy population  has been sent out.  There have been about 1,000 of illegal  workers from Romania and  Hungary  sent back home  and with a monetary compensation too. 

"This leaves a small minority of Muslim women who may choose to wear the niqaab/burqa."

Well, this "small minority,"  can choose to immigrate to a country where their religious cult  is welcomed. Or take off the burqa and join french society as liberated members..
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07:50 AM on 09/17/2010
Banning is not the solution, it creates new problems in different ways.
12:05 PM on 09/17/2010
New problems could  include:
Burqa wearers and their famliies moving to other countries.Prepherably to countries which  love the veil-- hopefully outside of Europe.
Some women  may use the excuse to abandon  their Salafist cult and seek to become free Europeans.
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Abdi S
03:44 AM on 09/17/2010
First french government bans burqa then the future they will ban hijab,mosques,Quran and the last they will forbid muslims practicing Islam.
05:19 AM on 09/17/2010
What is wrong with that? Facing the wave of Islam subversion and "peaceful" replacement of European civlization, I find it reasonable to make a harsh defense against this diseased cult from stone age.
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Abdi S
11:09 PM on 09/18/2010
Your very ignorant who have no knowledge about government or humanism, whats your point replying to my comment? Why don't you label yourself the next Hitler? Your against freedom of religion and your refusing to accept other religions exist in this world. The french revolution start the ideas of freedom of religion in Europe. The values of french revolution will disappear if the government won't tolerate Muslims. You do know European Muslims exist and not all Muslims in Europe are foreigners.
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10:21 AM on 09/17/2010
If the French feel that something is against their national values, they have the option to outlaw it. I won't lie, I abhor the idea of people aspiring to follow in Mohammed's footsteps as it is completely out of sync with modern liberal values, even if people actually believe he was some sort of saint in his own time. Organizations which promote values antithetical to those of society should be shunned. In countries where they can be outlawed, even in part, is an option for those countries. After all, if the middle east can pass crazy laws which are biased against modern civilization, why can't modern countries pass laws biased against anachronistic superstition?
10:56 AM on 09/17/2010
Your ignorance is astounding, but you have no shame parading it here.
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Abdi S
11:20 PM on 09/18/2010
The french government should banned all religion including Judaism,Christianity or ect. They should start forcing laws forbidding anybody practicing religions and burn down all place of worship. Is this your vision? Islam is major religion is this world and 1.5 billions follows. The national values of France is delusional, and the real national value of France is freedom of religion therefore the list goes on. If your against freedom of religion then your living in stone age.
08:00 PM on 09/16/2010
why is it so hard to understand that anyone who covers their entire face is creating a security risk for everyone else. we do not know who or what is under there. I don't see this as discrimination blah blah blah................you can't walk down the street with your face covered.......there are too many crazies out there and it is also disrespectful. If you want to cover your face...stay home. It is not about religion because it is not a religious matter. As for people fighting for women's rights.....mind your own business.......what goes on in my home is my business..............when you take it to the streets, the rules change...and it becomes my business.
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07:17 PM on 09/16/2010
I often try to balance things out, to counter unfair comments or articles.

So like many I'm tired of right wing nuts beating up on Arabs or Islam. But
likewise Muslims should stop with the backward ways of Saudi inspired Islam,
a very conservative and not necessarily correct view of those teachings. And
in fact very and irrationally anti-Western or US for the most part.

I read that the Koran even tells it's follower's to adapt to their culture, and
there's nothing in it about this crazy sense of modesty with veils, let alone
from head to toe. So I would hope, for the sake of moderation and getting
along, that more of them would throw off the radical opinons of their worst
leader's, just as we try to fight the wild idea's of right wing preacher's or
priests, or rabbi's.
06:17 PM on 09/16/2010
Who's to decide what is restrictive/oppressive to another? I don't see the French government banning bras.
07:28 PM on 09/16/2010
they should ...
10:39 PM on 09/16/2010
Certainly what one is wearing underneath (or not wearing) is none of anyone's business.
04:21 PM on 09/16/2010
Someone down the way suggested France is "devolving back into the Dark Ages".

My response is as follows:

Uh...wearing the burkha is medieval and is cowardice on behalf of Muslim males who treat their women like chattel.

You can bet if Muslim males had to wear the garbage they force their women to wear the burkha and that other thing would be gone fast.

France is standing firm against misogynistic tyranny that has no basis whatsoever in Islam outside the Muslim males wanting to control their females.

Goes right along with female mutilation of their genitals. Since that's also a regular practice among those folks I would assume you're just peachy with that as well?
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07:48 PM on 09/16/2010
Excellent points!
And we can added the stoning of women accused of infidelity to your last point.
08:31 PM on 09/16/2010
And a very timely and important point you make, given that poor woman in Iran who was sentenced to being stoned (and not in the good way).

F&Fed.
05:25 AM on 09/17/2010
Good point. Support France on making the stand against Islamic subversion and "peaceful" take over!
04:18 PM on 09/16/2010
It was about time.Halloween happens only once a year.
04:10 PM on 09/16/2010
Honestly, I would be for a ban of women wearing them while driving. I had a woman almost hit my car on the highway because she couldn't see. It's dangerous while driving. Also, why a woman would want to wear that is beyond me. It's hot and uncomfortable and in my opinion, somewhat degrading. A head scarf is one thing but head to toe is out of hand.
04:27 PM on 09/16/2010
Indeed.
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07:23 PM on 09/16/2010
I dislike beating up on Islam or Arabs but this is a different matter, especially when driving, going through airports or planes, etc.; Saudi Arabia was becoming more open and reasonable when they got shook up and paranoid about the Iranian revolution in 1980, and decided to not only go become radically conservative but to promote that wacky view around the world with their petro-dollars.

I hope moderate Moslems will aggressively promote a more reasonable view of the world
and stop this paranoid feeling that men are lusting after their women.....the way
I understand it many of the men in Saudi Arabia are half nuts because of this
kind of thinking......and secretly throw very wild parties or imprison imported
women for years, or they "disappear" entirely......get Real !
04:09 PM on 09/16/2010
To France, ...

...I quote Martha Stewart: "It's a good thing."
05:28 AM on 09/17/2010
Amen!
01:51 PM on 09/16/2010
Come on this really isn´t a big deal, certainly shouldn´t be world news. When the US starts less selective immigration with Muslims, only then can Americans complain about European countries taking action against the more fundamentalist elements of Islam. Until then mind what your own country is doing to provoke and oppress Muslims, invading Middle Eastern countries for starters.
12:19 PM on 09/16/2010
NPNS   official statement ( excerpt)
"We took up this ardent cry to say no to the constant and intolerable degradation of the girls of our neighbourhoods.
 We force society to hear so that no one can ever say again: we did not know!

Truly, how can we, in the 21st century, tolerate Sohane or Chahrazad being burned alive by boys in the very heart of their own neighbourhoods?
How can we accept that Ghofrane was stoned to death just outside of Marseille?

What can we say again of the young women who are in, or face, forced marriages, who walk among us every day? We can remember our courage and the powerful lesson of love and hope taught to us by Samira Bellil, who exposed her subjection to gang rape in her poignant book.

For five years we have worked tirelessly, driven by the reality that in France, as well as throughout the world, the status of women is continually debased.

At a time when our societies face internal division, women are the first victims of ethnic and national rifts, as well as of cultural relativism, which has triggered a frightening rise in patriarchal societies and obscurantism.

This is the courageous and difficult struggle for all women’s emancipation which Ni Putes Ni Soumises intends to meet head on, with strength and without compromise.

Feminism is political action which requires community strategies!
Feminism is the pursuit of equality throughout the world!
This is the essence of a new anti-globalization/anti-exploitation feminism based on equality, secularism, and le mixité
http://www.niputesnisoumises.com/english-presentation/
12:51 PM on 09/16/2010
Bravo. Love all of it!
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07:25 PM on 09/16/2010
You usually strongly side with right wing Israel, and I join many in pointing out their repression, but here I can agree with you 100% !
01:29 AM on 09/17/2010
I side with free countries. Israel and France are two of them.  You don't like it? Take it up with your
psychiatrist.